Crime and Punishment

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Posted: 19 years ago
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St. Billo, the judge, jury and executioner declared JW guilty of adultery, summarily sentenced him to death and promptly executed the decree by performing his shraddha and throwing him out of WM, forbidding any member of the WM crowd from having any relationship with him. Had a few thoughts on the matter.

JW was no doubt guilty of a very serious crime- adultery, of breaking the vows of marriage and betraying the trust of two people-Bani and St. Billo- who love him to death. But should not St. Billo have given him a fair trial before sentencing him. After all the Nazi war criminals who were hanged at Nuremberg were guilty of far worse atrocities against humanity than JW. And yet they were given more than a year long fair trial b4 being sentenced. The case against Satwant Singh was even more clear- he had shot Mrs. Gandhi at point blank range and admitted to his crime, yet he was not executed on the spot, a fair trial was given to him. Agreed had JW been allowed to speak, he would have had little to say in his defence and the verdict would still be the same. But was it necessary to dispense with the procedure altogether?

And what about the punishment for the crime. Is a death penalty a fair punishment for adultery or is it a bit over the top. And is it necessary to deprive a man of his home and access to his kid (when he is born)- do courts deprive a straying spouse access to child. And should he be deprived of the right to visit the rest of his family- people he has cared about and never hurt, Adi, Dadi, St. Billo, Ranveer, Rashi, Sahil, Anu, Anu's kid.

And don't courts consider a person's past track record while handing justice? Agreed JW has failed as a lover and a husband. But what about other relationships. He has been a dutiful son to St. Billo and Dadi, a good friend to Adi, a caring uncle to Ranveer, Sahil and Anu. He secured justice and a proper marriage to Raashi by throwing Ranveer out of WM, when Anu's child was kidnapped he jumped to her rescue without bothering about his personal safety. He is a good citizen apparently and has supported many orphans, most notably Pooch. He has himself forgiven some very grave misdeeds committed against him, ND's kartoot and P-P elopement, most notably. Should all that be forgotten for one act committed in a moment of madness, arising out of desperation.

And what about fairplay. The WM crowd has forgiven some very grave crimes committed by others- the P-P elopement, Jigs complicity in UW's death, J-R's property scam, Ranveer's violence against Raashi and last but not the least Reptile's murder of her baby. By what standard is the cold blooded murder of a baby by her Mom a less grievous crime than adultery. So why such impossible standards demanded of JW?

Some questions for you.

    Do you think a fair punishment was handed out to JW or do you think it was a bit over the top? Do you think St. Billo did a right thing by summarily announcing a sentence. Or do you think JW should have been given a opportunity to explain what happen? Was St. Billo the only person who should be given the credit/blame for handing out the sentence. Or do you think the rest of the WM crowd by their silence- Dadi, Adi, Rano, Raashi, Anu, Rohit, Ranveer, Jigs and Sahil- are equally to be credited/blamed. (IMHO, Bani is certainly not responsible as she was too numb to react?) What if JW is found to be innocent? Would you consider his executioners to be guilty of some misdeed? If yes, what should be their punishment? And who would administer that because JW would certainly want to avenge himself even if he finds himself to be innocent?
  • And if he is innocent, do you think he deserves some apology/amends for what he has been made to go through? If so, what should the amends be?

Rgds,

Priyanka

PS: Given the fact that JW was drugged, it is almost 100% certain that JW did not do it. But when the sentence was carried out, this fact was not known either to us or to St. Billo's court.

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Posted: 19 years ago
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Great post Pri
I've been waiting for something from you so this is a pleasure to read and respond

Do you think a fair punishment was handed out to JW or do you think it was a bit over the top?

No way was it fair!! In the first place what gave Billo the right to pronounce sentence on JW anyways….he wronged Bani not her. Bani is the only person that has the right to demand an explanation from him and decide what to do next. A marriage is between two people and no third party no matter how elderly/respected has the right to intervene.
I applaud the fact that Billo's supported Bani…that is totally commendable. And even asking JW to leave out of sheer anger would've been ok….but dismissing him from his own house(what cheek!) and then doing the shraadh was horrendous and totally un-called for 🤢 Hence I stopped calling her ma-si coz no mother would ever think of doing that, no matter what her child had done.

Do you think St. Billo did a right thing by summarily announcing a sentence. Or do you think JW should have been given a opportunity to explain what happen?
As I've mentioned above I don't think St Billo has a right to JW's explanations anyways…he's wronged Bani and their marriage, what does that have to do with Billo??

Was St. Billo the only person who should be given the credit/blame for handing out the sentence. Or do you think the rest of the WM crowd by their silence- Dadi, Adi, Rano, Raashi, Anu, Rohit, Ranveer, Jigs and Sahil- are equally to be credited/blamed. (IMHO, Bani is certainly not responsible as she was too numb to react?)
The WM GFNs 😡 well lets start with Adi. Well intentioned but far too subservient to do anything. Rano-Raashi-Anu just stood their like WM ke-teen-khambey but don't know if they would've been able to stop Billo in all her righteous glory. Jigs, I have to say I'm very disappointed that her so-called love for her brother didn't surface, if there's someone who should've put an end to Billo's nonsense it should've been Jigs (Ash, not JB would've been amazing!) As for Sahil the less said the better!!

