If Pratigya wasn't present - Page 3

Originally posted by: soapbubble

Given a little time, I'm quite certain he will do the right thing - of AT LEAST standing back and letting Kesar make the call without pressure. If she does take the FIR back, I'd like to see Krishna threaten his family with dire consequences if she is touched again. I'd like to see him tell them that if that happens again, HE and not Pratigya will be calling the police.

Bubble

Bubble, that is exactly what I was thinking. 😊

an awesome post by the topic starter. excellent views that i share as well. i was looking forward to many posts in this forum on the present track but reading various views on how pratigya should have considered other's feelings and how it would affect her new relationship with krishna left me a little disappointed/disconnected. Pratigya's actions are justified and she did what she should have done. some things are above relationships- an act of crime and fighting for justice certainly qualify as those for me.

Krishna's reaction although slow i suspect is going to lead to right direction. when komal brings kesar out, i think that is first time he sees her after this incident. at that moment, he may see the pain in Kesar's eyes and her weak state. And ask her what she wants to do rather than have komal railroad her.

Originally posted by: Dyehard

Of course we all love krishna, that is why we are ambitious for him! 😛 Are you satisfied with a Krishna who cannot make tough choices or are we hoping for him to realise his full potential?

i too want him to be a better human being.......ie he should understand the feelings of the people around him other than pratigya........otherwise he just perfect......the raw,rustic nature of him is what makes him special not to mention loyalty and ability to love unconditionally and ubundant patience.....................pratigya only needs to polish him......just a bit.....

I like that this track has brought out several very interesting dialogues on IF. 👏👏👏👏 My understanding is there is no right and wrong answer here. Context, beliefs, perceptiions, life's experiences play a vital role on how we see the issue. Even when it comes to idealism vs. pragmatism it's not so clear cut.

Was Prats's decision to marry Krishna an idealistic one? In her mind, it was a pragmatic solution to save the honor of her family as she saw Krishna as someone who would go to any lengths to marry her. By the same token, was Krishna's decision to marry Prats a purely pragmatic one? He was in his own starry-eyed world believing that Prats loved him. Neither of them can be boxed into a category in every situation.

Krishna has always been one to keep things simple and doesn't like to hear about family problems. He know they exist but he prefers to play the avoidance game. He challks it to "it's their problems to deal with, not my place to interfere unless it directly affects me or my wife". He saw his mother's hand dunked in hot milk by SS, it angered him but didn't say anything, the rules of the household meant he kept his mouth shut. He likes his bhabhi Kesar, sees his brother often treats her poorly, empathizes with her on occasion but doesn't interfere in it. Each male in the family deals with his wife his way but follows the grid established in his family. It's about meeya-beebi ke beech ka mamla.

Last week was the first time we saw Krishna ask SS openly "what about when you treat my mother poorly".

His focus had been on winning Prats's love. Now that he has won that battle he can attend to the next one....he can only deal with one major problem at a time. He is easily overwhelmed with too much info. and too many situations😕😲.

Krishna's one admirable quality is his willingness to hear and give consideration to a different POV as long as it is kept short and simple. 😆😉😃 He is willing to think outside the box given a little time to assimilate the info. In this instance, he admits what happened to Kesar was wrong but doesn't know what to say to her. I am wondering if his dilemma was "she lost the baby, how does telling her he's sorry change things" along with a little guilt that it was his bro who caused it. We saw him reflecting after listening to Prats and Adarsh on Friday. He knows there is a kernel of truth to their POV but the inner battle is his to deal with and he wants to resolve it asap. It's a tough inner battle.......the old vs. the new unknows patterns of dealing with matters.

When he told Komal to hear the whole story he saw what happened to Kesar as terribly wrong. It is hard for him to just accept his family is capable of that level of cruelty esp. his Amma. He is still unaware of a few truths. His world will be shaken to the core when he faces it head on. There are a few clues that he just hasn't focused on yet. How can a family that claims to love him and want to see him happy be ready to kill the person he loves more than his own life? Like it or not, it will be the biggest eye-opener for him yet about relationships and love and leave the world he knew all his life come crashing around him.

The avoidance game can no longer be played. His wife is smack in the middle of things which like it or not brings him into the middle of family drama.

Originally posted by: Relda

Hi Dyehard,

Your apprehensions of losing the big picture is valid. But I would posit that the plot has already been lost, at least in these forums. Everything Pratigya does will be seen through the lens of her relationship with Krishna. Leaving the irritating details like she didn't call the police in the first pace and hr desperate attempts to reach Krishna were unsucessful because Krishna was literally letting the grass grow under his feet and playing mental love games, Pratigya's actions are somehow being depicted as an action of disrespect, slight and disregard for Krishna. If we accept that her actions of not consulting Krishna was disrespectful then was Krishna disrespectful when he decided to take on Angad and his gang on Arushi's behalf without Pratigya's knowledge and then left her to burn in the fire and brimstone of amma's wrath?

