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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: HamiSky

Her actions??

how n wer?
at Thakur nivas? or mumfordganj??
boht these places only damaged their relationship!!
will they travel far off till they reconcile? or at least Krishna is completely fine??
but one may rise concerns about their survival?? will Tn C support them??
but one thing TnC will surely help build their realtionship stronger and they are the eye witnesses to the pain that PRatigya has taken..
if am not boring ..tell me some of Kriya moments u enjoyed the most? n y?
take it one by one!!
i wud lvoe to hear it from u..if u r not bored,..



Her actions showing her love are yet to come ...he action's as to the compassion ..would be the knifing incident, feeding him when he was hungry..

They had a brief period of bliss in the Adda .... Pratigya was without her father's influnce and Bauji did not eat Krishna's head...here they were two individuals without any interference ...and their interaction wa quite normal ...I hope this where they head after discharge..but somehow think it won't be so..Thakur's will come and take them back ..but I seriously wish they head back too Adda until wounds heal....


My favorite scene or scenes

the first introduction Kriya to each other ....

Thunder strikes, Lightning flashes ..and he is immediately attracted to her ..he is struck by her beauty and wants her , not only physically but also emotionally...

And she ...she is very suspicious,she is wary of him yet very much aware of him... it is as if she recognizes him ...very interestingly..she is not afraid of him !! nor is she annoyed ...
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Posted: 15 years ago
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@Dyehard -I smtimes truly wonder how do you think so much deeply into this couple's relationship and esp. Krishna's love....
of late..Pratigya's new found feelings too!!
Great going!!Kudos!!
I can rally enjoy a lot reading but i certainly cannot write so much...that too with deep inset thoughts on relationships!!
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Posted: 15 years ago
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@Tanthya...thanks for that....!! :-)

and Dyehard is abck..u both start off..am gonna have a feast of posts....:-)))
its never tiring to read more n more about this wonderful couple!!
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: tanthya



Hami,

Risking his life would entail him to get her undying gratitude ....not love !!

Love comes when he is able to touch her inner core , awaken the hitherto sleeping femininity ,sensitizes her to her own sensuality ...makes her feel incomplete without his presence ..

And i would say, Mesdemoiselles is already missing him, has began to dream about him [ Awakening of her feminine ] ....the only thing is the sensual part ...then she will be in love and I don't think that part is far off ...Since Madam is firmly guiding her horse towards that winner's cup called LOVE ...

Krishna has proved her love in many ways ...to expect the same sort of gestures from Pratigya would be unfair...for these to are entirely different..he is an extrovert, passionate, hasty ..whatever his feelings, he will show it immediately whereas Pratigya is restrained, introvert, quieter and calm type..hers will be more in the looks than in gestures ...she will not go overboard but she will not be a cold fish either ...



Precisely, Tanth.

I don't think Pratigya needs further impetus or proof of Krishna's love. And what she feels when she sees his love is not gratitute but WONDER! remember that lovely saat-janam wala scene at the Adda? She was gazing at him as if to say " Sometimes this man is so wonderful that I cannot reconcile it with the rest of what I know of him"
Now she knows that his worst is not so bad, and his best is bloddy Brilliant! 😳😳 Frankly, she has now come to a stage where her loyalties are unquestionable. Like I mentioned before, unless Krishna is very much in the wrong in the future (GOD FORBID!) she will always be by him.
And somehow tanths, I don't see prats as someone who lives with a dichotomy within herself unlike Krishna. She is not that conflicted. Once her mind has accepted his worth and innocence, her heart and gut followed fairly quickly. I don't think she will be coy in her expressions of love at all. I don;t think it is an aspect that guilts her. Like you say she may not be bold per se 😆 but definitely not repressed either.

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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: Dyehard

Sorry, got waylaid by a mundane distraction called regular life. 😉😆

Just to take up from where Tanthya dropped off. The progression of Krishna's love.

