Where do you think we came from? - Page 105

Originally posted by: Vintage.Wine

That was precisely what I was trying to imply in my earlier post ...The neurons can only Elevate the level of consciousness ...They don't engender that ...And since every thing in this Universe ...is made of quantum particles ...which have Spin and move in orbits ..There is nothing that's motionless ...If you have ever come across to research papers on DNA / RNA and their role in making the Micro Organism conscious you would know that there is no proven Co relation ..between em ...The neuron transportation can only make things look more conscious, more lively widening the range over which a stimuli response can be generated ..

So to sum up all ..Consciousness is everywhere ..Even the rocks and oceans .As you too stated ...So Brain I guess has no role whatsoever in making someone conscious ( On the most subtle level ) ..😊

May be due to the wavefunction collapse we can't perceive everything that lies in a indeterminate frame of reference ..It's the same as light spectrum that our eyes can see ..And there exist Ultra Violet and Infra Red radiations ..that the eyes can't see..That's cause of the reduce, determinate frame of reference ..

Pertaining to the energy aspect ...I would like to ask ya ..What do ya think was the total energy of the thermal equilibrium ? ..And let's consider only the first known particles at that time ...Infinite ? ..😆 ...A lot depends on that I guess ..as we know that the Universe's total energy must remain constant .Unless it's a black hole ( Particle / Energy co relation ) ..that's sucking more matter from another domain that falls closer to it's accretion disk ..Is that the reason why the mass to luminosity ratio has been decreasing ? ..

Vintu ...😊

Originally posted by: _Angie_

Yes both the hemispheres of the brain are used to to process information :) Most patients of corpus callosotomy experience some difficulty in the immediate post op period due to the dissociation between left and right brain but seem to get over it and are able to function normally as far as I know. Could check it further. If we consider the splitting of the nerve fibres as the cause of a split even if temporary it fails to explain cases of multiple personality disorders like Schizophrenia where no such multiple splits have been documented. Referring back to the TV analogy the blockage of transmission hampering the images on the screen need not indicate the TV as the origin of the images.

Originally posted by: _Angie_

The evidence for extraterrestrial life is increasing Aarya, but even if we are to consider the panspermia theory doesn't it only amount to pushing the question to another corner ?

Originally posted by: -Aarya-

I believe there is a difference between schizophrenia and multiple personality disorders. In schizophrenia a person is characterized by having both hallucinations and delusions. While multiple personality disorders (now known as Dissociative Identity Disorder - DID) a person is characterized by a set of one or more distinct identities that a person believes to exist within themselves. I am not sure how many similarities do these disorders have with epilepsy.

Originally posted by: -Aarya-

We have been pushing the original question of this thread to different corner ever since last 132 pages 😆

My purpose for posting was to question the theory of God and creations, a circular reference. :)

Originally posted by: -Aarya-

@Bold is where I am on a fence about the topic. Is consciousness derived from the brain or resides outside of the brain;


Does the color red reside in the apple or in your brain?


and if it resides outside of the brain then why do we all have different thoughts, shouldn't there be a common consciousness process, where we all can read each others mind (not that I ever want to read your mind 😆)

Why are there different types of fundamental particles? Why not just one type? Physically, that will get us into strings. Metaphysically, it will get us into purpose and philosophy. And then, you yourself will accuse us of digressing.


Even the (one-cell) unicellular organism supposedly has brain ( amoeba which hold nucleus, a brain like organ) which controls their actions and runs on senses.

I already cited those organisms without a nervous system. "brain-like" is not a brain. You still have to find out and let us know what makes those organisms tick. I asked you if you think they are on auto-pilot and what is driving their existence. You didn't answer yet.

Originally posted by: K.Universe.

Originally posted by: _Angie_

Thanks for that correction Aarya :) The point I was trying to make was that if an anatomical separation of the brain hemispheres is thought to be the cause of split consciousness and thereby indicating brain as the seat of origin of consciousness like you said, it does not hold in case of MPD or DID where the two hemispheres are connected and yet the patient can exhibit multiple ( upto s 10-15 or even more! ) dfferent personalities with apparently no memory shared between some of them! One brain 'multiple Ids with separate memories- Where would the seat of consciousness be in such cases !?

Originally posted by: _Angie_

when we talked about the origin of "the Universe" or the big bang or even multiverses I thought it included the origin of all the different planetary systems and any other corner of the Universe that may have hosted life before it could migrate to the earth! hmmm...and what difference would that make to the theory of God or creation ? If the Creator can create on Earth I dont see why the Creator would have any problem with creating on any other planet? ...unless the theory states somewhere that God had exclusive rights over only the Earth :)

Originally posted by: -Aarya-

My question was related to split consciousness scenario and not seat consciousness. Though the same was asked by K few pages back and I had responded on pg 127 & pg 128.