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Posted: 15 years ago

Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

Anu I still dont understand the wisdom in continuing to live with a rapist if she REALLY regards Krishna as one .U said she was a wise woman .😊


did she not think that sex was part of the marriage bargain...because she got ice running through her veins, did she think that krishna had icy veins too... 😆 😆 the guy is hot blooded...and he expected consummation as part of marriage... 😉
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Posted: 15 years ago

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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm I am sorry did you not watch the episode. She doesn't want to live with him. He took her at GUN POINT. PRATIGYA DOESN'T WANT TO GO BACK. He is forcing her so how is that her fault.


hmmmmm dont you think pratigya is a little selfish, that everything has to go her way, without a thought for her husband's or anyone else's feelings (well except her family)...she got married to teach her husband a lesson and btw he did not hold a gun to her head then(selfish)...she didnt want to give him her body knowing she was his wife (selfish)....she insulted him, and when he slapped her, she said the slap hurt her heart, didnt she think the insult hurt his heart too (selfish)....she insulted her in laws and threatened to leave her marital home (selfish), and now refuse to say sorry and go back knowing that it would be pleasing to her husband (selfish)......and yea him taking her back at gunpoint..that is what you get when you push someone over the edge...all book sense and no common sense make pratigya a very stupid girl...
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Posted: 15 years ago
can someone please explain to me one thing. i am not married so i don't know. when is sleeping with your husband part of wife duties. and if it is just done out of duty then what exactly are women. there is a disgusting word for women like that and i hope and pray that is not what being a wife is all about. there are a lot of young people on this forum i wonder what they really think a wife's responsibility in the bedroom is. please lets not talk about woman body as a commodity. i hope we have more respect for what happens in the bedroom as more of a means to produce a baby, or please your husband, or some sick source of amusement.
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Posted: 15 years ago

Originally posted by: PRnerd


hmmmmm dont you think pratigya is a little selfish, that everything has to go her way, without a thought for her husband's or anyone else's feelings (well except her family)...she got married to teach her husband a lesson and btw he did not hold a gun to her head then(selfish)...she didnt want to give him her body knowing she was his wife (selfish)....she insulted him, and when he slapped her, she said the slap hurt her heart, didnt she think the insult hurt his heart too (selfish)....she insulted her in laws and threatened to leave her marital home (selfish), and now refuse to say sorry and go back knowing that it would be pleasing to her husband (selfish)......and yea him taking her back at gunpoint..that is what you get when you push someone over the edge...all book sense and no common sense make pratigya a very stupid girl...



Prates didn't learn much from Krishna during her time at the Tacurse niwas. When he put the gun to her head She should have said what he told Katra Naresh and and SS "chalo god a dabaO" that would have stunned him and distracted Him na? She is not shrewd and on her toes something she Needs to learn if she ever plans to give the marriage a go.
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Posted: 15 years ago

Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

No I watched it Im talking of something else . While revealing bedroom secrets she opted not to tell about rape attempt by Krishna . I Wish she had . Why she didnt ?Anu said she is a wise woman protecting Krishnas image and I disagreed .I feel a wise woman makes rapists known to the world , doesnt cover up for them .



I can't exactly pinpoint the reason why hasn't she disclosed this secret. Lets just say, she didn't want to give her parents another shock and one more reason to worry about her. Like she said to Arushi in one episode, she is the one who has to deal with this situation. I haven't even watched those episodes, so not sure what was her reaction to Krishna's rape attempt. Did he promise her that he wont cross the limits again(set by her) ?
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Posted: 15 years ago

Originally posted by: --Anu--



I can't exactly pinpoint the reason why hasn't she disclosed this secret. Lets just say, she didn't want to give her parents another shock and worry about her. Like she said to Arushi in one episode, she is the one who has to deal with this situation. I haven't even watched those episode, so not sure what was her reaction to Krishna's rape attempt. Did he promise her that he wont cross the limits again ?

Nope . They were interrupted by SS . Even the not wanting to give parents another shock sounds lame doesnt it . She already had shocked them by blurting so many things out in the open . I honestly wanted even that to come out . I wanted to see what Naina tells her after hearing it . Of course , Naina will be called as regressive minded , nevertheless I wanted to hear it . Coz Anu ....walking into a marraige with a gunda and expecting that she cud get away by refusing him night after night is hilarious...........even uneducated women know how improbable that is .........she was educated . Then suddenly after acting like a woman's activist she became a brief pativrata and hid this fact while telling bedroom secrets . This Selective memory and Selective fear beats me .
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Posted: 15 years ago
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A big muvaaaa to u for replying so much in detail instead of one liners.......i know how u hate typing .And all so well expressed .U made my day dudette
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Posted: 15 years ago

Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

Nope . They were interrupted by SS . Even the not wanting to give parents another shock sounds lame doesnt it . She already had shocked them by blurting so many things out in the open . I honestly wanted even that to come out . I wanted to see what Naina tells her after hearing it . Of course , Naina will be called as regressive minded , nevertheless I wanted to hear it . Coz Anu ....walking into a marraige with a gunda and expecting that she cud get away by refusing him night after night is hilarious...........even uneducated women know how improbable that is .........she was educated . Then suddenly after acting like a woman's activist she became a brief pativrata and hid this fact while telling bedroom secrets . This Selective memory and Selective fear beats me .