What if JW is found to be innocent? Would you consider his executioners to be guilty of some misdeed? If yes, what should be their punishment? And who would administer that because JW would certainly want to avenge himself even if he finds himself to be innocent?
Well JW certainly is innocent…and wronged, the man's been taken on a royal ride by Sewage Rat and her cohorts (can't believe she'd have the brains to do this by herself). My take…he should disown all WM anaaths, send Billo on a never ending teerath yatra, arrange to have Sewage Rat dumped in the nearest ganda naala and get down to the serious business of wooing his wife back!!

And if he is innocent, do you think he deserves some apology/amends for what he has made to go through? If so, what should the amends be?
The only one deserving of his apology is Bani….simply for those awful cruel words he said to her ( yes, all in the name of love I know). She will forgive but deserves a handsome apology…and more (honeymoon in Europe, Cartier 4 carat solitaires would be a good start!)
cheers
Sim
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Posted: 19 years ago
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Simz,

( don't think St Billo has a right to JW's explanations anyways…)

Doesn't a judge listen to a defendant b4 pronouncing his verdict.

Rgds,

Pri

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Posted: 19 years ago
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Originally posted by: majumdar

Simz,

( don't think St Billo has a right to JW's explanations anyways…)

Doesn't a judge listen to a defendant b4 pronouncing his verdict.

Rgds,

Pri


Pri
What I meant was that I don't think she should be the one judging him...the "crime" was against Bani and their marriage, not Billo personally. What gives her the right to pronounce judgement on him? That right is solely Bani's.

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Posted: 19 years ago
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pri,

punishment is given in two base when it is concerned public life or family life. in family sentiments are high... we can't evaluate how it affect the elders in the family... in no single moment then can come down to a point where they could sit and hear the other... here he agreed that he did it and that was more than enough... if u remember massi had bought this subject with him himself a while back pointing out is fathers footsteps... so i don't think things happened was totally unfair in that matter... it is personal relationships... their the court is our consciousness and process is faster, right or wrong.. i am not defending any one... but it is the way i feel it is..

massi was more in shock in her age.. he didn't deny it because he is not sure than that he was in her room... he decided himself he did it rather than a self awareness of what happened in that night... he has no proof..

the hiding of evrything from all is done... so it has to happen... ok... what right pia has to talk about or talk for a baby... does she has any right to do it? why jai is still not in the dark side of the whole story? is ekat plan to bring it over in the court all these hidden things to clear jai bit to bit? what is she planning to do it who knows 😕
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Posted: 19 years ago
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Good post Pri,

I think Maasi was hasty in her decision to banish JW from his own home. He was not given a chance to give the true version on what transpired that fateful day nor the circumstances under which it took place or even his state of mind for that matter. Do we no longer believe in innonence before proven guilty??

Now they have unleashed the demon in JW and all will have to quiver when he roars. Have to agree, this side of JW will be better than the constricted/guilt ridden look he had before. Its difficult for me to choose the better look of JW - love-struck or viciuos - both are excellent.



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Posted: 19 years ago
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Angel,

(Do we no longer believe in innonence before proven guilty?? )

Depends. If it is the Dixit sisters, it is innocent till proven guilty, if JW the other way round.

Rgds,

Pri
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Posted: 19 years ago
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Pri,

I got to say wonderful points given by you and loved reading it. You have compared justice or sentence dealt out to Jai by massi with that of a court of law and thats not correct.

As Rose, I beleive said that in a court of law one looks at motive. facts, reason, etc, but in relationship emotions play a major role and one does not act practicle at that time as emotions are high and that is what rules the brain at that moment. Thus one person sees one as breaking ones trust, being a disgrace to ones up bringing, not respecting ones moral values and commitment, and massi heard him confess to the crime from the horses mouth itself thus her reaction and punishment for Jai was instant.

Here are my answers to your questions:

  • Do you think a fair punishment was handed out to JW or do you think it was a bit over the top?

A. The punishment given to Jai was a bit over the top. Massi instead of doing the whole sharad ritual could just say after you commiting such a grave mistake against Bnai and breaking my trust in you you are dead for me, and I don't want to see your face etc, but the whole breaking the pot of water, etc was too much.

  • Do you think St. Billo did a right thing by summarily announcing a sentence. Or do you think JW should have been given a opportunity to explain what happen?

A.Billo massi, was like a mother to him and he her child. She was there to take care of him from the time Uday Walia abandoned his wife, her sister for an other woman and she was witness to what her sister went through, thus when she came to know that Jai did the same thing she lost her mind, her tryst in him as she never expected Jai to commit the same mistake as his father as Jai too was witness to his mothers condition.Thus she lost control over her emotions and curesed him. Quiet understandable, and didn't she hear Jai and Pia's conversation herself so what could Jai really say in his defense???