When I read about the snake-bite/hospital track via SBS I was a little surprised. I had not anticipated a further upping of the ante at this point. I had anticipated a showdown from Pratigya's side and maybe a little melting/meltdown(!?) from Krishna and then perhaps wooing on Pratigya's part. What is this twist for? Surely it is not just to provide Pratigya with an occasion to know her own love? Does she need to see him die to see her love? Seems like overkill surely?

But after considering this new twist for a bit, I feel like congratulating the CVs yet again. This twist I have begun to feel is not for Pratigya at all. It is the final test in Krishna's Graduation.

I see how from the moment he set eyes on Pratigya, Krishna's character and his love have slowly been tempered with the trial of fire. At each turn, circumstances have asked new questions of his love and his inner strength, and at each turn he has answered with trumps, very often surprising himself. The beauty of Krishna's education has been that he himself did not know his own potential or his real inclinations and strength.

On each occasion he has looked inside of himself expecting to find hurt pride, masculine ego, anger, resentment and a need to dominate. On each occasion he has found instead a great sense of fairplay and LOVE. Again and again he has looked. Again and again he has found LOVE.

Even on this last great instance of what he thought was the ultimate betrayal, when he was so sure self-preservation will kick in, he has been unable to find that seat of ego which he thought was his identity. He has dug and dug within himself and all that wells up is love. This great blow to his identity and sense of self has almost crazed him with its impact.

This is a point at which two things can happen without a further catalyst-

One: the person rejects this change in himself because of fear and entirely goes back to a former state. Clings to the known self in the face of turbulence and unknown seas.

Two: the person accepts this changed identity, but with a underlining resentment for the object/love/person that caused it. That is by adopting a secondary ego to mask the first one that is lost.

Most of us were expecting the second reaction. Where the depth of Krishna's love is acknowledged but we are able to preserve his ego for him.

But as usual the CV's have one up on us!

Krishna's ego (which is simple not the same as self respect) is not for anybody else to break. It is for him to sacrifice in the fire of love. It is only when he realizes that nothing, NOTHING is more important than his love that he is freed from his inner conflict.

At this point, it is important to realize the contrast that this stand makes with EVERYTHING he has been taught from the cradle.

-Never give an inch

-Self before all else 'it is a dog-eat dog world. And even murder is acceptable

- Other human beings can be sacrificed for any reason. Comfort, money, power, prestige, ego!

The behavior of the Thakurs who have threatened three people with murder in one day and prepared to cold-bloodlessly kill one has been cleverly displayed by the CVs to provide the strongest background for this momentous decision of Krishna.

So the CVs provide a further catalyst for Krishna to be left without a doubt about himself and his heart.

And as have come to know, Krishna who has grown up surrounded by those Thakur values, proceeds to reject them in one instance of pure instinct. In the moment of choice between Self-preservation and LOVE, he unequivocally chooses love. With this final act, without an escape route, he has chosen his true self.

Now, it is impossible for Krishna to ever deny his true nature. He has committed himself.



Whoa !! Dye ....👏👏👏..Brilliant ...I say ...I am convinced but not entirely ..are you sure that this progression is only for Krishna...The CV's are definitely going one up..

The CV's have attempted two things ...one showing Krishna's re-birth...Re-birth it will be sans his ego, his aham so to speak , his acceptance of his new found vulnerability , his knowledge that he no longer is the king but is ruled by love ...His commitment is unquestioned cos he does not have any other option ....

but there is another factor too ...let me come from Pratigya's world..

a couple of episodes back ...Krishna will ask "Who in the world loves you more ??" and Pratigya will unhesitatingly say "Papa" ..*this will momentarily check mate him* ...but it is not about him..it is about Pratigya ...

Pratigya has a firm conviction that Papa and Only Papa loves her in the whole world..loves her enough to do anything for her happiness , for her ... How will that conviction be shaken ? how to make her realize that that there is a person , another individual who considers her to be the sun and moon of his world, whose love is fiery and soothing at the same time ..How better than by showing him putting HIS life in danger so that she may live .

