If Pratigya wasn't present

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Posted: 15 years ago
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Lets just take Pratigya out of the scene for a second. Even forget about the fact that Kesar would not have progressed so far along the pregnancy if Pratigya was not there to stop the 5th abortion in the first place. Just imagine that Pratigya was not around when this latest assault was inflicted on Kesar and how Krishna would have handed the situation.

1) He probably would still have been away from the house, goofing around with T&C, completely unaware of the dire activities in his beloved home.

2) Kesar dies from uncontrolled hemorrhaging since no one in the house is willing to call for medical attention.

3) Krishna comes back, exchange some blithe ripostes with SS and goes up to his room for a good night's sleep.

4) Next morning he comes to know of Kesar's death, listens to Amma's and Shakti's glib recounting of the events and watch their copious tears, looks saddened and proceed with the last rites of Kesar. Life goes on..

Does anyone have any doubts that this is exactly how things would have panned out if Pratigya was not present at the scene? Krishna has so far not demonstrated a whiff of compassion or support for Kesar, has not even paid her a visit to check if she is alright and is more preoccupied with the possible fallout of police intervention in such a sensitive issue. So, from the way the story has been depicted, Krishna's overarching worry at the present time is the possible battering of his family's reputation and prestige and Amma's encounter with the police and law ' Kesar and her loss and grief are not issues demanding or critical enough to distract his mind away from these more imperative issues. And, this is not a character aberration.. Krishna has never been shown to be sensitive or empathetic to Kesar's plights. I don't think there is much difference in the importance of Kesar and Piyassia in Krishna's emotional set-up.

There have been a lot of posts suggesting that if Pratigya had taken Krishna into confidence before approaching the Law officials, he would have been more amenable towards meting out punishments to the perpetrators of this heinous crime. I think the way Krishna would have reacted if Pratigya has asked to call the poice on amma and Shakti is - Jo hoi gaya, vo hoyi gaya. Ab police aane se Kesar didi zinda to nahi ho jaayegi. Ab Police aane se hamare kitni badnaami hoi gi, wo tum he nahi dikhti. Aur mujhe abhi bhi viswas nahi hai ki Amma aise kar sakti hai. Samajhdaari se kaam lo aur baat ko andar hi liptai lo.

Many of the forum members cannot relate to Pratigya because of her Joan of Arc stance vis-a-vis every crisis and her insensitive ways of overriding other people's emotions and feelings while dealing with these situations. I am having a hard time relating to the present avatar of Krishna in this situation. Not because he is not offering is unfettered, unquestioning support to Pratigya and her actions and is deeply perturbed by the prospect of his amma being subjected to humiliation and punishment. Call me an idealist but to me the concept of a hero does not entail simply to be irretrievably and immutably entrenched in the love and devotion of your beloved and be oblivious to the wrongs, evils, and misdeeds of the people in your immediate orbit. If Pratigya can be castigated for not having the pragmatism to temper her idealistic streak in dealing with real life crisis, Krishna should similarly be called out for having a laissez faire attitude towards everyone who is not Pratigya and or her maayka members. I would expect the leading man in any work of fiction to have a strong enough moral compass to stand beside the weak and abused and downtrodden, irrespective of the surrounding circumstances and events leading up to that particular circumstance. Show us a Krishna who is struggling to reconcile with the idea of his mom being evil and abusive but at the same time being empathetic towards Kesar's grief and loss at this hour of need. Show that the sensitivity he possesses towards all of Pratigya's troubles and sorrow is not so restricted in scope that it cannot be extended towards a close family member who does not have the voice or backbone to stand up to torture and abuse. And, if the choice is between a an idealist who puts an abused woman as her priority over the mental dilemma of her spouse and a pragmatist who is oblivious to the silent cries of help from a battered woman because he feels that it is a private marital and family issue, then please give me the former. Any day.

