Blog: How producers/item songs are killing the music industry - Page 2

There are illegal downloading, but the singers and composers still making money through live shows. The blog is not talking about commerce of BW music industry, it's talking about the helplessness of the composers & the newbie singers. Do read the article first before deviating from the main point of discussion.

Originally posted by: eeyoretel

There are illegal downloading, but the singers and composers still making money though live shows. The blog is not talking about commerce of BW music industry, it's talking about the helplessness of the composers & the newbie singers. Do read the article first before deviating the main point of discussion.

Originally posted by: eeyoretel

There are illegal downloading, but the singers and composers still making money though live shows. The blog is not talking about commerce of BW music industry, it's talking about the helplessness of the composers & the newbie singers. Do read the article first before deviating the main point of discussion.

But its all related. The blog speaks about composers and singers alright...but if you compare their situation now to what it was when composers and singers were stars the difference is the money the music album makes for the producers. In the 90s producers used to make a huge sum by selling music rights. Record companies like Tseries/Tips/Venus used to make lot of money by selling the whole music album. Now whoever pays for music rights is throwing their money away. I am not sure how they make money from music rights...I guess they get cuts from the producer's profits. Music is only used as a promotional tool like the trailer is.
If music could monetized seperately like it was the case earlier automatically the focus will shift on the whole album plus the singers/composers. If tomorrow the theaterical business of films go down and people start watching movies illegally or free on mobile/TV in a bigger way stars/directors/producers will face the same fate as music directors/singers today. It finally boils down to money.

i think there r few powerful composers who composes the whole album for a film nd still gives a salable album widout an item track..

Pritam gave Barfi..
then Recently Rahman delivered an outstanding album in the form of Raanjhana.
Vishal-Shekhar also usually deilvers hit albums including item tracks and so does shankar-ehsan-loy.

the problem only happens when directors/producers somehow wants to fit an item song into the film outta blue widout any connection..

otherwise music is very much there in the industry, still left.. Ashiqui 2 is an example, diff composers but all d songs were well promoted nd hit too.

This year has been extremely good when comes to quality films wid great music.
nd yess Raanjhana and Ashiqui 2 tops my list.. A R Rahman is seriously gifted, loved every song of the album.
Fukrey even had nice songs.

there is one problem, mostly directors get the songs but donno hw to use them in d film, a good song might get doomed if its picturised badly, nd these days its happening a lot.

Originally posted by: chocolover89

LOL I thought he was referring to Vishal too. 😆 But, there's lots of other such cases.

That item song composer is a singer bit matched with Honey Singh.😆

Originally posted by: MrsMalhotra

But its all related. The blog speaks about composers and singers alright...but if you compare their situation now to what it was when composers and singers were stars the difference is the money the music album makes for the producers. In the 90s producers used to make a huge sum by selling music rights. Record companies like Tseries/Tips/Venus used to make lot of money by selling the whole music album. Now whoever pays for music rights is throwing their money away. I am not sure how they make money from music rights...I guess they get cuts from the producer's profits. Music is only used as a promotional tool like the trailer is.
If music could monetized seperately like it was the case earlier automatically the focus will shift on the whole album plus the singers/composers. If tomorrow the theaterical business of films go down and people start watching movies illegally or free on mobile/TV in a bigger way stars/directors/producers will face the same fate as music directors/singers today. It finally boils down to money.

What led what is irrelevant here. These new breed of composers & singers were well aware of this situation when they joined the industry. As their main source of income has become live shows, all they need is credit. A song promo goes on-air but the makers don't even bother to write the name of the singer. How would mango people know who is the singer & invite the singer on their local colony wale concert?

The producers aren't making much money from the rights, but an A. R. Rahman album can pull a certain number of audience... a certain amount of money. They are still making money through music indirectly.

Originally posted by: eeyoretel

What led what is irrelevant here. These new breed of composers & singers were well aware of this situation when they joined the industry. As their main source of income has become live shows, all they need is credit. A song promo goes on-air but the makers don't even bother to write the name of the singer. How would mango people know who is the singer & invite the singer on their local colony wale concert?

The producers aren't making much money from the rights, but an A. R. Rahman album can pull a certain number of audience... a certain amount of money. They are still making money through music indirectly.

But the blog doesnt talk about lack of credit at all. It talks of lack of respect. If I am an organizer of a function and want to invite the singer of Tum Hi Ho I will obviously find out who it is instead of inviting Bhushan Kumar the producer of the movie which had the song or the stars of the film isnt it? The lack of respect for composers and singers among producers stems from inability to monetize their work. Yes they can indirectly make money. Like for A2 music was a huge crowd puller to the cinema halls. But if they could monetize every download of Tum Hi Ho it would have been different matter for Arijit Singh and Mithoon.

Originally posted by: MrsMalhotra

But the blog doesnt talk about lack of credit at all. It talks of lack of respect. If I am an organizer of a function and want to invite the singer of Tum Hi Ho I will obviously find out who it is instead of inviting Bhushan Kumar the producer of the movie which had the song or the stars of the film isnt it? The lack of respect for composers and singers among producers stems from inability to monetize their work. Yes they can indirectly make money. Like for A2 music was a huge crowd puller to the cinema halls. But if they could monetize every download of Tum Hi Ho it would have been different matter for Arijit Singh and Mithoon.

Doesn't not-giving-credit fall under lack of respect?

One doesn't even know if she is using Whisper/Kotex; how will she ask the shopkeeper for that exact product? How will that brand create demand if there is no brand/logo/hoarding/advertisement/etc at all? If I ask my friends who are organizing a concert to invite Shilpa Rao, Aditi Singh Sharma,... (Yeah, Shilpa & Aditi... because it's not a big concert that we could afford flavors of the season) they'll ask who that Shilpa & Aditi are. Then I'll say this, this, & that song were sung by them. My friend will say.. Chhodo! Inhe kaun pehchante hai... we must invite some reality show singers... they can sing the songs from Lata to Shilpa.

Okay, I think, I'm also deviating from the topic post. Don't like back and forth... don't like to cheer on someone's game of ego either. My second reply was for those who didn't read the topic at all & were taking your post as a summary. I'm putting a stop to this non-sense reply-reply game here. You can carry on. 👍🏼

Originally posted by: eeyoretel

Doesn't not-giving-credit fall under lack of respect?

One doesn't even know if she is using Whisper/Kotex; how will she ask the shopkeeper for that exact product? How will that brand create demand if there is no brand/logo/hoarding/advertisement/etc at all? If I ask my friends who are organizing a concert to invite Shilpa Rao, Aditi Sigh Sharma,... (Yeah, Shilpa & Aditi... because it's not a big concert that we could afford flavors of the season) they'll ask who that Shilpa & Aditi are. Then I'll say this this & this song was sung by them. My friend will say.. Chhodo! Inhe kaun pehchante hai... we must invite some reality show singers... they can sing the songs from Lata to Shilpa.

Okay, I think, I'm also deviating from the topic post. Don't like back and forth... don't like to cheer on someone's game of ego. My second reply was for those who didn't read the topic at all & was taking your post as a summary. I'm putting a stop to this non-sense reply-reply game here. You can carry on. 👍🏼

Lack of credit does happen...I dont disagree. Many newbie singers have spoken of the same...how they sing a song and then they are replaced in the main album by a more known singer. Something similar happenned to Daler Mehendi when he was replaced by Shankar Mahadevan in RDB album. But IMO its a different issue here. Anyways chalo I guess we see the topic from two different perspectives. Lets agree to disagree!