Her Father took a life but did not put his own life in danger whereas Krishna inspite of feeling betrayed puts his OWN life in danger and saves her... What is greater, Taking another life , or sacrificing one's own life knowing the danger involved in it ...by doing this hasn't Krishna shown to Pratigya , that HIS love is vast and infinite that nothing, no other love can stand in comparison !!

This incident will show that Krishna's love stands tall, Taller than her father's ...and this truth will dawn on Pratigya and make her humbler , softer ..

The mundane life is calling me now..will come to resume 😆...

Pratigya will now realize the kind of soul mate she has got...All this while , Pratigya was never awre of the depth nor the intensity of his love...yes ! she knew he loved her...but she never could understand his love... she though his love came with pre-conditions attached ,never could realize that his love was selfless ,

Krishna is successfully traversing the rocky path of Love ...Now it is Pratigya's turn ..and she will not let us down ...After all Krishna did choose her ...Did not he ??
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Posted: 15 years ago
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That self-sure declaration "mere papa" still rankles, does it, Tanths? 😉 Just teasing!
I agree actually! Krishna's love is equal and greater to anyone's. There should be no room for doubt. Least of all in his mind.
When I said that Pratigya did not need impetus I just meant that she does not need or expect Krishna to make this kind of gesture or sacrifice. When he stood up for her in the face of his own family and (more importantly) in the face of his own grief, she had all the proof she needed. She was not about to demand anything further from him. In fact now she is feeling definitely on the debit side and wants most urgently to do her bit and play her part in their relationship. So I just meant that nothing further will be achieved by increasing her indebtedness. Like you rightly said, gratitude and love are certainly not the same things.

But, it is important for Krishna to know what Pratigya meant when she claimed that her father's love as the greatest. Remember what he says? "kya woh tumhaare liye kisi ki jaan LE saktein hain?" But he was quite struck when he saw that the Prof was willing to sacrifice his precious izzat and his comfortable existence for his daughter. So he learnt then that loves measures what you give and not how much you are prepared to snatch. Now, without a reasoned choice, without weighing the cost, he gives his life for love. So it is not Pratigya's stamp of approval which will ratify his greater love, but his own acceptance of it.

Love cannot be bought, won or proved or in anyway encompassed. Love is so vast that you can only grow into it.


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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: Dyehard

That self-sure declaration "mere papa" still rankles, does it, Tanths? 😉 Just teasing!
I agree actually! Krishna's love is equal and greater to anyone's. There should be no room for doubt. Least of all in his mind.
When I said that Pratigya did not need impetus I just meant that she does not need or expect Krishna to make this kind of gesture or sacrifice. When he stood up for her in the face of his own family and (more importantly) in the face of his own grief, she had all the proof she needed. She was not about to demand anything further from him. In fact now she is feeling definitely on the debit side and wants most urgently to do her bit and play her part in their relationship. So I just meant that nothing further will be achieved by increasing her indebtedness. Like you rightly said, gratitude and love are certainly not the same things.

But, it is important for Krishna to know what Pratigya meant when she claimed that her father's love as the greatest. Remember what he says? "kya woh tumhaare liye kisi ki jaan LE saktein hain?" But he was quite struck when he saw that the Prof was willing to sacrifice his precious izzat and his comfortable existence for his daughter. So he learnt then that loves measures what you give and not how much you are prepared to snatch. Now, without a reasoned choice, without weighing the cost, he gives his life for love. So it is not Pratigya's stamp of approval which will ratify his greater love, but his own acceptance of it.

Love cannot be bought, won or proved or in anyway encompassed. Love is so vast that you can only grow into it.