Its just a drama. lol Nothing like this can happen in real life. She took an emotional decision without realizing its repercussions. She married him to take her revenge and teach him a lesson, may be that's how she is taking it by not allowing him to touch her.😆 She doesn't know yet that Krishna was not responsible for her miseries.
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Posted: 15 years ago
You are being unfair to Kesar here . Do u mean she has no self respect or atma sammaan ? What do u mean when u say she has no control over her body and how shakti treats her ? You seriously believe Pratigya wud have control over Shakti if she was married to him ?
Pratigya wud be DEAD by now if she had dared to answer Shakti so rudely , coz Shakti is less of a human being and more of an animal . Her answers and preachings wud NOT have been tolerated for a minute .She keeps calling Krishna a monster but if she had encountered one like Shakti or Angad in private , and tried to 'teach them ' a lesson she wud be violated in the worst , horrific manner possible before the alphabet 'A' of the word 'Atma Sammaan' would cross her lips .
Kesar keeps quite coz she fears her life . Not coz she is terribly in love with her brutal husband .Kesar is a realistic character . Pratigya is unrealistic , however dashing she looks and sounds to young people out there who are unmarried . The prudent thing to do when ur living with such chauvinistic beasts is to fear for ur life and survive or runaway to another place on the map where u can live incognito . Especially if those beasts r having police and political contacts.
Being prudent shud not be looked down upon and foolish bravado shud not be glorified .
As far as 'Atma Samman ' being the right of woman to say NO to her husband in the bedroom when she doesn't feel like it goes , I agree totally ...........but I wish to point out that if this right is exrcised night after night and months after months the marraige will break and land in divorce court . It goes both ways.......if a husband refuses to touch his wife for months , she will become frustrated and walk out so will a man be driven crazy and may resort to marital rape if he is subjected to mental torture .
As far as definition of wifely duties go and what a woman's responsibility in the bedroom is goes .............Man and woman put together in this bond called marraige by society to check chaos in society coz during youth their physical desires , emotional requirements and procreational abilities r at the peak .Marraige ensures a check on the chaos in society as had this institution not existed , humans wud behave like animals . Marraiges ensures that two individuals r thoroughly satisfied on all 3 levels ....physical , emotional and spiritual ...........and it goes in that order ...........coz in arranged marraiges in India where gals hardly know the guys they r marrying if they sit and wait for their partner to emotionally connect with them before giving up their body ...........it will perhaps be years before they r ready as no man is a perfect man and no woman is a perfect woman .iNfact this physical intimacy is the beginning of emotional connection and years of companionship later give the marraige a spiritual dimension . These r reality checks my dear , having any other idea in one's head before stepping in matrimony in India wud be a rude awakening from romantic dreams .
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Posted: 15 years ago

