Arjun DOTW 14th October

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Hi forum-wasion, after a long time DOTW is back.
This week Discussion topic is
SHOULD CRIMINAL JUSTICE FOCUS MORE ON REHABILITATION?

I have come up with this topic, keeping in mind that the discussion should be related to the show.
Arjun is a crime show. But after the case is solved what happens to the criminals? Some criminals ka Arjun ke haatho mein encounter hota hai. But some are sent to jail and prosecuted.
The criminal justice system comprises many distinct stages, including arrest, prosecution, trial, sentencing, and punishment (quite often in the form of imprisonment).
Should the criminal justice system focus more on rehabilitation than on retribution?


What is your say on this? Are you for it or against it? We have the whole week until next weekend... so everyone please participate. And let's have a healthy discussion. You may as well use certain facts or stats you have to support your discussion.

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Posted: 12 years ago
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yes, and no. yes: it does help, to some extent and in some cases. But! When these people go back home, they come in the same environment, which means the same old friends and the chances that they go back to their old ways are really high. Unless you educate them, and also relocate them.no: here in NL we have rehab even for people who have sexually abused children/ watched childpo*nography. These people no matter where you give them a place to live, they tend to go back to their old ways. Also rapists here sometimes get rehab, and there are many cases reported that when a rapist is allowed to leave the rehab center for an afternoon with a nurse, he rapes her. So for these cases j would say no!
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Firstly THANKS A LOTTT for bringign this topic for discussion...Well I was preparing for my Legal test and saw this...and my whole attention came here...hahaha ...

Well I'll start from the begenning...firstly these are my present views..as much as I know law presently through some books and shows etc.

Our legal system (I know of India but we all have bit knowledge its almost same in many nations so...) is undoubtedly the best and the most efficient department presently...
So coming to the procedures adopted...I'm totally in favour of it...
Like we all are aware yhat Arjun is a show ...and we all are aware that how our administration department is..I mean not the whole department but some or to say many...How corrupt they are...( None specific..) So if what ACP Arjun does in the show someonen else adopts the same procedure then we all instead of hearing verdits daily will be hearing encounters only...
One can imagine what a havoc it will create in the whole society when everyone I mean every officer willl start taking law in his own hands...They might kill anyone (Deciding who is guilty and who not ..)
and in return just just say that he was guilty ACCORDING TO THEM and the society ...Well not even a society DECLARE who is guilty and who not...Its only and only the JUDICIARY who is to decide who is guilty and who to be acquitted ...UNTILL THE VERDICT EVERY PERSON IS JUST ACCUSED AND INNOCENT till proven otherwise (except dowry cases..)
Ans these procedures itself show how much our judiciary and legal system is particular regarding its judgement and principle that no matter haw many guilty be acquitted but NOT EVEN 1 INNOCENT SHOULD BE PUNISHED...
After so many stages when its proven that the accused is guilty then giving him/her another chance in the name of rehabilitation according to me is totally wrong...When that person didnt give another thought before taking someone's life or doing wrong as prescribed by the law showing any sort of mercy towards that person is stupidity...BUT ITS THE DUTY OF THE JUDICIARY TO DECIDE AND NOT ANYONE IN PARTICULAR OF A SOCIETY ...( coz no matter what the no is wrong will be wrong..)

P.S :I hope I didnt go off the topic...actually I got excited so wrote what ever came in my mind...
PSS: Iam not talking of killers who are mentally disabled...coz dat forms another case...

I am not able to recall a case going regaring this I'll search and if I get or remember Ill update...
NOTE : These are my personal views as per my knowledge presenlly...and I am not defaming anyone in particular not even any department .
Thank You...!!
:)


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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Sakuu

yes, and no. yes: it does help, to some extent and in some cases. But! When these people go back home, they come in the same environment, which means the same old friends and the chances that they go back to their old ways are really high. Unless you educate them, and also relocate them.no: here in NL we have rehab even for people who have sexually abused children/ watched childpo*nography. These people no matter where you give them a place to live, they tend to go back to their old ways. Also rapists here sometimes get rehab, and there are many cases reported that when a rapist is allowed to leave the rehab center for an afternoon with a nurse, he rapes her. So for these cases j would say no!


You have very well balanced your each point... yes i would agree as well that Rehab does not really work to all and therefore its a false promise.

Giving free counselling for life time, making them live in rehab does really help to know that Rehab methods do work. Instead I think its the government costs that go up.
So is retribution the only option?

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: SAKSHI..

Firstly THANKS A LOTTT for bringign this topic for discussion...Well I was preparing for my Legal test and saw this...and my whole attention came here...hahaha ...

Well I'll start from the begenning...firstly these are my present views..as much as I know law presently through some books and shows etc.

