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Posted: 11 years ago
#41
awesome post lachii
agree with you ... That they made many things sidelined
but I thought they will be showing at least the income tax ride and avdhoot case getting solved
like who is the caller for all these and all
I think if this gets solved some of Jyothi problem will get solved
but these are all sidelined bcoz of trp
the CVS turns their story how the public wants to see it
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Posted: 11 years ago
#42

Originally posted by: lachii


the show is fast paced, yet story is broadly on a standstill...

its time to move on ...or else it giving me impression of dragging to keep on curiousity...

the story of swati is very very crucial, more crucial than any other thing...as it will justify, or not justify shlok...

so i am getting the feeling, either cvs are not confident about it
or they are trying to keep it hot, till they can...but it will only drag the show...

one-day life of a lion is better than 100-days of a jackal !!


Loved that line in @bold, Sonia (am I right?) They will... they will. I have a feeling they have started to open up Shlok's layers slowly. I am also waiting for it eagerly.
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Posted: 11 years ago
#43

Originally posted by: asthak


Loved that line in @bold, Sonia (am I right?) They will... they will. I have a feeling they have started to open up Shlok's layers slowly. I am also waiting for it eagerly.


sonia it is

*fingers crossed*
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Posted: 11 years ago
#44

Originally posted by: dakshaavi

most of the changes in tracks are made in rush at the last moment and that is the reason we don't see complete intensity in those scene or editing issues or skip in issues like avadhooth case.

These things should be avoided otherwise even after having good actors ,good story ,great director the shows will loose intensity.

agree word by word

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Lachii,

You have raised valid points. Some of the tracks are sidelined because they are concentrating on Astha and Shlok's relationship. Jyoti's track is usually shown when they show similarities/dissimilarities between her and Astha's situation. Avdhoot's track will go on side by side. Also the compulsions of daily soap dictate that CVs usually do not go linear as ratings are always the main factor.

After taking a serial too seriously couple of years ago, I now watch any Hindi soap without expectations as director/story/writers can change at a drop of a hat. Usually even a very good show gets spoiled anywhere from 6-12 months. If there were predetermined numbers of episodes for each show, then only a show will have a proper beginning, middle and ending. Saying all this, this show so far has kept more or less all characterizations quite consistent at least in 5 months.

There are two characters whose characterizations may have changed. One is Avdhoot and other is Varad. Varad was shown as someone who was detached from his father. But now he is shown seeking his approval. But in case of Varad, it is ok because Varad's thoughts/loyalties were always a mystery. So even if they show him this way, all his actions can be explained.

Avdhoot is the one who was shown wary about Niranjan and the one who supported Astha though Kalindi was pressurizing Astha to accept Shlok. Avdhoot is now shown quite weakened. It can be explained so far because Avdhoot made a deal with the devil (Niranjan) and hence might be deluding himself that Niranjan is a good guy because of guilty conscience. But my worry is whether they will weaken Avdhoot at the expense of Kalindi. So far his actions can be explained as he is the patient one compared to impatient Kalindi. Also he has always given space to Astha and still now not telling her to return to Shlok. He is giving her time to come to a conclusion. But I don't want a weak Avdhoot at the expense of strong Kalindi just to show women power. Avdhoot married a scarred divorcee and he gave her love. So he can not be a weak person. And both parents can be shown strong in their own way.

As far as abuse is concerned, I don't think they are diluting it so far. Otherwise, they would not use "domestic violence" for Shlok. Shlok is a redeemable character as they have always shown him a grey character with some mental issues. Abhay and Niranjan are two characters who can not be redeemed in any form. So the best resolution would be to show Jyoti and Anjali independent from their husbands.

In the end, I reiterate that it is a daily soap. So do not expect much. So far I am enjoying the complex characters, great direction and good acting from all.
Edited by Angie12 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Angie12

Lachii,


You have raised valid points. Some of the tracks are sidelined because they are concentrating on Astha and Shlok's relationship. Jyoti's track is usually shown when they show similarities/dissimilarities between her and Astha's situation. Avdhoot's track will go on side by side. Also the compulsions of daily soap dictate that CVs usually do not go linear as ratings are always the main factor.