Originally posted by: PRnerd


hmmmmm dont you think pratigya is a little selfish, -> NOPE! Pratigya is NOT selfish, coz she wont be married to Krishna today if she were SELFISH enough!!!
that everything has to go her way, -> RIGHT! What exactly do u include in the 'everything' that went her way??? IS it HER or NY GIRL's WAY to get married to someone she despises??? IS it her WAY to like or love Krishna and forget about the sufferings that he made her go through? IS it her WAY of being humiliated and insulted by her in-laws??? IS it her WAY to NOT WANT to be A MOTHER EVER??? IS it HER or NY GIRL's WAY to be FORCED to LOVE someone she despises??? And u say, 'everything' has to go her way WHEN the MOST BASIC of HER RIGHTS and WISHES DINT go according to HER WAY, all thanx to Krishna!!!🤢
without a thought for her husband's or anyone else's feelings (well except her family).. -> LIKE her husband was THINKING a LOT about HER feelings or her family's feelings or his own family's feelings when he was riding the horse of marrying Pratigya and wasnt getting off of it, until he GOT to his destination!!!
So, u basically EXPECT Pratigya to FORGET about her OWN feelings, JUST SO SHE WONT BE SELFISH, and care about the feelings of someone who doesnt give a damn about what she wishes or how she feels!!! Well, if thats being selfish, then I'd proudly be a selfish girl than be a lifeless doll void of her own feelings!!!
.she got married to teach her husband a lesson and btw he did not hold a gun to her head then
(selfish)... Did u watch the scene when Pratigya was NOT thinking of teaching nyone ny lesson and was leaving the city with her dad, Krishna held a gun at her dad's head, right IN FRONT OF her and forced them to NOT leave the city??? COZ, sure it was not holding a gun right to HER head, but are u saying for a daughter, her father's head is less worth than her own??? I think that would make her into a selfishly stubborn girl, to NOT care if her dad is shot or not and still refuse to give into Krishna's forces by agreeing to marry him!!!
she didnt want to give him her body knowing she was his wife (selfish)....-> She did not WANT to give him her body, FIRSTLY, coz she did NOT love him as her husband or ny kind of stranger BUT despised him as a stalker and an arrogant selfish person who FORCED her to give up her future dreams by FORCEFULLY marrying her and SECONDLY, she did not WANT to give him her body to teach him a lesson that even if he succeeded to forcefully MARRY her, he wont be successful in forcefully making her give him her body or heart or soul or love!!! And THIRDLY, IF Krishna can SELFISHLY MARRY her, WHY cant Pratigya selfishly protect her beliefs and self-respect???
she insulted him, and when he slapped her, she said the slap hurt her heart, didnt she think the insult hurt his heart too (selfish)....->WHO was the one to create a situation where he could possibly be insulted??? Didnt Pratigya try again and again to make him understand that lying is not the way to go??? IF Krishna was SELFISH enough to ONLY care about WAT he thought and felt without giving a damn about Pratigya's feelings and how she must feel to lie about something as big as pregnancy, then, how exactly is speaking the TRUTH an insult for him when he was warned again and again about such outcome??? And since when has speaking the TRUTH become being SELFISH??? Right! Like Pratigya has taken the responsibility to do ALL the THINKINGS!!!🤢 Why should she think of how Krishna might have been hurt with the insult WHEN HE was tagging along with his family and insulting and humiliating and accusing Pratigya by calling her a liar??? And she stood up for herself and spilled the truth and she became selfish??? I dont think so!!!😒
she insulted her in laws and threatened to leave her marital home (selfish), -> Ohkay! Seriously now, What EXACTLY do u EXPECT from Pratigya the character??? She refused to be another Kesar and be slapped or hit for no mistake of her own and stood up for herself by declaring that she is leaving Krishna's house!!! IS that called being selfish???😕😕😕 Then how exactly does a woman protect herself or her self-respect if all her tries are called being selfish??? No wonder women fail to protect themselves coz obviously that would make them into selfish creatures!!! If the Thakur's have KING size male-ego and are NOT USED to women having their way or protect themselves or make their own decisions and they feel insulted to have been given a reality check - HOW exactly does that make Pratigya SELFISH???😕
and now refuse to say sorry and go back knowing that it would be pleasing to her husband (selfish).....-> I understand that its ur POV, BUT why do I feel like u r twisting Pratigya straightforward intentions??? I mean, do u feel the same while u read about Pratigya-fans criticizing Krishna's MCP ways???😕 Plz, dont feel offended COZ I'm really confused here!!!😳
Pratigya is refusing to say sorry BCOZ she did NOT do NY WRONG! As simple as that! And she is further refusing to say sorry COZ I think, NOW that Pratigya knows WHAT the Thakurs think of women and HOW they treat women as worse than animals - Pratigya's beliefs, her self-respect, and her strong will-power would not allow her to accept The MCP's whims just coz she is a woman!!!
And I am still confused as what exactly gave u the idea that Pratigya was thinking how her apology would please Krishna, her so-called husband???😕😕😕
and yea him taking her back at gunpoint..that is what you get when you push someone over the edge...-> The same can be applied to Pratigya, a woman as well, and it could be said about her that when one push a woman to the edge, ie. FORCE her into lying about something as sacred and big as pregnancy, she would eventually spill the truth - the difference between the two is that Pratigya TRIED very nicely to make Krishna understand till she was pushed to the edge to insult a holy pooja by lying in it and Krishna's way of trying to make Pratigya understand was again FORCING her to apologize for his own mistakes to his own family and his so-called edge was spoken by himself - he realized that women should not be given too much independence coz women are incapable of digesting too much aazaadi!!!🤢🤢🤢
all book sense and no common sense make pratigya a very stupid girl... Lolzzz. If having commonssense is being like Krishna and giving into the MCP in-laws' whims by apologizing for another MCP's mistakes - then me thinks Pratigya is best being an educated stupid girl!!!😆

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