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Posted: 15 years ago
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FANTASTIC👏--you hve expressed your pov in such an emphatic way--that much as i lub krishna for wat he is i cant help but agree wid you over this shallow aspect of his--maybe wid time as the real krishna evolves, this change will also cum thru😊
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Posted: 15 years ago
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enjoyed reading d other side of d coin........... 😊

yup .......d way krishna has been brought up he wud hav most probably done wat u said.....
his parents even don't spare him..........plotting and even using his disappearance for political gains.......

pratigya came into his life as love..........d emotion he had never felt before.............compasssion care respect .......all comes with love......and how much ever he said he wud not change for anybody and his amma feeding him her thoughts...........he changed........and still.is..........

krishna pratigya r such a wonderful couple who complete each other.passionate for their beliefs.........even if he opposed his household traditions just for pratigya it was a positive step.............he is d one rock support in her decisions...never giving it a 2nd thought....

d present track is a difficult situation for both of them.......he acknowledges d fact that his family his wrong...........doing smth for kesar's condition will b much appreciated then just d sweet talk..........to just throw aside his own parents wud b difficult for any child.......but yup slowly and steadily he will find a way out...put a rest to his internal conflict....

wanted to add..... in no way i support any type of violence against women...never...be it anyone
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Pratigya is alleged to be selfish and self-absorbed becuse of the way she is tied to her moral moorings that forbids her to consider the feeings of others before she jumps in to do what she believes is right.
By the same token, isn't Krishna also so self -absorbed that he totally ignores Kesar's pain and abuse, Amma's humiliation, Komal's resistance for marriage to Adarsh, Sajjan Singh's reservations about his marriage to Prats. If Pratigya is a flawed character for being oblivious to Krishna's feelings in many situations, Krishna is similary flawed in being mulishly single-minded in his pursuit of Prats and riding roughshod over others pain, anger and problems. Marriage does not mean that you ive in a glass bubble, totally shielded from being affected by the desires and emotions of anyone who is not your wife.
I think Pearl Grey did a commendabe job in creating two flawed but lovable characters, although the lovability quotient of Pratigya is lost on many.
Edited by Relda - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Relda, that is an EXCELLENT post, 👏👏 and much needed given the Pratigya bashing that goes on in this forum. Shocking that such condemnation is not even meted out to the villains of the show! 😲😲

Yes, you have once again placed the focus where it should be - Krishna's reaction.
Krishna has known Kesar since he was what 17-18 years old? She has been very nice to him, and in turn he has been kind to her - talks to her sweetly, holds her in some affection - he has been nicer to her than anyone in his family.

Even Krishna, however, has never made an attempt to protect Kesar. He told Pratigya once that his father's beatings were the equivalent of HER father saying to his wife "Nainaji, chup rahiye" - it's the same thing, he told her, it just goes on, don't bother. Out of self preservation, or selfishness, or out of a desire not to rock the boat, offend his father who loves him or becuase he was too young, because he didn't think it mattered - for whatever reason, Krishna has not considered his while to concern himself with Kesar's well being. He places Kesar only a little above Piyasia - both are not worthy of creating a hungama over. It is conditioning. I cannot blame him fully for it. But if he continues to think like that in the face of fresh perspectives, he must be blamed.

Pratigya thinks differently. To her Kesar MATTERS - even if she's weak, doesn't ahve a tongue in her head, even if she takes the FIR back, even if she's used to being beaten, even if she doesn't have enough self worth to believe she shouldn't be beaten. Kesar is IMPORTANT.

I am tending to give Krishna a little benefit of some time. Already he is reacting well - he wasn't as upset with Pratigya as I thought he would be - he saw at once that it was somehting she HAD to do.
He is deeply perturbed at the loss of the baby, although he says he can't believe his mother would do somehting like this, he does know she is capable of supervising a beating. Moreover, he has noticed that his mother is not denying the charge, only railing at her misfortunes. I'm sure he's shocked at SSingh's mild reaction to the loss of the precious grandchild. He is thinking, thinking, thinking. It is truly a 'dharma sankat'.

