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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: smrth

Arshi and Kaadal as light relevance, counterpart shloka (from the same post I mentioned on P5)...'Flowery' translation is all mine. So indulge the exuberance, after all, it's about my fav. Charecter...😳

Kumud,
(Lotus)
Adharam madhuram, vadanam madhuram,
Nayanam madhuram, hasinam madhuram...
Lips mellowed, Person pleasant,
Eyes luscious, smile soothing...

Cvs are surely clever in their choices!👏


Flowery but beautiful, does justice to Kumud's character.😊 A bland translation would not match her teekha persona!
Edited by arshicritic - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
I was wondering main kahan phus gayi among all you intellectuals. But since we all have been declared certified loonies, I can post my reply here with a peace of mind😆

Not touching the shlokas as I am not competent to discuss it. Meant to post this earlier, addressing some comments I saw, just my POV -

Mythology is stories of the very gods and goddesses we worship. One doesn't have to be religious to read mythology. But if you are religious, you are reading mythology. Saras' interest in mythology is not so far fetched then. Mythology is not to be confused with superstition IMHO. I would attribute his excitement at that point to the auspicious date for his marriage being the same as Shiv-Parvati's, Ram-Sita.

There is a difference between knowing and believing.

Astrology is a branch of science. Hotdogg had a lovely post on it. Connecting it to religion or spirituality is an individual choice, both are subjective. Saras is an intelligent man with varied interests (in the novel and they may want to portray this aspect in the show too). He is not superstitious. He protested against the superstitious things pandit asked VC to do.

He may have studied Astrology out of curiosity, as an interest. Or he could have possibly wanted to explore it to look for any connection with religion or spirituality or even just to get some answers for the basis of superstitions. Where, when and how he studied it would be a bigger logic ki vaat IMHO.

It could have also just been a convenient ploy.

Edit - adding Arshi's points -

Spirituality and religion are also not to be confused with each other.

One can be spiritual yet not religious and vice versa.
Ok done with gadde murdhe ukhaadna😆
Edited by Infofan - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: smrth

Arshi and Kaadal as light relevance, counterpart shloka (from the same post I mentioned on P5)...'Flowery' translation is all mine. So indulge the exuberance, after all, it's about my fav. Charecter...😳

Kumud,
(Lotus)
Adharam madhuram, vadanam madhuram,
Nayanam madhuram, hasinam madhuram...
Lips mellowed, Person pleasant,
Eyes luscious, smile soothing...

Cvs are surely clever in their choices!👏


Thanks for sharing this. CV's are surely clever in their choice. Beautiful words for a beautiful girl.

Us din khuda bhi bahut kush rahe honge
Jis din iss ladki ko apne roop singaar diya hoga...
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: Infofan

I was wondering main kahan phus gayi among all you intellectuals. But since we all have been declared certified loonies, I can post my reply here with a peace of mind😆

Not touching the shlokas as I am not competent to discuss it. Meant to post this earlier, addressing some comments I saw, just my POV -

Mythology is stories of the very gods and goddesses we worship. One doesn't have to be religious to read mythology. But if you are religious, you are reading mythology. Saras' interest in mythology is not so far fetched then. Mythology is not to be confused with superstition IMHO. I would attribute his excitement at that point to the auspicious date for his marriage being the same as Shiv-Parvati's, Ram-Sita.

There is a difference between knowing and believing.

Astrology is a branch of science. Hotdogg had a lovely post on it. Connecting it to religion or spirituality is an individual choice, both are subjective. Saras is an intelligent man with varied interests (in the novel and they may want to portray this aspect in the show too). He is not superstitious. He protested against the superstitious things pandit asked VC to do.

He may have studied Astrology out of curiosity, as an interest. Or he could have possibly wanted to explore it to look for any connection with religion or even just to get some answers for the basis of superstitions. Where, when and how he studied it would be a bigger logic ki vaat IMHO.

It could have also just been a convenient ploy.

Ok done with gadde murdhe ukhaadna😆


Nicely summed up Nandy, just want to add another point to it.

Spirituality and religion are also not to be confused with each other.

One can be spiritual yet not religious and vice versa.