After taking a serial too seriously couple of years ago, I now watch any Hindi soap without expectations as director/story/writers can change at a drop of a hat. Usually even a very good show gets spoiled anywhere from 6-12 months. If there were predetermined numbers of episodes for each show, then only a show will have a proper beginning, middle and ending. Saying all this, this show so far has kept more or less all characterizations quite consistent at least in 5 months.

There are two characters whose characterizations may have changed. One is Avdhoot and other is Varad. Varad was shown as someone who was detached from his father. But now he is shown seeking his approval. But in case of Varad, it is ok because Varad's thoughts/loyalties were always a mystery. So even if they show him this way, all his actions can be explained.

Avdhoot is the one who was shown wary about Niranjan and the one who supported Astha though Kalindi was pressurizing Astha to accept Shlok. Avdhoot is now shown quite weakened. It can be explained so far because Avdhoot made a deal with the devil (Niranjan) and hence might be deluding himself that Niranjan is a bad guy. But my worry is whether they will weaken Avdhoot at the expense of Kalindi. So far his actions can be explained as he is the patient one compared to impatient Kalindi. Also he has always given space to Astha and still now not telling her to return to Shlok. He is giving her time to come to a conclusion. But I don't want a weak Avdhoot at the expense of strong Kalindi just to show women power. Avdhoot married a scarred divorcee and he gave her love. So he can not be a weak person. And both parents can be shown strong in their own way.

As far as abuse is concerned, I don't think they are diluting it so far. Otherwise, they would not use "domestic violence" for Shlok. Shlok is a redeemable character as they have always shown him a grey character with some mental issues. Abhay and Niranjan are two characters who can not be redeemed in any form. So the best resolution would be to show Jyoti and Anjali independent from their husbands.

In the end, I reiterate that it is a daily soap. So do not expect much. So far I am enjoying the complex characters, great direction and good acting from all.


Loved your reply Angie, I like what you said in @bold. Shlok is definitely a redeemable character, the day he understand that he indeed loves Astha and accepts it , his character change will start. He has these positive traits in him due to which he is redeemable. NA and Abhay are unlike him, they are evil-personified.
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Posted: 11 years ago
#47

Originally posted by: asthak


Loved your reply Angie, I like what you said in @bold. Shlok is definitely a redeemable character, the day he understand that he indeed loves Astha and accepts it , his character change will start. He has these positive traits in him due to which he is redeemable. NA and Abhay are unlike him, they are evil-personified.


Asthak, Thanks. They have shown torment in Shlok and have shown his positive characteristics. Also they have shown that deep down he does not discriminate between men and women. But he is also a product of abusive environment. He considers his father his idol and hence his beliefs are influenced by Niranjan. He was more child like in the jungle because Niranjan was not there to manipulate him. He also takes more after Anjali than Niranjan. So he is the person who can change especially when he realizes that his idol has feet of clay.

But there will be a major letdown if they show Abhay/Niranjan getting redeemed and Jyoti/Anjali forgiving them. Such evil people do not change. These two are shown enjoy inflicting pain. So such characters can neither be redeemed nor forgiven.


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Posted: 11 years ago
#48

Originally posted by: asthak


Loved your reply Angie, I like what you said in @bold. Shlok is definitely a redeemable character, the day he understand that he indeed loves Astha and accepts it , his character change will start. He has these positive traits in him due to which he is redeemable. NA and Abhay are unlike him, they are evil-personified.


thank you angie for your comment...and a very balanced one...agree to everything you said...

okay as everyone is sayin...i am leaving my expectations aside...😊 though i do not expect much from them anyway

i only wished for a bit balance in the "story progression" and "current events"

as i see story progression and current events differently

current events are the way things are going...the emotions, the intensity, the decisions being taken, daily this and that

basic story and its progression is the cause of all these things...the lose ends they are creating but not progressing them

i reiterate, i am not being impatient about the end, i know this is a daily soap which they want to run for ages...

all i am saying is, they are creating stories within stories, but not progressing them, i am not saying that they show the whole story all at once or show the "end" of every person's story...but tehy should progress the story of each person steadily

having said the above, i understand what angie said, this can be achieved only if the number of episodes was fixed...so they had a proper starting, climax and ending...

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Posted: 11 years ago
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i agree but i think first they want to make shlok a supporter of women n for that shlok needs to realise that he loves astha n that's y all this chaos is happeng...when he will realise, get a liitle weak n also a bit distant from his baba then only he can understand the matter u are trying to discuss.

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