Given a little time, I'm quite certain he will do the right thing - of AT LEAST standing back and letting Kesar make the call without pressure. If she does take the FIR back, I'd like to see Krishna threaten his family with dire consequences if she is touched again. I'd like to see him tell them that if that happens again, HE and not Pratigya will be calling the police.

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Posted: 15 years ago
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@ Relda: 👍🏼

Not everyone looks at the depth of lead characters behaviors in a way you seems to have observed and described, most of us gets swayed by either likeness for one or the lack of it for the other, prohibiting sometimes (myself included) in expressing the correct POV fearing detachment from the like minded members.

You have politely exposed some weaknesses in Krishna's character dealing with his inconstant reactions to various relationships, usually overlooked many a times, simply because the blame was passed onto someone else. But to me these gray sheds of his personality is making him real. Every character has some flaws that were not properly explored or discussed, having said that, thank you so much for sharing your thoughts. I
loved the way you described these shades of gray. Lovely post . Keep participating in discussion and keep writing. 👏


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Originally posted by: nisha2010

enjoyed reading d other side of d coin........... 😊

yup .......d way krishna has been brought up he wud hav most probably done wat u said.....
his parents even don't spare him..........plotting and even using his disappearance for political gains.......

pratigya came into his life as love..........d emotion he had never felt before.............compasssion care respect .......all comes with love......and how much ever he said he wud not change for anybody and his amma feeding him her thoughts...........he changed........and still.is..........

krishna pratigya r such a wonderful couple who complete each other.passionate for their beliefs.........even if he opposed his household traditions just for pratigya it was a positive step.............he is d one rock support in her decisions...never giving it a 2nd thought....

d present track is a difficult situation for both of them.......he acknowledges d fact that his family his wrong...........doing smth for kesar's condition will b much appreciated then just d sweet talk..........to just throw aside his own parents wud b difficult for any child.......but yup slowly and steadily he will find a way out...put a rest to his internal conflict....

wanted to add..... in no way i support any type of violence against women...never...be it anyone



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Three cheers, me thinks this is one of the longest post by you and a good one too.

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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: soapbubble

Relda, that is an EXCELLENT post, 👏👏 and much needed given the Pratigya bashing that goes on in this forum. Shocking that such condemnation is not even meted out to the villains of the show! 😲😲

Yes, you have once again placed the focus where it should be - Krishna's reaction.
Krishna has known Kesar since he was what 17-18 years old? She has been very nice to him, and in turn he has been kind to her - talks to her sweetly, holds her in some affection - he has been nicer to her than anyone in his family.

Even Krishna, however, has never made an attempt to protect Kesar. He told Pratigya once that his father's beatings were the equivalent of HER father saying to his wife "Nainaji, chup rahiye" - it's the same thing, he told her, it just goes on, don't bother. Out of self preservation, or selfishness, or out of a desire not to rock the boat, offend his father who loves him or becuase he was too young, because he didn't think it mattered - for whatever reason, Krishna has not considered his while to concern himself with Kesar's well being. He places Kesar only a little above Piyasia - both are not worthy of creating a hungama over. It is conditioning. I cannot blame him fully for it. But if he continues to think like that in the face of fresh perspectives, he must be blamed.

Pratigya thinks differently. To her Kesar MATTERS - even if she's weak, doesn't ahve a tongue in her head, even if she takes the FIR back, even if she's used to being beaten, even if she doesn't have enough self worth to believe she shouldn't be beaten. Kesar is IMPORTANT.

I am tending to give Krishna a little benefit of some time. Already he is reacting well - he wasn't as upset with Pratigya as I thought he would be - he saw at once that it was somehting she HAD to do.
He is deeply perturbed at the loss of the baby, although he says he can't believe his mother would do somehting like this, he does know she is capable of supervising a beating. Moreover, he has noticed that his mother is not denying the charge, only railing at her misfortunes. I'm sure he's shocked at SSingh's mild reaction to the loss of the precious grandchild. He is thinking, thinking, thinking. It is truly a 'dharma sankat'.

