Forum 32 article not justified completely

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Tfs Oishi.
I read the post when they posted it in the FB and I have mixed reactions regarding this post to be honest.
Yes people are bashing QH left and right nowadays and sometime they are harsh . But name calling the actor? It is something I didn't see much in this forum. Maybe others did but personally I didn't. Yes people are name calling the character including me specially for the character of Tanveer because I feel that character is too negative and making most of the women in this forum question themselves as a woman. I don't watch soaps , neither do I belong to any FC or bash , hate or adore a particular character. QH is my second desi show and I am amazed to the extent of negetivity shown in this show. Not only that this negetivity is although necessary for the story to progress is stretched beyond people tolerance limit and I feel promote negetivity in a way.
I know many will say that why don't you stop watching it if you don't like it and its true really. But although I am kinda new in all these viewers get really attached to a show which they follow regularly as a loyal viewer and slowly the characters become a part of their daily life. So even though people might not like a particular track and criticize its not always possible to GET OVER IT and that's true also.
These soaps showcases the lifestyle and cultural beliefs of a certain country and community. We as viewers kinda start relate to these characters although most of us understand that these are fictional characters and not real. Kinda like we read books and sometime we become so attached to the storyline we start to relate to the characters of the story. It's not bad , neither does it make a viewer/reader delusional or crazy.
QH has been a very good show but things took a different turn in recent times as soon as the new antagonist arrived and that too for the TRP. During in SR period this show showed such things which is unacceptable for some viewers because this show is primarily tagged as a family show. I know that scene was necessary but could have been shown in a subtle way . There was too much detail and some of us watch these show with family. Yes the actors worked hard but still if someone says something not in Favour of that scene people are not wrong either. It' can not be considered as bashing the cast and crew.
As for Karan no one ever bashed that guy except for some lunatics who come from other forums to start a fight intentionally. Karan is a fav actor and he is a thorough professional and hard worker to be very honest and I also feel so even though I am not a KSG fan or know him from his other soaps or something.
People bashes Asad when people see him behaving in a certain way which is kinda not normal for a normal sane person. No one bashes Karan as an actor but the character for acting OTT. To be honest just to create drama elements and drag the track it's the CVswho made Asad the way he is. He has come to such a stage where many viewers can't relate to him and hence they become critical to the character. Being called Ass head is indeed horrible but calling dumb or without brain is a pretty normal reaction specially when the CVs are showing such things with a purpose. Even I heard the actors call each other dumb in QH interviews.
I personally feel Forum 32 is fed up with fans comments in this track and since for some reason they don't want to wrap up soo soon like in a week they are using Karan's name since they know that Karan's name has the capability to shut up the viewers mouth . Karan is this popular and OFCOURSE this guy deserves it in every way.
I personally don't think Karan will feel bad if Asad is called dumb since he himself confirmed that many times in interviews
As for Tanveer her character is beyond negative. It's too much to handle at times and I feel too much negetivity ruins people's mood and a show. People watch them for entertainment and it should be that way. This negetivity is dragged to the extreme and for long IMO F32 said we should give ideas in a written form but why should we give ideas? They created this and to be honest many people give many ideas in this forum regarding bringing positivity in this show and if they are out of ideas why don't they read them and get ideas on their own?
They are the one who extended this track to the extreme and there were many ways to end these characters and bring positivity but they chose differently because of the TRP
Tanveer is such a character which brings out the worst of even the most sane viewers and they created them. Then why complain?
Yes name calling Amrapali is bad but I see here mostly people name call Tanveer not Amrapali.
Just my pov, no bashing please
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trina2010 thumbnail
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Posted: 12 years ago
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No one agrees?
Am I wrong ?
I wanna get your views
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Posted: 12 years ago
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It's a daily soap
People can be this negetive
And why you saying we women should question our self?
Let's see Shyam from IPKND!!!! Hello!!

People's what's wrong with you? It's a daily soap stop getting personal.
A story bound to have negative chracter, other wise how the story will move?

