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Posted: 11 years ago
#91
Excellent post Ivy. My exact same thoughts although I can never express as eloquently as you.

I for one was never impressed with her solo scenes either. Always thought she held back and has this air of arrogance and got confused if it's Kumud or J. Anyways this project spelled disaster right from the first rumor leaked about J. I can only say GR deserved better.

And the storyline is seriously boring. Not to mention Kusum line maroying Saras. Enough ALREADY.😡
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Arshi... Thanks for posting CB everyday. This is the only thread I read without fail in this forum. Thanks for giving everyone the opportunity to voice their unbiased opinion.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Hgg bhai..my comments on your post!



1. - Under Nayi Soch bunkum it will allow a wife to leave the marriage...
- But no matter how right her reasons for leaving she is not allowed to enjoy her freedom because that goes against its core TRP audience...bad patis have to be reformed or suffered and not kicked out...

2.- In the end of the novel...Saras & Kusum spent the rest of their lives in a model village caring for the poor...In the modern setting its this damn school...This is where it is going to end for Saras.

3.- In the end of the novel...Saras & Kusum spent the rest of their lives in a model village caring for the poor...In the modern setting its this damn school...This is where it is going to end for Saras. - Kalika roams around freely everywhere in RN and people don't mind.

Hi Hgg bhai,

Lovely take as usual! I love how you always see far more than meets the eye! Wish I could!

Few pointers...sorry if someone has mentioned this later in the CB..me just making my way through as usual.

Point 1: I don't think that SP have shut that door of a bad marriage vs women's freedom. Its just natural in the given circumstances that you aren't just going to split up with your husband and go running to your ex. Even then they have showed how Kumud is still wanting to do everything for Saras but for the love and need to be together..that will take time.

Sadly, they are playing the card of Kusum but I have a tiny ray of hope still that this is just a twist and yes Kumud will go through the whole sacrificing herself part but that's something she would've done had Kusum fallen for Saras before she got married to Pramaad,

In that essence, here in this show...her being a divorcee etc will have nothing to do with Kusum and Saras. It all boils down to Kumud's nature of doing anything for her family.

Punar vivaah' is the in thing in TV world at the moment. Its been shown in many channels already and I am sure SP will want to take this route just to prove to the audience that they keep this nayi soch'.

Point 2: Nahiiin! Aisa mat bolo! The most tragic ending for this show will be the above or even if no Kusum..will be that oh Saras and Kumud don't get married but just do samaaj seva. You have scared me here Hgg bhai. If your prediction comes true..I will have to take sanyaas from hindi serials.

Point 3 - Logic ki vaat! Even I felt the same that all these pple they are going to look so ghareeb and all but jab Saras Kumud takraaye tab bhool gayi mein logic as my heart went beat beat beat!

I like the school track because the underlying reasonings are dil ko choon jaane waali baat. When Saras finds out that Kumud has done this for him...That day will mark history I hope. I can already imagine it..Gautam's effortless expressions here will be to die for.

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Posted: 11 years ago
#94

Originally posted by: Infofan



@ bold - Its no secret that I find the sibling love angle revolting. I was hoping the CVs had more sense than to go down that path here especially since they had deviated a lot from the novel.

Its wrong, its immoral IMHO.

One has no control over one's heart so Kusum can not help but fall in love with Saras - 🤢🤢 I am not buying this. I would prefer watching saas-wohu shows.

I think its time for me to call it quits, I mean watching... will be visiting the CB ofcourse😳

There are plenty of other mindless watch it and forget it type shows I can waste my time on😳

Nandy..Gautam ke liye dekh ti ja yaar! and dw,..SAMUD will become one I have faith...what I don't have faith in is SP who will give us one finale epi with SAMUD..and there is no way I am just making do with one episode! I want to see much much more.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: mini7

I will make my attempt to be as optimistic as Shana 😊

The fact that Guiniyal has sensed the Kusum nonsense is actually good...She is the only one in Desaii family who knows about SAmUD PMS...No mom will and should allow that puke worthy nauseating scenario to be realized...

omg when you put it like that it seriously makes me want to puke! sooo sooo wrong it gives me chills down my spine!! Hopefully all Kusum is, is meera...and Saras isn't Krishna anyway..he is Ram.😊
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: pasumarthisa

Hgg ji,

I was about say the same thing about school becoming a huge thing for them.