Our legal system (I know of India but we all have bit knowledge its almost same in many nations so...) is undoubtedly the best and the most efficient department presently...
So coming to the procedures adopted...I'm totally in favour of it...
Like we all are aware yhat Arjun is a show ...and we all are aware that how our administration department is..I mean not the whole department but some or to say many...How corrupt they are...( None specific..) So if what ACP Arjun does in the show someonen else adopts the same procedure then we all instead of hearing verdits daily will be hearing encounters only...
One can imagine what a havoc it will create in the whole society when everyone I mean every officer willl start taking law in his own hands...They might kill anyone (Deciding who is guilty and who not ..)
and in return just just say that he was guilty ACCORDING TO THEM and the society ...Well not even a society DECLARE who is guilty and who not...Its only and only the JUDICIARY who is to decide who is guilty and who to be acquitted ...UNTILL THE VERDICT EVERY PERSON IS JUST ACCUSED AND INNOCENT till proven otherwise (except dowry cases..)
Ans these procedures itself show how much our judiciary and legal system is particular regarding its judgement and principle that no matter haw many guilty be acquitted but NOT EVEN 1 INNOCENT SHOULD BE PUNISHED...
After so many stages when its proven that the accused is guilty then giving him/her another chance in the name of rehabilitation according to me is totally wrong...When that person didnt give another thought before taking someone's life or doing wrong as prescribed by the law showing any sort of mercy towards that person is stupidity...BUT ITS THE DUTY OF THE JUDICIARY TO DECIDE AND NOT ANYONE IN PARTICULAR OF A SOCIETY ...( coz no matter what the no is wrong will be wrong..)

P.S :I hope I didnt go off the topic...actually I got excited so wrote what ever came in my mind...
PSS: Iam not talking of killers who are mentally disabled...coz dat forms another case...

I am not able to recall a case going regaring this I'll search and if I get or remember Ill update...
NOTE : These are my personal views as per my knowledge presenlly...and I am not defaming anyone in particular not even any department .
Thank You...!!
:)


Thanks for participating dear...
You are right Sakshi, people like Arjun rarely exist in our system... just a hand few may be are loyal to their country but many factors that pressurise them to be one of those corrupt officers...
Taking law in head, and deciding who is guilty and who is not; for that we have the LAW and Order in court... What we see in Arjun, when he encounters criminals on the stop, are those who are extreme. These encounters of innocent people might have been happening in the world we live in now...
Talking about Rehab... The criminals with extreme crime offences i.e Rapist ; cannot be changed in the rehab... people with less extreme criminal offence like stealing or may be crimes committed by juveniles could be tackled in rehab unless the level of crime committed is extreme.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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looks like no one is interested in discussing the topic... 🥱
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Jo_Pinchy


You have very well balanced your each point... yes i would agree as well that Rehab does not really work to all and therefore its a false promise.

Giving free counselling for life time, making them live in rehab does really help to know that Rehab methods do work. Instead I think its the government costs that go up.
So is retribution the only option?

hmmm no, a lot of the time people who go into jail come out worse na, depends, what is the crime.
i really think rehab has a chance of working, for smaller criminals, but only if you relocate them and even help them get a job et all..
Hmmm i think for the harder criminals there isn't anything that would really help, they are already stuck in their ways.
Counselling could help for the really younger ones (10-14y.o)
But i also think it has to do with the criminal, does he want to change? If yes, rehab, but how do we find out he is willing to change? if there's a way to do that, then we can actually have rehabs which work
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Jo_Pinchy

looks like no one is interested in discussing the topic... 🥱

hahaha wrong topic dear!
if it was on couples in the show everyone would be commenting 😆
I guess no one has any opinion on this topic? Even after the 17y.o.from the delhi case Who got rehab?!
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Pardon me, but just now saw this😳
Ok, great topic for discussion👍🏼
My view on this will be, some people deserves to go to rehab, while some dont...
then how do we discriminate on who can or cant😕
Taking that rape case as an example, that kid was big enough to assist and help in not only a rape, but the sadistic torture of a girl, but he's considered to be too young to go to prison! I wonder who the hell those lawyers are fooling!
For petty crimes like theft and all, and given circumstances, if they are too young, i accept that some people go to rehab...
but where beating, violence, rape, and crime is involved, then sorry i have no sympathy for such persons, nor any wish to give them a second chance in their life, especially not at the cost of innocent people out there!
Now coming back to Arjun, he has always solved lots of cases, and most have been obtained after the criminal accepts their part... but lately even this confession is contested, using pressure of police people as a reason or beatings obtained from police to confess...
so i guess the law has too many loopholes, and intelligent materialistic lawyers do know how to get around and release any criminal!🤢

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