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Posted: 12 years ago

There appears to be quite some difficulty in going beyond the personalised consciousness. Thats only natural I guess. Learning is as much a process of deprogramming as much as acquiring or acquainting with something new.Learning something new, must be preceded by a process of deprogramming that eliminates pre-existing paradigms and misconceptions. 🤔

Learning physiologically is a process of conditioning. It involves recruitment of neural networks or pathways, which after sufficient time and repetitions get established.Many of our belief systems and thought processes post conditioning work below the consciousness horizon. Once the template is set, these can become an integral part of an individuals perceptive and thought processes. We scarcely realize that these deeply etched programs serve as major deterrents from learning anything new. That partly explains why adults need a longer while to learn a new skill like computers or a new language whereas kids seem to take to this new skill like a fish takes to water. Could be because the kids hard disc is unformatted and can imbibe a new concept faster and better than an adult who first has to undo some hardwired programs. 😛

Hmmm…these established neural networks would then increase the resistance to accepting fresh thoughts and ideas. Also, the extreme obsession with form precludes any tryst with the formless. Pouring in a cup that's full is non productive. The zen concept of emptying the cup before trying to fill it makes sense.

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Posted: 12 years ago


@Bold is where I am on a fence about the topic. Is consciousness derived from the brain or resides outside of the brain; and if it resides outside of the brain then why do we all have different thoughts, shouldn't there be a common consciousness process, where we all can read each others mind (not that I ever want to read your mind 😆)

Even the (one-cell) unicellular organism supposedly has brain ( amoeba which hold nucleus, a brain like organ) which controls their actions and runs on senses.

@ Bold: Right ..and just like you, the consciousness too can be on the fence ( Or appear to be there ..😛 ) ...Now think of this ..You visualize something exciting...😛.. ..So where is that thought exactly ? Inside your brain ? Or outside that ? where you portray a virtual image ? ...So its a coordinated occurrence...Also remember that even the particles like Electrons ..reside in an uncertain Cloud space ...And they are unstable until they reach the octet state ...

@ Blue: ...WTH ..😆 ..And you think I ll believe ya there ? You were inside my mind yesterday ...disguised as a dragonfly ...reading the wacky tale ..😆 ..Wait I ll prove that ...Um ..Will ya come with me to see the Eiffel tower this Sunday ? ..Eh ? ...No of course...😆 ..and I ll tell ya why ...Cause you are afraid ..that I ll either push ya off that ..or jump myself screaming aloud "Catch her ... She is the one...who pushed me down .." to create more trouble for ya than I do here on DM ...<<<< 😆 .. .Which means you have read my mind ..and pretty well ..😆

Vintu ...😛


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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: _Angie_

Thanks for that correction Aarya :) The point I was trying to make was that if an anatomical separation of the brain hemispheres is thought to be the cause of split consciousness and thereby indicating brain as the seat of origin of consciousness like you said, it does not hold in case of MPD or DID where the two hemispheres are connected and yet the patient can exhibit multiple ( upto s 10-15 or even more! ) dfferent personalities with apparently no memory shared between some of them! One brain 'multiple Ids with separate memories- Where would the seat of consciousness be in such cases !?


@ Bold: Excuse ME again...😆 ..But this is getting nastier by the page... The topic on hand is " Where we came from " <<<<< ..So for heavens sake will ya two please stop discussing ME ? ..( I mean my case ..) .

Vintu...😛
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: _Angie_

Okay ..Send em over to me 😊...I just saw their future in my crystal ball ..They came to tinker the ball and never went back after I tinkered their brains . Hahaha.. You looked great lodging a complaint of them Going Missing after that ...😆

Hahaha ... Sure Sure ..Total the aliens and make me richer ...Cause I'm the nominee there of their insurance cover ...😆

Yes of course ...😊 ...And that's worrisome..cause all your expectations are coming true one after another ..Now don't expect me to land up in jail ...Well ...Well ..😆

Vintu...😛




Edited by Vintage.Wine - 12 years ago

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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: K.Universe.




Does the color red reside in the apple or in your brain?



Why are there different types of fundamental particles? Why not just one type? Physically, that will get us into strings. Metaphysically, it will get us into purpose and philosophy. And then, you yourself will accuse us of digressing.






I guess this is where we might stumble on the Macro scale ...Until we find out that amusing non baryonic substance that floats everywhere ....Cosmic strings ? Or may be Illusion ? <<<<Cause by weak gravitation ? ...If this is true ..we all the mapping of cosmic objects..like Galaxies and all would prove to be scaffy exercise ...

I mean a total waste of time so far ..And it might even mean that the distances that we have calculated are all vague ..This is insane ...Can there be particles in such a humongous amount that interact weakly with all matter ? ..If that's true then I guess K ...We have a clue to solve this mystery behind local consciousness ...

Vintu...😊
Edited by Vintage.Wine - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: -Aarya-

http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/18/us/planet-discovery/index.html

And there is hope for life elsewhere and maybe, just maybe it will give answers to our questions

Thought I share it here...


What are we finding here? The God or Demons ? ...Wow ..That's a great strategy Aarya...Yeah...Invite those cosmic criminals to earth .....(And this time from 1200 light years away .. ) So that they cause a havoc here and make more people lose faith ...

Vintu...😛
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Posted: 12 years ago
From our Mum's vajayjay. DUH.
Edited by StopDropNTroll - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
It's like politics or sex. Why talk about it?
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: Vintage.Wine

@ Bold: Right ..and just like you, the consciousness too can be on the fence ( Or appear to be there ..😛 ) ...Now think of this ..You visualize something exciting...😛.. ..So where is that thought exactly ? Inside your brain ? Or outside that ? where you portray a virtual image ? ...So its a coordinated occurrence...Also remember that even the particles like Electrons ..reside in an uncertain Cloud space ...And they are unstable until they reach the octet state ...

@ Blue: ...WTH ..😆 ..And you think I ll believe ya there ? You were inside my mind yesterday ...disguised as a dragonfly ...reading the wacky tale ..😆 ..Wait I ll prove that ...Um ..Will ya come with me to see the Eiffel tower this Sunday ? ..Eh ? ...No of course...😆 ..and I ll tell ya why ...Cause you are afraid ..that I ll either push ya off that ..or jump myself screaming aloud "Catch her ... She is the one...who pushed me down .." to create more trouble for ya than I do here on DM ...<<<< 😆 .. .Which means you have read my mind ..and pretty well ..😆

Vintu ...😛




I believe we have been going in circles about the seed of consciousness, and I suggest we take it to the next level. How do you perceive the functions of consciousness? So basically can we make decisions or even perform voluntary actions without consciousness?

Edited by -Aarya- - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: Vintage.Wine


What are we finding here? The God or Demons ? ...Wow ..That's a great strategy Aarya...Yeah...Invite those cosmic criminals to earth .....(And this time from 1200 light years away .. ) So that they cause a havoc here and make more people lose faith ...

Vintu...😛



I guess the demon in you is wide awake now. 😆

Btw, do you believe faith is only associated with religion?

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