My doomsday prediction is similar but slightly different.

Kumud will say to Saras," look we could not make it together in life. And I have raised enough storms by walking out of marriage. Look at Kusum. She has lot of 'Bhakti' for you. She will be an ideal partner. Move on with her. and tumhe meri kasam".

Then Kumud will settle as the principal of that school as she has those 'payal' of saras's mom and believes in fulfilling his dreams.

But hope I am wrong.

@ Santhi..I have no words to say to the above..all I can do is 😭😭😭😭
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: -Ivy-

Arshi ji 🤗 What an epi to come back to 😆 Sorry for being flippant... I am kinda, over SC now... Lollipops of Saras-Kumud, GR ain't enough to tempt me back 😳


Thank you friends, for all the concern and for missing me 🤗... I am absolutely fine, just had some personal commitments come up that caused me to forego CB for a while. Plus a tiny part of me is relieved I won't need to catch up on epi's of the status quo 😃

Nandy ji - Sahi baat ki. Nothing to analyse. My suspension of disbelief meter has been given such a merciless workout that it has quit on me. And bereft of requisite defences, I've quit watching SC 😉

Hgg Bhai... This is all quite interesting, really. Kumud & Saras ka identikit todna padha mujhe, but SC off-screen ka ik zabardast identikit bana hai... The building blocks for what we are seeing now, were laid even before the first epi aired. This is purely from an industry perspective so please indulge. And waise bhi, show khatam hone ke baad, SLB ko jab Ram-Leela se fursat mile tab toh ye sab bahar aane hi wala hai =)

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To start with the overarching SC narrative... The structure was 'traditional'... This was SLB's adaptation to have Saras-Kumud meet and for romance to bloom. The 'source' had none of this, and was shown 'going-back'... This 'romance period' IMHO, should have been the most painstakingly laid building block and also should have been the most prolonged part... The tagline touted but three and it was a simple but brilliant narrative strategy:

(1) Muqammal Mohabbat ki (2) Adhoori Dastaan... Jald (3) Hogi poori.

Muqammal Mohabbat...

Alas, they faltered and stumbled badly on the very first part. Full blame rests with SLB for his tunnel vision. He should have seen the warning signs there and then. Not to undermine married artists in the least, but Jennifer came 'shackled' into the project. To give her credit, she did walk out at first and the primordial mistake was to get her back and to concede to the demands of her no intimacy contract, when the brief was all about emotional intimacy. Anyone would have ballooned with the thought: See, they came running back to me. Jennifer may be the best Kumud, but IMHO Kumud needed to be an actress without such obvious limitations in the romance department or preferably with a less insecure hubby. To add to that, let's face it, our leads don't get along with each other. According to 'source' in the beginning days of SC, J took the tag of a "married woman" extremely seriously, there was no trace of even comradeship from her side. And when the male is warned that his very fingers are being kept a watch at, of course those digits will shake when they reach out for contact. So part one, was wrecked, the chemistry stagnated. The touch me not romance, turned many viewers off, and the off-screen tantrums didn't help either. SLB decided (over the objections of SP) that he had to cut his losses on the 'Muqammal Mohabbat' front... He knew there was a lot that was still to be shown and he damn well could have beautifully illustrated Muqammal Mohabbat, drawing on subtleties and making Saras-Kumud equation even stronger and poignant, remember this was the man who had orchestrated the amazingly soulful romance of Khamoshi, but Jennifer was not willing to play ball... Not with Gautam. And after being relentlessly mocked and thoughtlessly dragged into someone else's marital drama, even GR put his foot down. That is when SLB started contemplating a Kumud replacement but SP stepped in, tightened the purse strings and told him, no dice. To look for a replacement was a headache they were not willing to cut slack for. And thus, the second part was unceremoniously ushered in, with SLB's exit stage left.

Adhoori Dastaan...