Love QH and it's doing great.

Than we can also say zoya is positive, so we girl must be positive to, let's face it, everyone is negative or positive and beside there is only 2 gender you can study, so what's the biggy?????

It's always male or female than why you all taking everything personally?


GROW UP
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Hey Trina. No one will reply much at this time as its technically iftar time for us😛

Thank God you made the post i was glad at least some one brought this topic up. I read the article and badly wanted to reply but everyone agreed so i shut my mouth as well.

Firstly i was shocked that the PH is always ready to send articles defending themselves unnecessarily. 😕Cmon they need to realize that everyone is addicted to the show and no one wants to see the serial losing its charm infront of their eyes. The CVS r showing illogical and heights of negativity in the serial and the CVs expect us to enjoy and shut our mouths???

I agree name calling isnt good. No one did esp to KSG or AG . Everyone did it to their character as they also know very well that audience r sick of Tanveer at this stage.🤢

I dunno im still pissed off that these ppl have the guts to write an article and state that stop name calling and all but are adamant on showing so much of negativity and violence. 🤢Ofcourse at the end of the day fans are fans . They will say whatever it comes to theirs minds.

Edited by sana_sugarbun - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Hey Trina...your POV has a a viewer tired with the negativity is completely justified...

But I am relieved at the extent of negativity shown..because that assures us that the character is going to meet its end one day..there are so many shows that introduce slightly negative characters and hook them up with the leads...and when that story starts gaining TRPs..the original lead is forgotten...they span over a long period of time with the leads never finding their happy ending...they almost always die at the end of the show...leaving a bad taste in the viewers mouth...

As far as the explicit portrayal of a certain thing on television...here is where viewers discretion is advised...that was just a one off episode...if you see other shows on Indian TV...u will realize that explicit or not...they are crass beyond acceptable and they are like that day after day...we do get normal happy episodes in QH...i can tell u for sure as my mom watches other TV shows...there is not a single day that goes without conspiracy...human relations are treated like a joke...the regressive portrayal knows no limits...with MTV and Channel V serving crass and crude every day, trust me TV is no more censored...you have to exercise your discretion...

4 lions are a production house...even they are not that blind so as to miss the fact that Tanveer is hated and the TRPs are not because of her...but we as audience can only like or dislike the characters and product they give us...we can by no means teach or instruct them how to do their job or name call them..which we may not do but other people do..u honestly tell me...this Tanveer drama has been going on since so long...most of us have screamed our guts out...but still the TRPs remain stable...that means we are still watching...maybe because we are so attached to QH...but if we are attached we need to trust the people who made it in the first place..

QH means more to them than it can ever mean to u and me...because they have made it with so much heart and hardwork, name calling will hurt them obviously..they are humans too...Forum 32 is as much a platform for them to voice their thoughts...

We may agree or disagree with them...and the same way they can disagree with our demands too...but then they have a vision for their product and it needs to play out the way they have imagined..because if we could be them, aaj QH hum bana rahe hote, woh nahi...
Edited by starsinmyeyes - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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WORD! I got irritated when I read the article by F32. It seemed to me that they are not willing to take any feedback - other than gushing, positive ones.

Many of us (delena90, bheegi and me ) have posted polite feedback - basically questioning the entire Tanveer track. The character imo is very poorly written and there is no justification for her evil actions. The feedback has been very polite but as expected has not been acknowledged. The only type of feedback they seem to acknowledge is either positive ones or that deal with Karan's looks!

Also, imo, since they are in a public profession, they should brace themselves for criticism! Bouquets and brickbats are a part of their working life. We work too - do we get praised in the office for whatever we do! No!

Most of the negative feedback I have seen (on F32 FB page and even here) have been targeted against the characters (Tanveer and ofcourse brainless Asad). This is because of the illogical track that the writers have conceived... Not one post, have I seen where Amrapali has been bashed. No one has claimed that KSG or AG cant act.

