Jalal as Father - Page 2

Originally posted by: history_geek

BTW...
Another clarification...

It was mainly salima and hamida who played a major part in reconciliation between salim and akbar.
This is from akbarnama.

There is not A TRACE of RUQU's name there. Plz do not recreate history again, after searching internet.!!!!..

Again this does not means heera had no say in this conciliation. I ll say just read the chronicles to get it cleared yourself.

Thanx.

Originally posted by: myviewprem

Originally posted by: adianasr

From some of the books on Jehangir that I have read, he had a bitter-sweet relation with his mom MUZ. This it seems to be from his own explanation, was due to the fact that she would side more with Akbar over him but it also seemed to me that there was the petulance of a son's jealousy towards his father for his mother's attention. But the fact that MUZ continued to get the same respect after Akbar's death speaks a lot about mother-son relation. Also pls remember it was Jehangir who built the MUZ mosque in Lahore and his mother's tomb close to Akbar's tomb (at a distance of 1 km)!!! Definitely Jehangir must have realised what Akbar and MUZ meant to each other!!!

As for upbringing, Salim was not a hard drinker like his brothers or like MH who died of the extremeties od drink. He was more of a creative genius who loved the arts and was like all artists very eccentric.

Salim's rebellion started around 1599 and all thru was low key. And frankly I would not blame him. Think of this here is the crown prince at the age of 30 chaffing at the bit to rule but father still going strong - Akbar was in the best of health all his life!!! - And to top it all he had to measure up to a Man, a ruler, a warrior, a strategist and an administrator like Akbar!!!

Akbar became ruler at the age of 13. What would have happened had Humayun lived longer I wonder. In a way perhaps it was a blessing for both Akbar and Salim that Salim was born when Akbar was 27. Imagine had he been born earlier!!! I would also say it was a blessing for both Akbar and Salim that Murad and Daniyal died even when Akbar lived ensuring Salim did not have to face all those saazishes from family that Akbar faced!!!

I would not be surprised that Akbar also may have understood this aspect as he was such a good reader of human psyche and perhaps that may have been the reason he forgave Salim so easily. Bechara Akbar perhaps could not even abdicate in favor of Salim knowing that as long as he was alive the ppl would not accept anyone else as the Emperor!!!

Originally posted by: history_geek

OMG.!!!
Adi...👏...

Even i am telling same thing here..from page-1...
Your views in bold are really soothing.

Salim was not that bad also...😊...
We should look at positive aspects as well...

Originally posted by: tamy267

Salim was a spoilt child ! don't know why...whereas Jalal and Jodha both were nice human beings..I guess over pampering made him brat...after all he was born after many years...besides when there is a tiff b/w Jalal and Salim, Jodha used to take Jalal's side which used to upset Salim deeply.

Originally posted by: history_geek

😆
🤣

arre..!!!!
cool down tamy...!!!...😆..happy new year...🥳

@bold
u r totally correct.

@red
he was good also..apni mom ki bahut respect karta tha after Akbar died..
read page 1 and 2.
also...many good things are written about him..

gussa nhi karo yar...😆...let 2013 leave with happiness..

P.S. -> FIRST time, i am giving such a comment in the forum APART from history...😆

Originally posted by: adianasr

From some of the books on Jehangir that I have read, he had a bitter-sweet relation with his mom MUZ. This it seems to be from his own explanation, was due to the fact that she would side more with Akbar over him but it also seemed to me that there was the petulance of a son's jealousy towards his father for his mother's attention. But the fact that MUZ continued to get the same respect after Akbar's death speaks a lot about mother-son relation. Also pls remember it was Jehangir who built the MUZ mosque in Lahore and his mother's tomb close to Akbar's tomb (at a distance of 1 km)!!! Definitely Jehangir must have realised what Akbar and MUZ meant to each other!!!

As for upbringing, Salim was not a hard drinker like his brothers or like MH who died of the extremeties od drink. He was more of a creative genius who loved the arts and was like all artists very eccentric.

Salim's rebellion started around 1599 and all thru was low key. And frankly I would not blame him. Think of this here is the crown prince at the age of 30 chaffing at the bit to rule but father still going strong - Akbar was in the best of health all his life!!! - And to top it all he had to measure up to a Man, a ruler, a warrior, a strategist and an administrator like Akbar!!!

Akbar became ruler at the age of 13. What would have happened had Humayun lived longer I wonder. In a way perhaps it was a blessing for both Akbar and Salim that Salim was born when Akbar was 27. Imagine had he been born earlier!!! I would also say it was a blessing for both Akbar and Salim that Murad and Daniyal died even when Akbar lived ensuring Salim did not have to face all those saazishes from family that Akbar faced!!!

I would not be surprised that Akbar also may have understood this aspect as he was such a good reader of human psyche and perhaps that may have been the reason he forgave Salim so easily. Bechara Akbar perhaps could not even abdicate in favor of Salim knowing that as long as he was alive the ppl would not accept anyone else as the Emperor!!!