This was the most botched-up phase. The production shifted hands and slowly, from one banal epi to the next... SC turned from being a prestigious Adaptation, into just another on the SP assembly line. I will still maintain that SO are merely caretakers... And this gesture of helming SC is going to earn them an absurd amount of goodwill from Star. Also note that SLB still shines in the 'Created and Adapted by" bit... This is very clever. The buck still stops with SLB. But the show now resembles something straight outta his very worst nightmares. Let's also address Aanshul here... Jennifer does not have any issues with him... He can touch without counting fingers and can post pictures online without fear of someone throwing a hissy fit. Why? Does this mean GR is infact the one who has problems and not Jennifer? Most definitely not. Apparently AT was a part of the DMG team and as such he is 'kosher'. Because Pati Parmeshwar has deemed so, Jennifer has no problems with Kumud bearing the brunt of Pramad's atrocities. Woh chahe maare, pite, ya jalaye... Bas Saras rehna chahiye chaar kadam ki doori par. Aur Saras (GR) 100 miles door hi khush hai 😉

Hogi Poori...

This phase thus, can never be adequately realised... Jennifer's contract still stands. Any romance is even suggested and the 100 crore whale is gonna walk out on another vacation to cool her jets down. How can SP have that when the show revolves like a puppy around Kumud's heels? And now, GR's not the least bit interested in touching her either. Another feature of 'adaptation' has come to bite the powers-that-be on their 'tooh's'... Sanyasi ko bana diya Romeo. Now Saras cannot exist without Kumud in the show. His love for her has been made his raison d etre. Utterly and completely. And they cannot 'linger' upon a culmination of that love, forget even a re-start, because of off-screen tensions. So what's left? Mindless nautanki's by Pramad, whom they are using as a desperate measure to provide what they believe passes for 'nail-biting' drama. And with that, Kusum... And a 100% revert to the source OR Kusum now, to spike our blood pressures till we are comatose and then a hurried half-baked, Saras-Kumud reunion with curtains down on the show. For its pedestrian and 'appealing' TRP factor, my bet is tentatively on the latter. Even though the former, I regret to say, cannot be considered out-of-hand. Any End is possible. Only given is that, the End is scarily near.

...& in the midst of the trainwreck of SC a possibility has emerged, a spin-off Saraswatichandra, with sanyasi as sanyasi, a story of unfettered love and the saga of an inspirational MAN can even be attempted at a later date. If someone in Indian telly has the guts for it, that is.

Ivy...welcome back dear! I am not an avid fan of Jenny or anything like that so not taking sides here but isn't the above just based on rumours and articles...I agree that the other half may not like her doing intimate scenes and all and Jenny may not have been comfortable either but I think they still are able to create an electrifying chemistry.
SLB's intimacy definition indeed goes all out..If you see Ram-Leela's promos you can clearly see that its all about touch me here there and everywhere! but I don't think that Gautam and Jenny have at all failed to create magic. They have successfully done this without stooping to any levels.
The scene where the Saras kisses Kumud's hand...that was passionate enough
The scene where the pillar falls on both and Kumud tries to protect Saras..to me that's intense
The recent scene with the fire..that was pretty magical and intense.
Perhaps I am misunderstanding what you are saying iske liye sorry but I really think the problem was the producer rather than the actors.
TV works very different to the film medium and I don't think SLB understood this. He never made an effort to even visit the sets to see whats going on (and I have mentioned this before and again that this is Gautam's own words from UK meet and greet)
Then there were the money problems..If Jenny's situation has any substance to it then this must do as well...Lead actors could've walked out at that time but they didn't.
Lets just say that it takes two to tango right!
My personal opinion is that since the new PH has taken over and since ending this whole supressed Kumud situation, the story has taken a new turn for the good. I am actually enjoying watching the show after ages.
Yes there are twists and turns we don't like but if they weren't then audience would stop watching as the show then becomes boring.
Pple want to see SAMUD but a SAMUD that re unites after all trials and tribulations will have a much bigger impact on viewers than a SAMUD uniting cos now Kumud is free from her marriage. That wont sit well with anyone as its never so simple or realistic. No matter how modern one is, you wouldn't get divorced one day and marry someone else the next.
Ivy, I have immense respect for you and your intelligence so if I have got this all wrong then maaf kar dena!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Arshics

Ivy,

Welcome back missed you here.