This is what bugged me in the article - If they are asking us to differentiate between character and actor, they need to be able to do the same.

While I do condemn any comments by fans about the actor or actress (name -calling, or any reference to their personal lives), I think as an audience we are justified in criticising a character. Calling Asad brainless isnt an abuse! Heck, as you pointed out even KSG makes fun at his character!

Regarding the entire Tanveer track, there has been no backstory, no reason given as to why she is so evil. Delena90 had some months back posted a long post on the FB page asking for some justification and had suggested very politely some things - her feedback, as expected, was not even acknowledged.


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Posted: 12 years ago
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Why does Tanveer's negativity have women questioning themselves? I don't get that...
And I've seen people calling Amrapalli bitch and using obscenities against her because of what she says in her stupid interviews. You don't like her fine...but don't cross that line.
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Hey Trina, I completely agree with you.

I am really tired (just got home from work) so I am gonna post what I posted on F32:

I guess the question is do you listen, see or even acknowledge polite feedback. I may come across as very blunt and hell maybe even a little rude in this post but you and 4lions need to hear this. Many of us have left you very polite feedback on how the how has been but you ignore us. You would rather respond and pass on information related to Karan's stubble or lack thereof! Let me be clear, I don't watch this show for Karan, surbhi or any of the actors of the show. Heck I don't even watch this for asya. I watch this show because I liked the concept of QH when it first started and it was unique.

You talk of hard work. Don't we all work hard -whether it be school or in the corporate world? Don't we all get criticized when our work is not up to the mark?? Yes our criticism comes from a small number of people but this is the profession the actors have chosen. They are going to be criticized by a larger audience. And for further clarification - no one has ever claimed that Karan or any of the actors can't act. In fact despite the dissatisfaction with the storyline people have praised Karan's angst scenes.

I didn't realize that calling a character an ass is termed as abusive. Asad is a character! While you are asking the audience to differentiate between character and actor, I feel compelled to ask you to do the same.

With regards to the tanveer track, people have explained their dissatisfaction towards it many times! Just look at the story you have presented us with - tanveer has no backstory, no justification and she is omniscient and omnipresent. Have the writers even bothered to explain tanveers willingness to throw her friends to the wolves??? Even razia had a backstory - which is what makes her a compelling villain.

The only point I seem to agree with you on in this article is the lack of sensitivity shown by the audience towards the actors and hurling abuses at them while hiding behind a computer screen.