Given a little time, I'm quite certain he will do the right thing - of AT LEAST standing back and letting Kesar make the call without pressure. If she does take the FIR back, I'd like to see Krishna threaten his family with dire consequences if she is touched again. I'd like to see him tell them that if that happens again, HE and not Pratigya will be calling the police.

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Thank you. I usually do not post much on this forum (apart from the last few days) because I treat primetime Hindi serials as entertainment packages and not as mirrors or solutions of societal evils. I rely on independent documentaries or literary exposes for that.

But saying that, I am a bit perplexed by the condemnations being heaped on Pratigya with such choice epithets for an action, which if it were to happen in real life, would have found a front-page feature on newspapers and encomiums from all social organizations and common people. I was reading in the newspaper about the story of an ordinary housewife whose husband had been kidnapped by UP dacoits. She gathered her jewelry and went and visited the dacoits all by herself in the deep forests and convinced them to free her husband. If such an action was shown in Pratigya I am sure she would have been denigrated as fool-hardy and impractical. My point is why watch a fictitious serial to see plebian events and foregone outcomes. Why is Krishna's character quirks and shortcomings explained away blithely by " he was brought up in such circumstances.. he doesn't know better" but lambast Pratigya's character for being true to her upbringing and life lessons imparted by her family? Why is Krishna hailed as some icon of pragmatism and Pratigya lampooned for unrealistic idealism? Was bringing an educated, head-strong, modern girl as a wife to a den of uncultured beasts and leaving her at their mercy for hours, and even days, an act of pragmatism? Was openly antagonizing his parents on behalf of Pratigya and then expecting them to treat her with kid's gloves an act of pragmatism? Was the act of living under the same roof as his family who had openly blackened his wife's and her dad's face and spoken un-tempered words of hatred and not finding any alternatives solution to this living situation impasse an act of pragmatism? Even in the present situation, as much as his state is evoking so much sympathy, I feel he is just feeling hemmed in by everyone's expectations and wants to go back to romancing his wife and sweep all the unpleasant truths begging him to let go of his cloak of inaction and apathy under the rug.

I feel that Krishna's character has been shown to unwilling in dealing with harsh realities and uncomfortable home truths of life. Just like he refused to acknowledge in the beginning that Prats didn't love her, similarly he refuses to face the ugly truth about his family members. And to me, that doesn't seem like a trait of a pragmatic man.

Edited by Relda - 15 years ago
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Excellent post, Relda. Powerfully written. You are right to bring in Krishna because in the larger picture it is the story of his redemption. It is only through Krishna's changing perspectives that we get a model for change for the entire society. Tell me what aspiring road-side lay-about in small-town India watching the show will not be inspired to win a woman's affections through love and patience now, rather than Dadagiri? 😃 Krishna has made 'patience' cool by showing the way.👏
Similarly, now he is caught in a moral dilemma. He knows he loves Pratigya more than his family. The guilt that this knowledge brings is also confusing the issue for him. Is he wanting to side with P because he loves her more or because she is doing the 'right' thing? He does not know.
But the fact is, if he supports Pratigya only because he loves her, he will still not be right. he should do it for the right reasons, she should do it because he cannot reconcile it within his conscience to dismiss her right to human dignity. We will see a true revelation in Krishna when he chooses right over wrong, rather than his wife over his family.

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Posted: 15 years ago
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excellent post...............👏👏👏.i too was a bit uneasy that krishna just doesn't care about kesar...........but its his nature......the only persons he care about in the whole world is pratigya and his bauji.........see he is more concerned about his bauji's pride than his mother's sufferings......even if he cares for his mother it is because she is sajjan singh's patni........just my POV..........we r giong to see his complete u trun against his family only and only if when he comes to know that pratigya is in some trouble.......if not for her he just won't care who lives or who dies......he only has stood for the cause of good when pratigya or her family was in trouble.........and he thinks it is only his right to do anything to pratigya....like hw he defends her in front of the world but fights or bashes her once inside the privacy of his room..................but having said that, i would like to add that i still love krishna......😳

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