My point is that sometimes situations go out of hand and you end up doing things which appear to be prudent and exigent at that time.. it has nothing to do with the balance of love and respect in a marriage. Marriage is not a ledgerbook where you keep checks and balances on who is winning and who is losing. If she wanted to put the SS's family to shame and disrepute she could have done it much earlier when Amma had inflicted verbal and physical abuse on her.

The points of my posts in this thread was not to disparage Krishna at the expense of Pratigya's character but to put forward the view that both Krishna and Pratigya are human beings with normal human faults and follies. Pratigya is not an one-dimensional character for whom no sympathy can be accorded and neither is Krishna an irreproachable, blemishless character whose every action is worthy of claps and praises.

Relda! Please don't let the forum bother you! When I first approached some quarters in this forum a few months back I was so taken aback, I wondered if they were discussing the same show that I had been watching. Pratigya was all manner of black then, not just a crashing prosy bore, but a vamp, liar and highly manipulative heartless person. There is something a little skewed about some of the POVs on the forum and they are entirely against the grain and ideology this show is trying to project. Krishna is an object of worship and anything bringing him the slightest discomfort or unease will be rationalized into a SIN irrespective of how essential or righteous the action is. The person bringing the unease is persona non grata and will be reviled beyond recognition.
But I realised that if I let this imbalance push me away from my center, that is into a false and unnecessary position of supporting one at the cost of another then I am quite unnecessarily losing out on the fullest enjoyment. Why should I let a handful of skewed versions move me from the best vantage point to view the show - which I think is exactly in line with the CVs. I find there treatment and detailing of character's impeccable. I love both the protagonists dearly. Pratigya for her extraordinary courage, indomitable spirit, loving selfless heart, truly ethical ways, deep insight, single minded focus, her forgiveness, her kindness, her humour and her "theharaav". Krishna for that deep well of love and for being that extraordinary Man who can question he fundamentals of his identity and dig up the courage to change. Nothing is more irresistible that the man who is going to be redeemed!

And BTW, I certainly don't believe she should have consulted Krishna. It was alright if she tried, it is perfectly alright that she went ahead and did the only right thing. I think it is very chivilarous of her not to pressurise him to take a standpoint that is hard for him to take. She had to do what she had to do and it was better to give him fait accompli rather than making him make that difficult decision. I think it is extraordinarily gutsy of her and in a way kind too!

Originally posted by: Relda

Thank you. I usually do not post much on this forum (apart from the last few days) because I treat primetime Hindi serials as entertainment packages and not as mirrors or solutions of societal evils. I rely on independent documentaries or literary exposes for that.

But saying that, I am a bit perplexed by the condemnations being heaped on Pratigya with such choice epithets for an action, which if it were to happen in real life, would have found a front-page feature on newspapers and encomiums from all social organizations and common people. I was reading in the newspaper about the story of an ordinary housewife whose husband had been kidnapped by UP dacoits. She gathered her jewelry and went and visited the dacoits all by herself in the deep forests and convinced them to free her husband. If such an action was shown in Pratigya I am sure she would have been denigrated as fool-hardy and impractical. My point is why watch a fictitious serial to see plebian events and foregone outcomes. Why is Krishna's character quirks and shortcomings explained away blithely by " he was brought up in such circumstances.. he doesn't know better" but lambast Pratigya's character for being true to her upbringing and life lessons imparted by her family? Why is Krishna hailed as some icon of pragmatism and Pratigya lampooned for unrealistic idealism? Was bringing an educated, head-strong, modern girl as a wife to a den of uncultured beasts and leaving her at their mercy for hours, and even days, an act of pragmatism? Was openly antagonizing his parents on behalf of Pratigya and then expecting them to treat her with kid's gloves an act of pragmatism? Was the act of living under the same roof as his family who had openly blackened his wife's and her dad's face and spoken un-tempered words of hatred and not finding any alternatives solution to this living situation impasse an act of pragmatism? Even in the present situation, as much as his state is evoking so much sympathy, I feel he is just feeling hemmed in by everyone's expectations and wants to go back to romancing his wife and sweep all the unpleasant truths begging him to let go of his cloak of inaction and apathy under the rug.

I feel that Krishna's character has been shown to unwilling in dealing with harsh realities and uncomfortable home truths of life. Just like he refused to acknowledge in the beginning that Prats didn't love her, similarly he refuses to face the ugly truth about his family members. And to me, that doesn't seem like a trait of a pragmatic man.

@ Relda and Bubble:

Conflict resolution amongst relationships is an art, acquired only when faced with the experiences of realy complex and serious situation such as this one facing Krishna involving equally loved relationships , It may or may not be a personality trait but his decision will reflect his instincts rather then justice in this case.

Lets look at how he may try to strike a balanced approach by asking Kesar to withdraw FIR while convincing Pratigya that he will ensure nothing like this will ever happens to Kesar, changing his earlier stance that Kesar's incident was a miann-bibi matter, he is probably recognizing the severity of harm done to Keasr and the consequences effecting the unrepairable damage such things could do to the fabric of his family and his own marital life, by finding another way to punish KN, even though SS gets KN and SD off the hook from police investigations. My POV.