Provoked - Your views

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Posted: 18 years ago
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Most of you must have heard about the new Ash movie Provoked. The movie is an actual depiction of Kiranjit Ahluwalia's life. Kiranjit Ahluwalia was a battered Punjabi woman who killed her husband and was sentenced to prison but released after 3 years with the help of Southhall Black sisters (SBS). She was presented a bravery award.

To throw more light

http://ia.rediff.com/movies/2007/apr/03kiranjit.htm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/1651234.stm

All of us agree that there is no excuse for domestic violence but

1. Is killing justified in any case?

2. Do you believe in her story?

3. Does one deserve a bravery award for murder, whatever the circumstances be?

More comments are welcome.

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Posted: 18 years ago
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I agree with anita and will comment later when I see it / read about it. 😃
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Thanks Ani for the prompt response. If you need I can post more links. The movie is going to be one sided as in from Kiranjit's viewpoint. So if you post your views after watching the movie it is going to be biased.😃

She received a bravery award from Mrs.Tony Blair.

QT, same is applicable to you😆

Edited by Maya_M - 18 years ago
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Very Very thought Provoking Maya!

1. Is killing justified in any case?
I have wondered a lot over this question, even before I heard of this movie. And I think, it is justified in some cases. If I am in danger and the only way out for me will be life-threatening for the person who is dangerous to me, I think I would do anything possible to save my self. E.g., If I was kidnapped and was lucky enough to have an upper hand over my abductor, I would definitely do whatever it takes to free myself. As harsh or cruel as it might sound, depending on the danger I might go all the way. Though, realistically speaking I think I will be too frightened and s**t scared to do anything😉. But yes, I do believe that if killing is the only way out to save oneself, then it is justified as a means of self-defence.

2. Do you believe in her story?
I do not know her story in great detail, but from what I have read: yes I do believe her.

3. Does one deserve a bravery award for murder, whatever the circumstances be?
My first reaction to this question was NO. But then I was reminded of the bravery awards given to children on Republic Day (I am not too sure about the day). I don't know if any of them have actually involved murders, but if a kid in the process of saving oneself or others had to resort to that, then I would applaud them for their bravery. And why just kids, if a threat to the society has been murdered in not so easy circumstances that is bravery in my opinion. We do award medals to our soldiers fighting on the warfront for their bravery, don't we? Those blazing guns are actually killing people at the other end, but it's done for self-defense and we as a nation feel proud of our soldiers!

So yeah, from what I know about KA, she had been abused mentally, physically and sexually and I do think she had been provoked enough for her to take the extreme step.
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: Maya_M

Thanks Ani for the prompt response. If you need I can post more links. The movie is going to be one sided as in from Kiranjit's viewpoint. So if you post your views after watching the movie it is going to be biased.😃

She received a bravery award from Mrs.Tony Blair.

QT, same is applicable to you😆



Okay. I read and since am not allowed to watch before posting, I still agree with Anita 😆😆😆
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: Maya_M

All of us agree that there is no excuse for domestic violence but

1. Is killing justified in any case?

In case of self defense or if saving anyone else

2. Do you believe in her story?

I think I know why the question😆

but From what I read, yes I do, and fat chance we are going to know the other side

3. Does one deserve a bravery award for murder, whatever the circumstances be?

if saving some else, yes, but then is it called murder?

More comments are welcome.

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Posted: 18 years ago
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very nice topic. i don't know the story but agree with ani until i read more 😛.
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: mermaid_QT


Okay. I read and since am not allowed to watch before posting, I still agree with Anita 😆😆😆

QT pie, as someone who works for battered women I would love to read your views but impartial please😉. Stop agreeing with Ani and don't you dare watch the movie first without commenting here😆😆.

Let me use Google chachi for more on this.

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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: sareg

3. Does one deserve a bravery award for murder, whatever the circumstances be?

if saving some else, yes, but then is it called murder?

I would like to know that too. What actually constitues murder?

Edited by Sound - 18 years ago
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: Maya_M

QT pie, as someone who works for battered women I would love to read your views but impartial please😉. Stop agreeing with Ani and don't you dare watch the movie first without commenting here😆😆.

Let me use Google chachi for more on this.



I commented on this post Maya, check BELOW now, as I moved the post for you. Since you brought up my input in relation to working for battered womne, I have few things to add.

1. Most of our clients are dependent on their husbands for everything. Not being confident enough to hold a regular job (one that does not require education) is what makes many of them HELPLESS. As much as I blame the husband for taking advantage of that, I FIRST BLAME the PARENTS. Educate her, give her confidence so that she can ATLEAST defend herself.

2. Most of the clients have sincere hopes to make the marriage work and we support them all the way. In some cases ABUSE stops, but when it does not, the women know who to call and what to do. None of mine have ever said that they would want to KILL the beast. They have said things like "hopefully he'll just die some day" .. I know, even typing such makes me shiver.. hearing them as they weep, is dreadful.. Even in KIRAN's case, I am wondering how INTENTIONAL it was. She does say, I had nothing else I could do- suggesting intention??

3. I am surprised by the neighbours. Mostly, clients we deal with admit that police interference happened since neighbours heard and called (yes, in US, where many people assume nobody cares for anybody since they don;t poke their nose in every business of their neighbour 😉😆) But apparently, the community is aware of such individuals and very many times, watchfull.

4. As I said, it was a good gesture on the Govt.'s part to offer her the honour, but she could and should IMO have denied it. That would have set a stronger example of raising voice against domestic violence and not committing crime to prevent it. It is people like her, who FAIL TO REACH OUT.. In some ways, it is their fault and largely their culture and UPBRINGING should be blamed for this. 🤢🤢

(some of the above opinions may be too harsh for some, apologies in that case and please ignore)

Edited by mermaid_QT - 18 years ago

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