Hmm, kya bolain?

Saras and his love for Kumud and GRs honest portrayal are the only constants in the story which veers from one bizarre extreme to another.

For Kumud, has sadly not badly able to rise above the typical SP bahu.

She quickly abandoned him bapu ki izzat ke liye - could be understood and accepted, because to be dumped on the eve of wedding is a huge be izzati, and so the timing was such that she had to take a snap decision.

She wanted the marriage to work in early days - could be understand, for an already dead and dumped Kumud would take time to return to her conscious self and see the reality.

Thereafter it stopped making sense.

Why did she stay on? What was that pramaad sudhar, Kanha, shiv parallel? Why was it about her haar and jeet?

And what were her feelings for Saras ? She seemed to have again abandoned him in her quest for mahanta in the eyes of her new and old family.

Today, again when the poor boy is all starting to hope again, not one of us trusts Kumud to not again abandon him to be mahan in the eyes of her parivar

Not one of us trusts her to stand up say, this man here has suffered so much for me, and he is not a football to be kicked from this court to the next.

Such has been the character of Kumud - she will always put her family above him and will not hesitate to make him the bakra , to win brownie points from bapu.

And he, he is the sanyasi, his love is the true Bhakti, he has kept himself out of the equation from the day he made that phone call.

For him it's been always about her and her alone.

But she, for her, he is extremely dispensable. Hence the very question crops up with this kusum track

Is this mukkamal pyaar, pyaar at all for Kumud? For it's the first thing she is known to sacrifice time and again, to preserve her other relationships.

She is a typical sp bahu, parivar, balidan izzat, ladai, blah blah ...

Here inspite of trying not to, I am beginning to agree with Toni and Veera. Her lack of love will be proved once an for all if she pushes him to kusum.

The pyaar and dastaan unfortunately seems to be only his

arrey yaar kyu sab Kumud ke peechey pare ho?!! lol!
nicely said Arshi and I do agree with your points to a certain extent. But then I guess its shown like this because this show is about Saras's journey?
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Hi Kat, sorry to interfere but I'd like to indulge. Hope you don't mind😊
Kumud is earning the brickbats because of how 'waywardly' CVs have handled her character growth. Just when you think that she's all back, she goes back to square one which may be tolerated once or twice but not multiple times.

It's highly understandable that a woman like Kumud, who hasn't faced the wrath of fate till the day of Saras's betrayal, to make crass decision. Goes onto show her fixed mindset. Inability to see past obstacles. Contrast this with Saras; he's had a traumatic childhood, witnessing your mom committing suicide at a tender age is the worst kind of punishment anybody can have. In his own words, in one of those initial epis, when she was clinging onto to get his maafi," I've learnt to win over my obstacles; you shall learn as well". This shows the growth mindset in him; adversity propels towards excellence. Although I didn't like how they put introverted nature as a 'shade of grey', that's for another day to debate over.

Coming back to Kumud, let's say that Pramad reform mission is just her way of getting back to her 'winning' ways. A survival mechanism. Ok, it's still not her innate nature to put up with BS, but still let's just say, it's her destiny. Once that failed, she goes back and returns the same day without giving any second thoughts into how a despicable person could change so soon. The old Kumud would have seen right through. We think this nonsense is getting tedious, but still..let's put up.

And then she ultimately realizes her folly in the almost funeral pyre and Saras's words comes back and hit her hard. But again, she is blest with divine Providence. She's rescued. Defends her father and Saras in front of the village fools. And we go, this woman's back to her senses finally!

Now she willfully bails her mongrel husband out because she doesn't wanna hurt her in-laws under the divorce condition. But the devious arse that he is, he double-crosses. But she still stands her ground even after he sets the factory on fire. Still no police complaint. But resorts to playing games to get him sign the divorce papers...again! Quid pro quo, as if the son of a... would abide by the rules this time around.

And what's with retaining S without any rhyme or reason? He may not mind, but shouldn't she be, after all that he's done for her? The man along with his brother settling in a village and indulging in menial jobs when you're being indecisive is the worst form of repayment to all that Saras has done to his love. That's all folks!

