Arvi track going hum dil de chuke hai sanam style - Page 5

Originally posted by: sharadrocks

@sashashyam

Ma'am, let me clarify at the outset. I am neither a fan of this show nor any of its actors, So, maintaining a semblance of objectivity is not too too much of an ask for me!

The show is a very badly written piece of crap, to be frank. But then, that is the lot of Indian TV currently, barring a few exceptions maybe. So, trying to justify any of these characters or their actions or spewing venom on them for their idiocies is, in my opinion, a wasteful exercise,

For me, this is a kind of literary analysis. Okay, so maybe this is not literature but it is still a work of fiction, As you are only too aware, such analysis does not involve sitting in judgment on characters and their actions. All it requires is making an attempt to understand the character' psyche, his or her motivations, triggers and so on. This is all I attempt to do whenever I make a post.

I have no respect for anybody who celebrates the death on a baby, be it real or fictitious. At the same time, I am also a pro-choice person. In this instance, Purvi chose to have her child. What happened thereafter is not the concern of this particular post. Given the choice that she made, nobody, and I repeat nobody, has the right to talk of the child as a symbol of her disgustingly low morals and so on. I am sorry to say I have seen numerous posts on this forum that have discussed the sexual behaviour of the characters at length and sat in judgment on them. At the risk of offending the high priestesses of morality on this forum, I do not believe that society has the right to tell me when and if I should sleep with a partner of my choice, I do not consider it a sin whether it happens before, after or in between marriages. All sex requires is consent. I don't think even the law deems it as illegal except where it involves soliciting, I think we may see a change in laws vis a vis that too soon. Even an extra marital affair is only grounds for an adultery suit. You cannot jail a man and his partner simply because they slept with each other, Coming to the show, why such hue and cry over consensual sex? Normally, I don't think your past history is any business of your current partner except where there is threat of disease! But, in this case, maybe Arjun should have told Ovi that he was 'soiled goods' as I have heard him and Purvi described on the forum. Maybe then the stupid deal would not have gone through. But then again, maybe Ovi was so obsessed with Arjun that it would have made no difference to her!

Coming to Ovi's child, I am yet to come across a post which says that Ovi's child deserved to die or she deserved that. I am fairly new here and maybe I have missed these posts! All I have seen is posts that have pointed out that Ovi herself did not care for the child to begin with. She did everything within her power to destroy it before it was pointed out to her that the child could be some kind of super glue that would make Arjun stick to her. Subsequently, she went ahead with the pregnancy! So, it was not about wanting to love a baby or even enjoy the pleasures of motherhood. It was only because the child served her purpose. One cannot quarrel with these observations because they only describe what was shown! . But it certainly cannot be denied that, in time, she grew to love the child and hence her breakdown when she eventually found out that her child had died and Pari was not hers!

I would never wish the loss of a child on anyone. So, if somebody has done it or celebrated it, then it certainly cannot be condoned. However, by the same yardstick, wishing that a live human being would rot in hell or die simply because she is not as righteous as you are cannot be condoned either. I am not saying this justified that but simply that both are equally unjustifiable. Spewing venom on people, even if they are fictitious, is something that I am disturbed by! Because somewhere this tendency to sit in as judge and jury spills over into our real lives too! I made a post on this forum saying only this and I was called judgmental for my efforts🥱

Anyway, thanks for taking the time out to interact with me. Truly appreciate it 😃

P.S - with regard to the Madras HC ruling, it may well be struck down. However, it was a case specific judgment and not generic. And the intention of the court was to protect the children born out of that union. To prevent them being labelled as najayaz 🥱...to that extent, I hail the ruling...and wish that word would be labelled unacceptable...a union may not be considered legitimate but how can a child be that...how can life be held as illegitimate...with DNA analysis, parentage can be established too...as men like N.D.Tiwari are discovering to their dismay..

P.P.S - On what Arjun did or did not feel, I cannot comment since I did not watch the episode. I think it is very unfair to assume that a man would not mourn his child simply because it was not born to the woman he loved. It is equally a part of him after all! A lot of things do get left out of a twenty minute episode. May the writers felt that showing Arjun having a breakdown just as Ovi did was not worthy of screen time. If they had felt that it would contribute to their story, they certainly would have done that. With regard to Ovi's baby being the darling of the forum, maybe we will see this come true when Ovi's baby will return eighteen years to take revenge...and then discover that it was her own mother who triggered off the whole mess..and then she will embrace both Purvi and Arjun and disown her mother just as Karan did in Kyunki Saas. Ekta has a predilection for turning children against their parents, you see 🥱

Dear Sharad,

Your tongue is obviously firmly in your cheek, but I don't see Onir as a saint, you know, except perhaps for his devoting himself to providing free medical care for the poor. I am a retired Indian diplomat, and when I was our Ambassador to the Philippines about 18 years ago, I knew their Health Minister, Dr, Juan Flavier,who was exactly like Onir in this respect. He had worked all his life in the slums of Manila and in the small villages nearby. Plus he was the most human saint one could imagine, with a pronounced ability to laugh at himself.