It was quiet understandable her action, to be angry with him but the sharad ritual was a bit over the top.

  • Was St. Billo the only person who should be given the credit/blame for handing out the sentence. Or do you think the rest of the WM crowd by their silence- Dadi, Adi, Rano, Raashi, Anu, Rohit, Ranveer, Jigs and Sahil- are equally to be credited/blamed. (IMHO, Bani is certainly not responsible as she was too numb to react?)

A. The crowd too is to blame in a way, but all of them were in shock as none of them could beleive that Jai could or would ever do something like that at all and seeing Bani's state was the first shock and then massi's anger was another thus no reaction from anyone at that time.

Though we see that Jigs was angry witrh massi for being against Jai and with Bani and Adi being with Bani but not understanding how Jai and Pia could do something like that to hurt Bani.

  • What if JW is found to be innocent? Would you consider his executioners to be guilty of some misdeed? If yes, what should be their punishment? And who would administer that because JW would certainly want to avenge himself even if he finds himself to be innocent?

A. We the viewers know that he will be found innocent soon, hopefully Karuna or someone will open their mouths or some kind of proof will come to light soon.

Now, would I consider massi guilty, nah, she herself will be ashamed of herself for not trusting her munna and cursing him. Thus that will be punishment in itself for her and all who beleived him guilty.

Jai will only avenge himself by destroying Pia because she is the root cause and the reason for all his relationships breaking and them losing trust in him, as he himself beleived her words. He definitely will punish no one else at all, thats what I think.

  • And if he is innocent, do you think he deserves some apology/amends for what he has been made to go through? If so, what should the amends be?

A. If he is innocent, he defenitely desrves apologies and more form the party who sentenced him, maybe by begging for his forgiveness, trying to set things right, by giving him back all that he lost, etc.

These are my answers. Hope you love reading them.

Love

Krishna

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Posted: 19 years ago
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Some questions for you.

    Do you think a fair punishment was handed out to JW or do you think it was a bit over the top? Do you think St. Billo did a right thing by summarily announcing a sentence. Or do you think JW should have been given a opportunity to explain what happen?
  • Pri,

    I think that the punishment of leaving WM was right for JW for his sin. U know maasi was not aware of the circumstances, but don't u think how maasi may have felt when she came to know about this truth. She brought him like his son and I think may be she may have given more importance to JW over his daughter karuna also and she gave him punishment as she took as her own failure as a mother and to some extent she was right in executing everything if she may not have done that then may be bani may have died or something bad may have happened. As a MIL she was right as at that time she did not treat bani as MIL but as a woman and as a mother sharing grief of her daughter.

    She always wanted JW to not repeat the mistake which his father has made and she was highly disappointed at that point with his deeds and she is completely aware of the fact what type of emotional imbalance a lady feels when she is cheated by his husband. U never know how much she herself may have suffered seeing her sister (JW's mother suffering.

    I do agree that cursing JW was not right and no mother would like to do that, but don't u think what she might have undergone doing that and one thing is very clear that mother's curses are not from heart and they don't effect the child and u never know maasi was also aware of that fact.

  • Was St. Billo the only person who should be given the credit/blame for handing out the sentence. Or do you think the rest of the WM crowd by their silence- Dadi, Adi, Rano, Raashi, Anu, Rohit, Ranveer, Jigs and Sahil- are equally to be credited/blamed. (IMHO, Bani is certainly not responsible as she was too numb to react?) I think all the family members were equally responsible in that sentence as they have not spoken or uttered a single word at that time. Anyways I don't expect anything from any family member now after fire scene except for rano. What if JW is found to be innocent? Would you consider his executioners to be guilty of some misdeed? If yes, what should be their punishment? And who would administer that because JW would certainly want to avenge himself even if he finds himself to be innocent?
  • And if he is innocent, do you think he deserves some apology/amends for what he has been made to go through? If so, what should the amends be?
  • I think that maasi and aditya, rano also are going to feel the same sorrow as JW himself or bani and don't u think that they will equally be punished with his punishment. So I don't think any punishment is required for them, but ya of course I want punishment for jigs for pushing bani to start banigiri and ranveer also even if he turns positive (as he has not opened his mouth) and want that duffer sahil to go to hell along with pia.

    Pri,

  • i think now onwards i won't bash ur munna much because he is gonna suffer a lot in next 2-3 months as i read that story is going to take a full circle that means returning to its start and as ur munna is deeply in love with munni so he is going to suffer and i can't say that whether munni is going to suffer anymore or will move on with life smartly without Jw happily.

  • swati
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Posted: 19 years ago
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Swathi
One thing is for sure neither Munna or Munni will be happy without the other.....

The same goes for us staunch JB campers as well...
The ultimate goal is to get JB back together and get little Krishna back in this world!!!!

Nina

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