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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: 0-SD-0

Angeena,


The way I see for olden days writers, they gave viewers...with wives bored in their marriage...which was leading on to ...Break up of marriage Institution.

The olden way of thinking...Shaadi ...Saat Janmo ka Rishta...was being questioned.

Methinks Tagore and all those writers paved way for dissolution of marriage which was something unthinkable in olden days.


That was literature. With a purpose.



But here in 21st century, I don't see much social purpose for portrayal other than ST trying to be realistic and asking everyone one to come out of their romantic pink colored glasses that we wear to watch life around us. Infact I admire that he brought in the complexities. I always remember Rekha and Anant Nag in Kalyug Movie of Shyam Benegal, how Rekha the Bhabhi consoles her brother in law by the end of the movie when his wife is standing there looking at them...unable to give him the peace of mind that her aunt her was giving to him...Yes...to add in more complexity, Supriya Pathak the wife happens to be her niece married to her brother-in-law. Can it get more complicated 🤪

In real life...I have an example of Govinda marrying his aunt's sister. As in his paternal uncle has a wife who has a very young sister Sunita. Govinda and Sunita fell in love since adoloscents and finally got secretly married, ofcourse with Govinda taking his mother's permission. Its ridiculous ...as in how would Govinda would have addressed her ..."aunty" 😲 and yet they look such a cute couple.

Coming back to ST's purpose...
ST purposefully made all easy way outs adding cartoonish feel to complex topics.
A dewar who hates his Bhaabhi
A Bhaabhi who is immoral
So here nothing can happen and yet he keeps rubbing that relationship over us.😡



Sorry about the digressions...just trying to increase the view of our horizon.



Well said...Shri
Your post on the dewar-bhabhi abuse was too good and really apt for today👏
As you said all the literary writers had a specific purpose...
Even if we say it happens in real life it is always under wraps... because it really
disgusts people (even if the people involved have genuine feelings)
So in that respect.. what they are showing between RK and Dips brings a bad taste in the
mouth and is completely gross.. The character Dips is in perennial heat if I may so.. It would
be poetic justice if she were to be thrown out not by RK but by her husband.. and his family if at all it makes any difference to her.
Hope the CV's really do something about it..


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Posted: 12 years ago
#22

Originally posted by: vkk2429

Well said...Shri
Your post on the dewar-bhabhi abuse was too good and really apt for today👏
As you said all the literary writers had a specific purpose...
Even if we say it happens in real life it is always under wraps... because it really
disgusts people (even if the people involved have genuine feelings)
So in that respect.. what they are showing between RK and Dips brings a bad taste in the
mouth and is completely gross.. The character Dips is in perennial heat if I may so..It would be poetic justice if she were to be thrown out not by RK but by her husband.. and his family if at all it makes any difference to her.
Hope the CV's really do something about it..



Krithika.

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Same here. I want that. Nothing less than that. 👍🏼
Edited by 0-SD-0 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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I was looking for this movie...Ek Chaddar Maili Si...based on Rajinder Singh Bedi's novella...


Nothing to do with RK-Dipali, it just adds to the discussion.
Edited by Soundarya22 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: 0-SD-0


Krithika.

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Same here. I want that. Nothing less than that. 👍🏼


Exactly!! nothing less. Any point in tweeting that we find it incestuous, and they should stay away from exploring it further ...??
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Soundarya22

I was looking for this movie...Ek Chaddar Maili Si...based on Rajinder Singh Bedi's novella...



Nothing to do with RK-Dipali, it just adds to the discussion.


Yes I remember this movie. It was a raging topic in school next day when we first saw it on Doordarshan.


Another teleserial that took this DISGUSTING THEME ahead was Gulaal.

Thing is atleast ST makes it openly allowed to get disgusted for us. The Movie Ek Chaader Si Maili is also painful.

But Gulaal, I can never understand viewers liking it to so much for Neil and Manasi pairing. Ridiculous 🤪

P:S: Sounds, do hyperlink your links. The icon next to smileys and insert image on the post menu.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Good discussion about Dewar-bhabhi relation.

I want to take it a step further and make it stark. I hope you guys will take me in the right spirit.

The equation between RK-Dipali is strictly viewed by me as a "Man and Woman". No so called relationship that society thrusts on them comes in to the picture. When you remove all the strapping of rules and regulations that society dictates on the humans (there is a good reason for that, I don't deny it. That is what makes us different from the animals.), at the very basic core, these are just 2 characters of different species here. That is how I view their interaction. At least I think that is what Dipali may also think. RK being a man, probably sees her as a woman first and then his Bhabhi.

No doubt about the fact that since we live in a society, we need to follow its rules and remain within the roles that are being thrust upon us. That does not mean, these very basic fundamental undercurrents may not sometime bubble up.

Am I making any sense here? If not, please ignore this post.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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I veer between thinking that RK thinks of Dips as his bhabhi first, then his ex-girlfriend. Between this is the issues between them, and his insane need to control everyone around him. Add in his hatred of indifference and the relations between them become more complicated.
But let me King Alexander and cut the gordian knot. Whatever the undercurrents, the facts are thus: She is married to his stepbrother. Whether he recognizes the relation or not, it is there. As a superstar he is always mindful of how he is portrayed to society. All this=nothing should happen between them. Period. If he is going to use her to make Madhu jealous, then he opens up a can of worms.
Either way, I agree that Sikky should be the one to throw her out.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Rishbaala - A behavioural analysis.