To revert, I see Onir as a realist. He had no idea of falling in love for quite a while, but then he fell for Purvi literally at first sight. He is very astute in the way in which he brings her round to marrying him, and I mean this as a compliment, for he is totally sincere, He does not put the least pressure on her in any way simply because he loves her more than he loves himself, and that kind of forbearance comes more easily to him than to most men as he is so generous and giving in general. A Friday's child, without the shadow of a doubt!

Now, apart from the acute frustration of being cut off from the profession that was his passion, and being subjected to constant vilification whenever he goes out, which must be horrible, he is getting weary of watching his wife and the other man. I cannot think of a single normal husband who would tolerate the kind of interaction between his wife and her ex-lover that Onir does. That part is saintly, if you like! I would call it folly, for it does none of the three any good.

Not being a deluded fool, Onir realises that he will never get from his wife what she shares with Arjun. The jealousy he displays during that rain scene in front of the hospital is real, I think, though it also fits into his scheme of pushing Purvi away from himself and back into what he thinks would be good for her and her child.

I do not think that he would, like Archana and Purvi, see this as a tyaag, but as the most practical solution to their problems. If Onir and Purvi had stayed on in Kolkatta, he would have had Pari as his own daughter, his wife might have in due course forgotten Arjun (yes, one can and does forget one's first love, and this can be total) and grown to love him, differently from what she felt for Arjun but still deeply and sincerely. Like Marianne Dashwood and Colonel Brandon in Jane Austen's Sense and Sensibility. But she is so obstinate about Ovi's treatment that she forces him to come to Mumbai by running away there herself. From then on, with the reappearance of Arjun in Purvi's life, the downwards slide in their relationship has started, though it is not evident till much longer.

Onir being a surgeon, he probably believes that excising a decayed limb is good for the body as a whole. So he thinks it best to move out, in the belief that Purvi will now go back to Arjun. Once you concede this, the rest, of making Purvi detest him. follows, and it is SOP in Indian films. It is also perhaps necessary, for Purvi's sense of self would never have let her do that without all this nautanki. Onir is a much stronger character than Arjun, and once he went away, he would never have looked back or vacillated.

I personally think he is better off without Purvi, given all that has happened by now. He deserves better, for one thing. What I never could understand is the degree of stoicism he displays after being banished from his profession ( after a court procedure that was a worse farce than the norm). This is really hard to believe, especially when he gets neither concern nor moral support from his wife, who is bothered only about her baby and her mother. What happens to Onir is the sort of thing that can destroy a man, but he soldiers on, without the least trace of self pity. Most men would crack up with frustration, and would take it out at home, becoming very hard to live with.

As for Purvi, she seems to have no clue as to what a man like him, with a reputation like his, in a situation like the one he has ended up in thanks to their combined folly, would feel. That too is incredible for me. She is self-centred about her parivaar, but so self-centred?

Lastly, about the real parts in Purvi. After she is confronted with the situation of being the other woman, what I blame her for is not checking with people in Kolkatta, Shambu Dada or Onir's friend, or that Dr, Bhargava. I would have thought that a Nosy Parker like Purvi, so adept at ferreting our Punni's secrets, could have tried her hand at this quite successfully, but she does not even think about it. Strange.

Lastly, while I do believe that Onir is best off without Purvi, I am not sure what is going to happen. As I wrote elsewhere, I have a sneaking suspicion that by now, she is nowhere near as involved with Arjun as Onir imagines, and much more affected by Onir's 'betrayal' than would be warranted by mere anger. She also misses their life together and remembers all his kindness and affection towards her, something that I had not expected. If she ever finds out about this hoodwinking exercise, she will go back to Onir like a shot, and not just out of a feeling of guilt.

I seem to be falling into my old habit of endless argument back and forth, thanks to the quality of your analysis, which is fresh and appealing. But enough is enough, and I will cry halt here, before your eyes glaze over!

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Originally posted by: shk281

If Ovi got pregnant with AK then I doubt she would keep the baby. She didn't want the baby the first time as it would keep her from modeling which was her passion and its all that she has now. The only reason she kept the first baby was to get Arjun's love and now she doesn't want Arjun so why would she want his baby? So that shouldn't be a problem for ArVi and Pari :)