Episode 236 Discussion: 3rd April 2013 - Page 14

Originally posted by: FazzyBoom

Yes!! Thank you for saying this, They're my thoughts exactly!

She hasn't provoked RK, She hasn't flirted with Sultan and she doesn't deserve this disgust.

RK's own insecurities provoke him.

Madhu's only being courteous to Sultan because he FELL. In fact, she's closer to Kaka and Aryan, but she always maintains a distance from Sultan.

At the end of the day, this is a girl who is trying to move on from a marriage she thought would last forever. She's trying to return normalcy to not only her life but also Aryan's. Sultan et al are just part of the package.

It saddens me to see Madhu being judged so harshly.

Originally posted by: _charu_

@ bold

That's why my mood was put off that day. When dancing, you need that fluidity as well. So choreography was not that great...structural flaw when CVs had been planning Holi sequence for days...if the point of coloring in the next day episode (EP 237)invoked so much beauty, why had they wanted to invoke disgust in this dancing occasion. And hence I could not connect to Rishbala passion even if love might have been absent. Whereas so many Rishbala fans loved that dance. I tell you, I for sure felt in minority and was looking that day for a dance expert to ask about my doubts. I was missing my previous forum friend Samanalyse as she knew dance...

But now I can ask sweetdear, who also happens to know dance.😊

Sweetdear,

Page 14 I've posted videos. And my question is ...was there a continuity in the choreography for episode 236 (aired on 3rd Apr) ? Did you see harmony between the emotion, dance, dance form and the platform ?

Thanks in advance.

ETA:

I got the feeling that the point of choreography was to invoke disgust rather than elation.

Edited by 0-SD-0 - 12 years ago

Originally posted by: UDEY

Charu

Thanks for this compilation ... totally loved it .. 😊

I too was thinking of all those past dances, as I watched d current one ..

Originally posted by: 0-SD-0

Hi Shri, feel so honored here😳 with your invite.thank you very much.

Let me pen down what I felt looking at the dance here...purely my pov😳,

Dance is primarily has to be the expression of the inner most feelings. As a choreographer(not full time though 😆), I do feel dance is the best way to express when everything else fails, it also helps to portray the equation between two individuals.

I read your post in which u said you were not happy with the dance form. But being a dancer, I have realized, in any of our Indian dance forms like for ex, Bharatanatyam,Kathak,folk etc..there can not be much intimacy shown..whereas contemporary dance form allows two people to get close and in the process won't invoke any disgust.

I agree Lord Shiv-Parvathi are known to express their passion through dance and they have always shown dancing in Bharath Natyam. Whereas Krishna, Radha and Gopikas' danced in Kathak.But the thing is not everybody can emote so well and Bharatanatyam, Kathak( Indian classical form)requires and it requires many years of rigorous practice and dedication. Hence the current set of choreographers tend to take the easy and explainable way to show two people close n intimate by choosing contemporary dance form.

Per the videos:-

Geet:-

In this video, Maan is the lead.Geet is just the follower..she is least resistant here due to the reasons for the dance. She is just giving in to his passion. Whereas the song portrays Maan's state of mind.it says Kurbaan hua ...every word in the lyrics talks about him..it's his self talk reg his new emotions about this girl. Hence all the twists,twirls,pulling..and he admits at one point that she is now subconsciously has become his everything as he has lost himself to her..hence the LIFT @ Kurbaan hua.

Madhubala:

The dance here shows the conflict of both the individuals..and kudos for selecting such an apt song...the lyrics suited so well to this situation of two stubborn yet giving in couple.

If we observe the dance, Initially Madhu resists his pull...couple of times..and that's when he smirks..cos he knows she might initially resist but for sure she is going to end up in his arms..and thats when he pulls her to their signature pose. The smirk in his dance should be treated as his confidence that in the end she belongs in his arms and he will make sure she is there where she belongs.

Whereas Madhu's dance comprises of her anger at herself for giving in to him so easily,her hurt due to their past..hence she doesn't smile. and also at the same time she is very clear that this is where she belongs though with little disgust at him for making this a PDA..hence she continues to dance and doesnt jerk him away!!she actually does not want to give in but so helpless she can't stop herself from doing it and hopelessly tries to get away from him at every opportunity only to end up being so close to him. This is when he pulls,twists...This is when they describe her as morni..and him as mor as he is dancing for her..to woo her!! Raag n Raagini as they are inseparable!!

Jaise Chaand Ke Sang Chandani
Jaise Raag Ke Sang Hai Ragini
Jaise Bhari Basant Mein Morani
Piya Ke Rang Rang Deeni Odhani

Now the LIFT... It's basically for both of them..as they both longing to be with each other in each other's embraces...

