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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: muskaan23


Which leaves us to: No, Islam does give women as many rights as men, sometimes even more. In this case the CV's r just trying to take "Islamic law" as an excuse to their own ridiculous story line.



Excellent post. Thanks for explaining everything so lucidly. To add to what you said about rights, a woman has the right to repudiate a marriage performed against her wishes.

I normally do not get worked up over fiction but the last two episodes have been awful both in terms of portrayal of marriage in Islam and and more importantly as a portrayal of women. I'm not talking about Zoya in particular because the CVs have decided to make an educated woman with options mute and accepting but in general, the way a woman was forced yesterday was very disturbing. I volunteer sometimes at a woman-related NGO and have seen real-life examples of women being forced into situations and the damage it causes their psyche. I know this is fiction and not to be taken seriously, but yesterday just pushed some buttons for me. Gul Khan cannot excuse showing this horrific behaviour using the crutch of religion or greater good.

@TM: You said it. It does seem that in the serial world all women want to do is lie around waiting to get married.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: TheRedQueen



Excellent post. Thanks for explaining everything so lucidly. To add to what you said about rights, a woman has the right to repudiate a marriage performed against her wishes.

I normally do not get worked up over fiction but the last two episodes have been awful both in terms of portrayal of marriage in Islam and and more importantly as a portrayal of women. I'm not talking about Zoya in particular because the CVs have decided to make an educated woman with options mute and accepting but in general, the way a woman was forced yesterday was very disturbing. I volunteer sometimes at a woman-related NGO and have seen real-life examples of women being forced into situations and the damage it causes their psyche. I know this is fiction and not to be taken seriously, but yesterday just pushed some buttons for me. Gul Khan cannot excuse showing this horrific behaviour using the crutch of religion or greater good.


Thank you 😊 ... and it's actually been a plesure explaining everything, as Gul has actually shown Islam esp. women's law in Islam in a very bad light and it hurts me thinking ppl who are not familiar with the religion could misunderstand it in such a huge way.

oh and ur addition about the right to repudiate a marriage, exactly!!! Thank you. 😊 ...and yes i can just second that... in fact if we look back at the Episode 1 and 2, they have shown that very beautifully... The Maulana has asked her the way he is supposed to and she said loud and clear that she does not agree, after that i actually found it beautifully done how the Maulana was trying to step up for her rights when he told the grooms family, that once she has said "no" this Nikah can not take place!

I know what you mean about not caring so much about a fiction show, I am usually the same and just try to switch my logic button off whilst watching 😆, but i think as a viewer you can at least demand that the CV's do not disrespect you, by assuming ur to stupid to get how wrong this is. Also do i think that in a lot of cases ppl do not understand HOW imaginative the situations actually are and start to believe that there are any aspects of truth in it, i think that is very dangerous.

Also i can just second ur view about how women are portrayed in this show in particular, tbh i think there is always an aspect of abuse in the relationships they do show in all those series, but in this case they have just failed in showing and educated, modern yet traditional, cultivated new york girl, it is a shame that they r not at all sticking to the character of zoya, how it was meant to be. Why would a woman like her simply accept all this shit??

I am impressed by you working with/for the NGO, heads off girl!! 👏
I my self have come across a lot of ..lets say "difficult situations and and times in life" and do realise how much ur psyche can be troubled by experiences where u have been forced and abused. in fact I am even writing about things like that, with the main focus on the inner complications and difficulties a woman goes through, even year after she has moved on. That is why i always have difficulties adjusting with the kind of romance and stories they do show in the serials, i believe that it is always(mostly) a case of domestic violence and i simply can not accept how they do "celebrate" it and just call it intense love...

I dont think Gul can simply shove off all the responsibility by saying its a fiction show, I expected her as a women to be way more sensitive. I mean if u just imagine a lot of very young girls do watch those shows and definitely fantasize about having an "intense true love experience" in their own life, even if just subconsciously...
...so what is the msg to them here?? - Just accept everything you bf/husband does to you, as long as he claims to love you??? The more u suffer, the more intense ur love will become?? If you keep your mouth shut and wait long enough, the end will b all perfect????

How can any woman... no any human being actually.. convey such a msg, even in a subtle way?
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Requiring this because you did such a good job here.


Originally posted by: muskaan23

Hello ppl,

i just came across this post and couldnt resist to comment, although i havent read each of u guys replies (plz bear with me if i repeat anyone) also i have not reached the current episode (as im catching up still) ... but i guess i know the main track at least...

the whole Nighat track i will not comment at all, as i dont know whats going on there and to b honest the whole thing of her being insulted from the very first epi by haseena and the family tolerating all this shit... is just not worth commenting at all... oh n Nighat's story has nothing to do with Islam... its just simply stupid and depressive. Anyways..

Women rights in Islam? Talak? and and and ...

Firstly let me please tell you that Qubool Hai it self can never represent a Religion... The only "Muslim" thing about Qubool Hai, are the names of the characters, the Urdu language, some of the rituals and traditions... but the story line it self has nothing to do with Islam... Its just a very complex and confusing story they r trying to build around islam, which leads to things becoming senseless and sometimes even disrespectful.

The current track right now?