You bet !! every time I think of that...I feel like throttling her !!😆

She had the proof that he loved her ..but as I said she did not know the depth of it nor the unconditional part of it ... she still had that veil of Papa's Love covering her eyes ..That veil has to be removed, she had to accept that Krishna and only Krishna loved her unconditionally, unreservedly..His love is infinite, powerful ..and for that reason this incident was necessary ..

the lesson the Love measures what you give ..shud be learnt by Pratigya too...so far she has not yielded an inch..time for to yield not in inches but in acres ...😆

As for Acceptance..Krishna accepted his love when he fell at his Dadi's feet ...That was his humbling moment, A moment when he realized, not he but Love dictates , he has become a puppet in its hand, even his actions are driven by love ..That was his turning point !! and in the upcoming days, he will fully surrender to love , Of that I am sure !!
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Wonderful discussion!

I have a VERY random post about nothing at all. most disjointed, and not in reaction to anything anyone has said. only the incoherent ravings of a Kriya fan 😆😆😆 - apologies in advance.

The most remarkable thing about both Krishna and Pratigya is, (like Harry Potter 😛) their ability to LOVE.
Krishna, although he fell for her so comprehensively at first sight, didn't realise that it was going to be this tsunami overwhelming him, tossing him out of his life into another existence that he wouldn't recognise. Pratigya, although she has loved her family and friends with fierce loyalty and rather selfless devotion did not understand that there was yet another level for her to scale.

As a soulmate Krishna recognised her instantly. And going by the look she gave him even when he was helmeted and semi-masked, in some teeeeeensy corner, she did too 😳. She looked right back at him, intrigued, unafraid, interested. Then the world kicked in, as it does 😡 and what a harsh world! 😭 - different circles, different values, different backgrounds, very very different families 😲 and villains 🤢 around every corner. It's a wonder they came together at all.

But they are together still, against all hope, in spite of various kinds of people trying to separate them, keep them apart.... in spite of everything, they're together. And coming closer closer... He sees her as no one else will - he sees ALL of her - he loves the way she looks, he sees her courage, he's wowed by her love for those she loves, he admires the way she plunges into something, he appreciates her single minded focus, likes how hard working she is... he even likes her unsmiling Grouch demeanour 😆😆. He thinks she's fair minded and in spite of his mother crying hoarse that Pratigya has VAMPED her son away, Krishna knows that PRatigya has NEVER done that - NEVER used her feminine wiles, or used her considerable power over him for her own benefit.

Pratigya on the other hand, after that initial flare of interest, descended into fear. She was being stalked by some mysterious stranger - bad/weird things happened whenever she stepped out. She was being harassed, made a target with nowhere to run.
In one crazed mood of defiance, like a cowering animal that's lost hope, she chose to walk INTO danger instead of running away from it, just to see if it made a difference.

They were married. She had no hope that could indeed keep Krishna at bay. But to her surprise, she succeeded. Just barely, but she succeeded. And while she managed to keep her head out of the very deep water she found herself in, she occasionally found Krishna helping her, holding her, guiding her this way and that. One small incident at a time, she found that this man was on her side. The pendulum swung this way and that way. He would threaten her with rape, he would protect her from domestic humiliations - she was puzzled, wary, interested.

Slowly she has begun to see him better - see his immense love, his sensitive nature. She has been afraid to show too much softness - she knows him for a very aggressive male - but she too has begun to see him in all his diverse shades. She has been AMAZED by his fairminedness, his committment to be on her side and his strength.

Now in a matter of a few weeks, they will come together. Krishna and Pratigya on the same side. I can't wait for them to sock the rest of the world in the face.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Fabulous post, Bubble!👏 Almost like an interval summary. Much needed at this crux, because all thing will have changed by the end of next week!😳😃

'I can't wait for them to sock the rest of the world in the face.'

What else to say but Aameen, Aameen, Aameen!!!

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tanthya congratulations------------------------fantabulous--breathtaking verses and par excellence post-- kudos to you-- vow!! i said vow--i repeat vowwwwwwwwwww !! 👏

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