RK the insolent cracked child's socio study case - Jean Piaget's theory .

credits given to my Socio book by Anthony Giddens.😃 moving on.Sorry for this bhasshan.

Piaget's theory on childhood divides the periods of childhood into 4 main stages:
1. Sensorimotor stage - [from birth till 2 years] Here in this stage children learn by touching objects around them and physically exploring their environment. However in this age they cannot differentiate the objects from one to another. However they realize by 2 , that their environment has different and stable properties.

2.Pre operational stage- [2-7 years] In this stage , children learn words to represent objects and images in a symbolic fashion.A 4 year old can use a sweeping hand movement to represent an aeroplane , for eample. Children are ego centric in this age . Actually they develop egocentrism according to Piaget in this age. As the child is only able to interpret the world in the terms of his own little understanding. Like , a child holding a book in front of you will ask you to see the pictures despite the back of the book being turned to you.
3. Concrete operational stage- [7-11 years] Children master abstract and logical notions. They can by now recognize false reasoning .However they fail to perceive perception . For example , they won't be able to understand that a wide container will hold more water despite the level of water being lower than in a narrow thin container.

And NOW FINALLY THE CATCH. The final stage- Formal operational stage [12-15 years] helps us understand things like the water example given above..BUT. Yes there is a big BUT over here.Many people around us FAIL to achieve the last stage of normal childhood around us due to the dysfunctional conditions of our family. Therefore this stage helps to make children develop seeing all types of possibilities for a problem but people who fail at experiencing this stage due to a broken back ground and broken surrounding , cannot differentiate all the possibilities and REMAIN EGOCENTRIC. DOES IT FINALLY CLICK NOW? RK NEVER WENT THROUGH THE FORMAL OPERATIONAL STAGE. I'M QUOTING, " ADULTS OF BAD BACKGROUND OR LIMITED EDUCATIONAL ATTAINMENT TEND TO THINK IN MORE CONRETE TERMS THAN TRYING TO UNDERSTAND A SECOND PERSON'S FEELINGS AND THEREFORE STILL RETAIN LARGE TRACES OF EGOCENTRISM." Therefore , RK and many people like RK have never been through the proper last stage of childhood and therefore their flecks of past childhood transitions remain the way they are as they grow into adults. For the reason , we still see a very complicated screwed up child inside RK cause that is what he is . His childhood process has been screwed up and handicapped and therefore what you get is a screwed up kid inside a physically grown up looking adult . KAAPISH?


Madhu's crack - Freudian theory.

Okay . So all of us wonder why Madhu's ego tug of war , hatred , "i will break your ego and show justice" , loathe , care , pull , attraction and indelible love is for this crack pot of a child? I'll tell you why . Madhu knows her dad was a domestically sick and screwed up man . Madhu slowly saw a potential redemption in RK's character that resembled the descriptions of her father never giving the love her mom deserved . Madhu however knew that unlike her father RK is no psychotic killer and physical murdering abuser with ice cold blood in his veins and so she saw the possibility of redeeming him and making him a better person , and in this way she grew attached . How and why did she do this? Because the psychology here is , to redeem her fathers actions in her mind and to forgive and moreover RELEASE him and his actions in her eyes , she wants to redeem guys like him who can still become better people and be proper husbands which her mom, Padmini never got . By making RK a better person , she would be able to RELEASE HER BITTER EMOTIONS AND FEELINGS ABOUT HER FATHER. This is a symptom of girls who have not gone through a proper process of the Electra complex , ie having sexual sub conscious feelings for your father that is repressed and displayed through a daughterly love. Since Madhu never had a real father , the memories and words about her father had to be released through nurturing a guy who is bitter like her dad but has a chance of redemption and so that is why Madhu tried her best through the Ganpati track , Radha-RK track and etcetera .
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Posted: 12 years ago
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I would like to know what made Madhu crazy.. With RK we have been given sufficient background information about his troubled past to understand why he became this way. But with Madhu .. She had, more-or-less, a normal life. Yes she heard stories of Balraj, but was that enough to make her into a person as crazy as RK? After RK's revenge, I can understand her becoming mad. But she was like that before too. What RK did only brought it out.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Angeena


I would like to know what made Madhu crazy.. With RK we have been given sufficient background information about his troubled past to understand why he became this way. But with Madhu .. She had, more-or-less, a normal life. Yes she heard stories of Balraj, but was that enough to make her into a person as crazy as RK? After RK's revenge, I can understand her becoming mad. But she was like that before too. What RK did only brought it out.


sometimes...one is just born with flaws and craziness and they are subdued when one has simplistic life and crazy environmental interaction brings them out. It can happen to us too. We all need to be tested for that. That is the reason...why ART is bizarre and highlighted...COZ it provides us a window, an experience, which could have been ours too...so we go for those rollercoaster rides with free ticket, by watching a painting, listening to our granny or parents narrating us a mythological story with ogres and princes and princess', watching movies and reading literature...or being part of life around us.

Friction is what brings forth the Latent Energy. Rishabh Kundra had that friction in his life early on when he was a 12 year old kid. Madhu encountered that friction in the form of Rishabh Kundra in her 21st year and now learning her Latent Qualities. And Rishabh Kundra's friction with Madhu is going to bring out his latent energy ...his heart.

Even Sultan is going to get it like Bhujang is getting it.

We live in a society and each interaction with others or an event changing our economic equation in terms of loss or gain; causes friction to us and we start seeing our latent energies. This is the reason why people keep changing in their life...in a continuous manner...for good or bad.



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