Here of course I am defining a religious person as someone who practices religion through its established rituals

This definition itself is my understanding of a religious person and hence contentious.
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: arshicritic


Nicely summed up Nandy, just want to add another point to it.

Spirituality and religion are also not to be confused with each other.

One can be spiritual yet not religious and vice versa.

Here of course I am defining a religious person as someone who practices religion through its established rituals

This definition itself is my understanding of a religious person and hence contentious.



@ bold - I was just going to edit my post with the very same comment. You got to it before me.

So good, all settled then😆
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: Infofan

I was wondering main kahan phus gayi among all you intellectuals. But since we all have been declared certified loonies, I can post my reply here with a peace of mind😆

Not touching the shlokas as I am not competent to discuss it. Meant to post this earlier, addressing some comments I saw, just my POV -

Mythology is stories of the very gods and goddesses we worship. One doesn't have to be religious to read mythology. But if you are religious, you are reading mythology. Saras' interest in mythology is not so far fetched then. Mythology is not to be confused with superstition IMHO. I would attribute his excitement at that point to the auspicious date for his marriage being the same as Shiv-Parvati's, Ram-Sita.

There is a difference between knowing and believing.

Astrology is a branch of science. Hotdogg had a lovely post on it. Connecting it to religion or spirituality is an individual choice, both are subjective. Saras is an intelligent man with varied interests (in the novel and they may want to portray this aspect in the show too). He is not superstitious. He protested against the superstitious things pandit asked VC to do.

He may have studied Astrology out of curiosity, as an interest. Or he could have possibly wanted to explore it to look for any connection with religion or spirituality or even just to get some answers for the basis of superstitions. Where, when and how he studied it would be a bigger logic ki vaat IMHO.

It could have also just been a convenient ploy.

Edit - adding Arshi's points -

Spirituality and religion are also not to be confused with each other.

One can be spiritual yet not religious and vice versa.
Ok done with gadde murdhe ukhaadna😆


So Nandy, hope, am making some sense now. This was what I had been pointing out from the first post here...( substitute 'religion' with astrology in last line above)

@ 'logic ki vaat' ( another gem from Arshi)
Well, it stands blown from the outset. Last but a foremost thought- ' if they are showing him an adept amateur of astrology, how may they show him so happy and contended about Marriage, Muhurt etc.? By logic, (his proficiency), should he not see the 'fate' that is awaiting them?"
So Arshi is right. We should take it as another 'nice thing' tossed in the list without much significance. As well, should enjoy it as another light moment perhaps.

Edited by smrth - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: kaadal


Thanks for sharing this. CV's are surely clever in their choice. Beautiful words for a beautiful girl.

Us din khuda bhi bahut kush rahe honge
Jis din iss ladki ko apne roop singaar diya hoga...


That's so nice Kadaal..ttoo much of Saras here...see how refreshing she is.😆 Thanks.
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: smrth


That's so nice Kadaal..ttoo much of Saras here...see how refreshing she is.😆 Thanks.


Dragging in another CB here, could you tell me which Ghulam Ali ghazal you were referring to?

The lines you quoted don't seem to be the opening lines, and I can't place them !

And such beautiful lines!
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: smrth


So Nandy, hope, am making some sense now. This was what I had been pointing out from the first post here...( substitute 'religion' with astrology in last line above)

@ 'logic ki vaat' ( another gem from Arshi)
Well, it stands blown from the outset. Last but a foremost thought- ' if they are showing him an adept amateur of astrology, how may they show him so happy and contended about Marriage, Muhurt etc.? By logic, (his proficiency), should he not see the 'fate' that is awaiting them?"
So Arshi is right. We should take it as another 'nice thing' tossed in the list without much significance. As well, should enjoy it as another light moment perhaps.


Finally got the point you were making smrth, I think the reason we took so long to get to it, is because we all take these words very casually and needed the discussion to actually examine our own definitions and conceptions before realising what you were saying all along was what we all felt too!

So next time please bear with us when we nag you!

Der aaye durust aaye!
Edited by arshicritic - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
Interesting observations and nice poetry 😊

I wonder what is in store for us viewers...using one of the most cliched dhamki's of negative female characters... we will have to " Wait and Watch"

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