Edit: Her character doesn't stand a chance of redemption at all. Given that the TRPs have taken a quantum leap and the makers are optimizing the story line, all I can see is the continuation of this tasteless drama!

Typing from phone, excuse any errors. Have a good day/night!
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Posted: 11 years ago

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Hi Kat, sorry to interfere but I'd like to indulge. Hope you don't mind😊

Kumud is earning the brickbats because of how 'waywardly' CVs have handled her character growth. Just when you think that she's all back, she goes back to square one which may be tolerated once or twice but not multiple times.

It's highly understandable that a woman like Kumud, who hasn't faced the wrath of fate till the day of Saras's betrayal, to make crass decision. Goes onto show her fixed mindset. Inability to see past obstacles. Contrast this with Saras; he's had a traumatic childhood, witnessing your mom committing suicide at a tender age is the worst kind of punishment anybody can have. In his own words, in one of those initial epis, when she was clinging onto to get his maafi," I've learnt to win over my obstacles; you shall learn as well". This shows the growth mindset in him; adversity propels towards excellence. Although I didn't like how they put introverted nature as a 'shade of grey', that's for another day to debate over.

Coming back to Kumud, let's say that Pramad reform mission is just her way of getting back to her 'winning' ways. A survival mechanism. Ok, it's still not her innate nature to put up with BS, but still let's just say, it's her destiny. Once that failed, she goes back and returns the same day without giving any second thoughts into how a despicable person could change so soon. The old Kumud would have seen right through. We think this nonsense is getting tedious, but still..let's put up.

And then she ultimately realizes her folly in the almost funeral pyre and Saras's words comes back and hit her hard. But again, she is blest with divine Providence. She's rescued. Defends her father and Saras in front of the village fools. And we go, this woman's back to her senses finally!

Now she willfully bails her mongrel husband out because she doesn't wanna hurt her in-laws under the divorce condition. But the devious arse that he is, he double-crosses. But she still stands her ground even after he sets the factory on fire. Still no police complaint. But resorts to playing games to get him sign the divorce papers...again! Quid pro quo, as if the son of a... would abide by the rules this time around😆

And what's with retaining S without any rime or reason? he may not mind, but shouldn't she be, after all that he's done for him? The man along with his brother settling in a village and indulging in menial jobs when you're being indecisive is the biggest repayment to all that saras has done to his love. That's all folks!

Typing from phone, excuse any errors. Have a good day/night!

Heyy, thanks for posting your comments! Due to the different time zones whenever I come to CB its like a bhoot bangla! Although I must say I still enjoy reading it and making comments!

Kumud's always been strong minded and egotistical. I think she only faltered at the one point where she thought she isnt capable of living without Saras. Remember her breakdown scene when Saras says he cant marry her. She was unable to even think how she would survive without him. The day she did his so called antim sanskaar up at the terrace burning all his things..she died with that. Saras's Kumud died.

After her marriage, a new Kumud was born. She had lost all faith in love..this marriage was just a way to make out that she has moved on from him. What followed we all saw and yes we wanted Kumud to stand up to Pramaad but Kumud has always lived for others. Rightly so pointed by Arshi that many times she has put others before Saras but I don't think that at all signifies that her love is less for him.

They have had different childhoods like you rightly so said. Saras has always been alone and there comes one girl who turns his world around so she is the centre point of his wolrd but Kumud has been brought up in an environment where they share their love...her way is different but she would equally sacrifice herself for him.

Her asking him to stay back..kis haqq se right? And why should he? Because yet again she needs him? No I don't see it like that. They both cant live without each other and all Saras was yearning for was for Kumud to say stay back' and her argument was do I need to tell you this..isnt this already implied.

She told him she needs him when she starts a new life then what about his? Well, again they are connected as one...like he would be able to start a new life...her new life doesn't mean that she wants to get married to someone else and have his blessing at their wedding..her new life means walking on the same path alongside him.

I totally agree though that Saras's love for her is far greater than hers for him but she has consistently shown her love for him aswell. Everytime he gets hurt, she comes running. If he is happy and smiling, she smiles. They are intertwined. One does not exist without another.

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