1. the Wedding... as far as i can judge the Nikah (not seen it completely, just skipped through it)... this Nikah is not at all valid... A Nikah is not just a game where ppl say "u wanna get married? - Ya!".. it's way more formal than ppl think.. for example:

- No marriage can take place without a WALI (guardian of the bride, could be the father, brother, uncle or so on, important is that SHE selects her own guardian) and 2 Witnesses each side. Of course all the guests are witnesses, but still 2+2 have to sign the Nikah-Nama (Marriage Contract) ---- i dont think this was the case here, no?

- The Kazi/Maulana will ask the Boy and the Girl separately, whether they r willing to marry this person or not? ... in this procedure it is ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL that the Kazi will form his question like this 3 times, otherwise the Nikah is NOT VALID: (Example Zoya)

"Miss Zoya Farooki, daughter of ...Siddiqui your Nikah is taking place after the islamic law, right at this moment, with a security amount of ...Rupees, to Mr.Ayaan Ahmad Khan son of Rashid Ahmad Khan, DO YOU AGREE TO THIS? ...KYA AAP KO QUBOOL HAI?"

Zoya: "HAN QUBOOL HAI! YES I DO AGREE"...
(here no Kazi/Maulana will accept any mumbling, shyness, just head shaking or anything, she has to say it loud and clear!! Oh and another point: the Kazi himself never does stand behind the "curtain" whilst he is asking the girl, he does take place RIGHT BESIDE HER, to make sure that there is NO CHANCE to misunderstand her, or tht maybe some one else is trying to answer for her, or some one is pushing or threatening her... this is to protect her rights of free will.)

- Then both Groom and Bride have to sign the Nikah-Nama, mostly its abt 5 Pages to sign for each one of them and they do have the right to READ every page (which most ppl unfortunately dont do)... then the witnesses do sign. Without the signatures of those 6 ppl the "Qubool hai" is not worth anything!!

-------- i dont think in the Zoya and Ayaan case the marriage was even close to this, and that means the marriage is not valid, period.

2. Talak, Khula and so on... I think at first u have to understand that a man saying Talak three times is not withdrawing the marriage... it actually is divorce and even that has to b registered and has a procedure with a lot of things to b noted, him saying "Talak" three times is just a declaration that he is willing to divorce her, which most certainly leads into the procedure...
A woman's rights to divorce? Of course she has the same right..its just called Khula, that is simply the other way around... she is asking for divorce...either mutually or she can drag him to court... which tells us that most definitely a woman has the right to seek divorce in Islam.

In the Ayaan and Zoya case.. there is another factor which counts - lets forget for a second that both of them are actually not married - This marriage has actually not even been completed... in a muslim wedding there is a Nikah, soon after that comes the Rukhsati.. that means the family of the girl "gives" their responsibility over to the husband, who then takes her to his house... and then comes the WEDDING NIGHT and the next morning the Valima.. (like a reception) ... with the Valima celebration the wedding is actually completed... means they did have a wedding night... AFTER THAT point if they want to go separate ways, the will need a divorce...

If under any circumstances both of them do decide to go separate ways JUST after the Nikah... there is not even any scope for divorce... As they have not yet lived together as husband and wife... they can simply ANNUAL the marriage..(sorry but i simply am not getting the islamic word for this situation right now).. with this there will never be and registry of them being married in the first place.

Oh and all this crap about Izzat and Badnami n all... this is just ridicules.. even in the most traditional islamic families, the elders would see the situation as a misunderstanding and call the Kazi and a lawyer and annual their marriage...

Which leaves us to: No, Islam does give women as many rights as men, sometimes even more. In this case the CV's r just trying to take "Islamic law" as an excuse to their own ridiculous story line.

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: sana04

Requiring this because you did such a good job here.


Thank you 😊
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Please DO NOT QUESTION Islam.

Islam gives both men and women their rights.

The way Gul is portraying things is not right.

Question her. Period.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Rupunzale

In this terribly messy situation,I just have a question..does a woman have no rights in Islam...can she not absolve a marriage...it was just preposterous to watch two men deciding the fate of a woman. It seemed to me that she was been sold and bought...and she just has no say in it.

It was shameful to watch that a woman is forced into a relationship on one hand and on the other a woman tries to commit suicide because apparently she is unable to get married.

Why can't Zoya just say that the marriage is invalid and she is not a commodity ?

Why instead of waiting to be married Nikhat doesn't have any dreams or aspirations ...to work or get financially independent?


Hey, Just wanted to let everyone that in Islam a woman has the complete right to divorce her husband. And there is no way anyone can take that right away from her or stop her.
Similarly even when getting married if the woman (and man) don't want to get married in their hearts yet are forced to say the Qubool Hain/I Dos etc, their marriage will not be considered real and valid in Islam. That is why forced marriages are not allowed in Islam.
Actually even more than that before a woman and man sign the marriage documents, she can add as many reasonable and personal (whether they are big or small) conditions she wants to the document, which the husband has to honour during their marriage.

What I don't get is why someone like Zoya hasn't already done that BUT then again whether they show a Muslim or Hindu show, at the end of the day it is a daily soap, where if she had gone that route all would have been fine but they has to drag the drama remember lol

P.S. If anyone else want to know more about matters of this kind and where Islam stands on it, let me know!😃

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