Friendly advise trina ignore the fanatical teenagers that are bound to come on to your post and bash. 😆 They clearly do not appreciate good storytelling/writing/tv shows.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Tfs Oishi.
I read the post when they posted it in the FB and I have mixed reactions regarding this post to be honest.
Yes people are bashing QH left and right nowadays and sometime they are harsh . But name calling the actor? It is something I didn't see much in this forum. Maybe others did but personally I didn't. Yes people are name calling the character including me specially for the character of Tanveer because I feel that character is too negative and making most of the women in this forum question themselves as a woman. I don't watch soaps , neither do I belong to any FC or bash , hate or adore a particular character. QH is my second desi show and I am amazed to the extent of negetivity shown in this show. Not only that this negetivity is although necessary for the story to progress is stretched beyond people tolerance limit and I feel promote negetivity in a way.
I know many will say that why don't you stop watching it if you don't like it and its true really. But although I am kinda new in all these viewers get really attached to a show which they follow regularly as a loyal viewer and slowly the characters become a part of their daily life. So even though people might not like a particular track and criticize its not always possible to GET OVER IT and that's true also.
These soaps showcases the lifestyle and cultural beliefs of a certain country and community. We as viewers kinda start relate to these characters although most of us understand that these are fictional characters and not real. Kinda like we read books and sometime we become so attached to the storyline we start to relate to the characters of the story. It's not bad , neither does it make a viewer/reader delusional or crazy.
QH has been a very good show but things took a different turn in recent times as soon as the new antagonist arrived and that too for the TRP. During in SR period this show showed such things which is unacceptable for some viewers because this show is primarily tagged as a family show. I know that scene was necessary but could have been shown in a subtle way . There was too much detail and some of us watch these show with family. Yes the actors worked hard but still if someone says something not in Favour of that scene people are not wrong either. It' can not be considered as bashing the cast and crew.
As for Karan no one ever bashed that guy except for some lunatics who come from other forums to start a fight intentionally. Karan is a fav actor and he is a thorough professional and hard worker to be very honest and I also feel so even though I am not a KSG fan or know him from his other soaps or something.
People bashes Asad when people see him behaving in a certain way which is kinda not normal for a normal sane person. No one bashes Karan as an actor but the character for acting OTT. To be honest just to create drama elements and drag the track it's the CVswho made Asad the way he is. He has come to such a stage where many viewers can't relate to him and hence they become critical to the character. Being called Ass head is indeed horrible but calling dumb or without brain is a pretty normal reaction specially when the CVs are showing such things with a purpose. Even I heard the actors call each other dumb in QH interviews.
I personally feel Forum 32 is fed up with fans comments in this track and since for some reason they don't want to wrap up soo soon like in a week they are using Karan's name since they know that Karan's name has the capability to shut up the viewers mouth . Karan is this popular and OFCOURSE this guy deserves it in every way.
I personally don't think Karan will feel bad if Asad is called dumb since he himself confirmed that many times in interviews
As for Tanveer her character is beyond negative. It's too much to handle at times and I feel too much negetivity ruins people's mood and a show. People watch them for entertainment and it should be that way. This negetivity is dragged to the extreme and for long IMO F32 said we should give ideas in a written form but why should we give ideas? They created this and to be honest many people give many ideas in this forum regarding bringing positivity in this show and if they are out of ideas why don't they read them and get ideas on their own?
They are the one who extended this track to the extreme and there were many ways to end these characters and bring positivity but they chose differently because of the TRP
Tanveer is such a character which brings out the worst of even the most sane viewers and they created them. Then why complain?
Yes name calling Amrapali is bad but I see here mostly people name call Tanveer not Amrapali.
Just my pov, no bashing please

Replied by SHeila sandhu...

So agree with you and Karan Is execellent as and actor but sadly he has had to potray a dumb asshole (i am doing this on purpose) Not his fault as KSG but CV's and writers who have made it that way. Tannu is such a witch that even the most reliable, good looking and intelligent man ends up being a dumbo( like ASAD)

So agree that the CV's can pluck many an idea from this forum itself. The fans have written beautifully in some the FF's, SS's and OS's . If they choose to ignore the talents of some of the fans and are so self centered to think only they are capable of writing stories than it is their bad.

The thought comes to me whether these writers have seen any bad in their lifes or if they have experienced the pain of whatever they themselfs are trying to portray. Nobody wants what they show to happen to them, their loved ones or friends. The world all around has too much misery and when we ON our tele's what we are looking for is entertainment and not more evil ways. Agreed that twist and turns are there to make it more interesting and challenging but when it is dragged to far and too long than it becomes a sore point for the viewers. Please do not use the Actors to try and stop the viewers from giving their actual view points.

KSG, SJ, Shalini and the rest are excellent actors and have been doing what is required of them by the producers to the best of best of their abilities and they are much appreciated for that. Our love and support for them remains even if they leave QH.

Rocking good actors KSG AND SJ

Edited by sheilasandhu - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Drea_QH1fan

Why does Tanveer's negativity have women questioning themselves? I don't get that...

And I've seen people calling Amrapalli bitch and using obscenities against her because of what she says in her stupid interviews. You don't like her fine...but don't cross that line.

I never saw people calling Amrapali Bit** but yes I saw same for Ranveer and I myself did that sometime.
Yes I think I am nit delusional but this character is soo bad that sometime I feel if any woman can ever stoop so low and yes as a woman myself Thats questioning myself .
I hope I could answer your question

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