The beauty of the lift here being..their inner most intimate desire of submitting to each other unconditionally ..complete SAMARPAN!!! And hence the lyrics...

Tujhe Pehanu Odhu Bichaau Main
Tujhe Bhar Ke Saanson Mein Gaau Main

During the lift, they both feel at bliss hence they close their eyes involuntarily to relish the heavenly moment.

There is a moment where he twirls her so harshly that she stumbles..this is his punishment for her as she didn't give him his haq(right) of being the first one to apply her the color..and he clearly has the haq to even hurt her whenever she snatches his haq from him but at the end he will be always be the ONE who will CATCH her when she is about to fall to save her n will be her savior forever!!!

One difference between both the dances is the attire...

In Geet..they are in party wear...whereas in MB they are in traditional wear to make them suit for the occasion in both the instances.

I have tried my best Shri😳... Please lemme know what you all have to say😊. Hope I did justice here while explaining on both the dances.

Originally posted by: 0-SD-0

Sweetdear,

Thank you very much for taking your time and explaining it.

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I agree Lord Shiv-Parvathi are known to express their passion through dance and they have always shown dancing in Bharath Natyam. Whereas Krishna, Radha and Gopikas' danced in Kathak.But the thing is not everybody can emote so well and Bharatanatyam, Kathak( Indian classical form)requires and it requires many years of rigorous practice and dedication. Hence the current set of choreographers tend to take the easy and explainable way to show two people close n intimate by choosing contemporary dance form.

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@bolded - agreed and totally valid. That's what I said too in my page 14 post. So that means I took it correctly. 😃

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Re Geet

Agree with you. That was totally Maan there...Maan and his feelings...so helpless he was in anger at her for everything she does to him 😆. And so far Geet has been the best woman for me. To me Geet stands on a higher pedestal than Madhu...though I should not compare the two. In that dance poor girl...my heart went to her that time.

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Re Rishbala dance.

I understood everything that you explained here...I saw the same things when watching and felt the same emotions...Why RK is smirking, why is he pulling and twisting her and why it was right of him to do so...his confidence and his right...and yet I felt disgusted. And I was angry that Madhu did not break away from him and run to her apt. Why she needed to be standing upto him, when its gonna hurt her only.

That day my first post was about how it had been difficult to watch and to augment my pain Sultan was watching to stamp it ...that I was feeling it correct. So my conscience wanted him to close his eyes and not look at man and wife...telling him...they are enacting their story, their drama and so don't react. In my post I said the same to Sultan which in fact I was telling myself. The same I had explained to pnars later on middle pages (I guess page 9).

So now I understand, why I was so disgusted and was pained. I was pained for Madhu so much that I was angry ...not at her yielding (that I already take it as granted and given), not at Rishabh's claiming, wooing and hurting her (I already accept that lovers have the right to hurt each other, punish each other and make it up also) ...I was angry that Madhu gave the opportunity for him to claim her...I really wished her to be like she was today in Sat episode...lashing at him. She should have done Laasya instead 😆. Later on I cooled down by talking respite in watching Lathmaar Holi.

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I think what I felt most that day was...my posts generated lot of unnecessary flak with focus on my anger... I made my peace and came back to EDT, only to see lot of reaction there.

I needed some objective answer that also took me close to LOVE...someone showing me not pain but that there is hope. Don't worry kinds... I got that only from Uttara's post...through that Drum symbol.

The way you have explained Madhu's pain and the lift. EML has worded the same exact thing on Page 5.

Gosh!! I get so emotionally angry at injustice of the situation that my rationale keeps shouting even before I am able to take the pain...And inspite of all my understanding of later things, I become the hard-hearted person, showing my cold logic, instead of being sympathetic. I was so with Madhu that day and yet I came across as the one who was not with her. Sigh !!! my inexplicable emotional reactions. 😔

Thank you very much. Your response restores me now. As in all that anger I felt at PDA and the disgust I had was actually being given out by Madhu herself, and I got more angrier that she was causing it to herself.

I needed this explanation otherwise I would have gone to my grave, thinking why my reaction was so extreme when so many others were able to give their response in different manner. I am usually so quick in things, that sometimes it gets difficult for me to articulate what are the n number of reasons at my simple NO or YES and that too when I say it with vehemence and keep sticking to it. I know I am right, but it hurts me very much for being responsive in that manner.

I think when I react like this next time and get the urge to post it (because I feel I need to express/show the injustice to everyone), I should not. I should just write it my blog...wait...and then slowly try to articulate my point...because this is not work...and not any real life situation to be acting swift;y...it is just a drama...but since it is art, which I really appreciate, I would still like to add my commentary...I should just take deep breath and go slow...

Once again as that technical expert explaining to me, I thank you. My need is to be conceptually clear. 😊