Re: Shiv - why so unreal

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Yesterday, when i was watching AnSh convo in the car, I was once again hooked by shiv's level of understanding. The people with whom Anandi has shared her bachpan could not trust her but this man who knows her only for few months has so much confidence. The way he was explaining CM, he could so easily analyse the situation.
Shiv as a person has been shown to have so much of positive shades- a self made man with a successful career, honest and upright, a soft soul who takes care of everyone, known and unknown and emotional with grief of others, at the same time a kharush collector, and as a husband i do not have any words to analyse.
BV has built up this character as an ideal but unreal. But am surprised to see BVs rationale of showing that he does not get any happiness for himself. His life is getting spoiled for problems of others - particularly her wife's past, her in laws hyper tension, and a his new friend Dr Jagdish and social victims as Ganga. So what is the underlying message BV is trying to give, that being a good soul is inviting trouble so take care of your needs and forget others?

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Posted: 13 years ago
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being too good is also bad kalyug beta 😉
bit selfishness is required😃
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Posted: 13 years ago
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You think that he has not got any happiness bcoz u probably hv doubts on A's credibilities which he doesn't has.So he is a happy soul.Happy being Anandis life-partner.CVs just wanna show that if a man is as good as Shiv he is blessed upon with an equally beautiful andlo loving partner like Anandi.

And since A is unreally ideal her soulmate too ought to be similar
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Why being ideal is considered unreal??
we hav ideals coz they exists...Men like Shiv might be rare but they do exist...I know several men who hav married divorcees being themselves bachlore and r very happy in their marriage

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: reshmiroy2012

Yesterday, when i was watching AnSh convo in the car, I was once again hooked by shiv's level of understanding. The people with whom Anandi has shared her bachpan could not trust her but this man who knows her only for few months has so much confidence. The way he was explaining CM, he could so easily analyse the situation.
Shiv as a person has been shown to have so much of positive shades- a self made man with a successful career, honest and upright, a soft soul who takes care of everyone, known and unknown and emotional with grief of others, at the same time a kharush collector, and as a husband i do not have any words to analyse.
BV has built up this character as an ideal but unreal. But am surprised to see BVs rationale of showing that he does not get any happiness for himself. His life is getting spoiled for problems of others - particularly her wife's past, her in laws hyper tension, and a his new friend Dr Jagdish and social victims as Ganga. So what is the underlying message BV is trying to give, that being a good soul is inviting trouble so take care of your needs and forget others?

I am totally agreed to you ...that shiv is too good...but do not forget that he is a frictional character...Bv makers create this character to show that how a composed person can change the life of others by his immense patience and intelligence...yes it is true that shiv is a larger than life character ...but it is also true that their is no harm to maintain his moral vales in our life to...Bv is a serial which give many positive social message...Shiv itself is a character by whom Bv is giving positive social message to our society...
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Posted: 13 years ago
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the world is still going great guns becoz of honest ppl who never care for self but become selfless ,,his life is not spoilt but good as he got wife like anandi

anandi got aso much pain but now she got hubby like shiv so ,,, goodness gets its price ,,, alll irs real not fake
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Posted: 13 years ago
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I think the moment you start calling him names like paramatma or mahaan, as some members have a habit of so doing, you are actually debasing a good character, it is in effect like a bashing of sorts, or a taunt. Shiv is a decent human being, brought up well, khandaani, upper class, knows how to respect women, in turn he gets respect.

If I had a son, I would like him to grow up like him, tall, shoulders above all the junk in the world, clear eyes, focussed, hears people, does not jump to conclusions, patient, takes a full view before taking decisions, loyal to family, honest, stands up for his own conviction. Sort of like some of the old ICS officers in the British days used to be.

In modern day also you have examples such as David Cameron, Eton, Oxford, what a great specimen of mankind, Obama yet another fine example.

No not mahaan, not paramatma, just decent.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: reshmiroy2012

Yesterday, when i was watching AnSh convo in the car, I was once again hooked by shiv's level of understanding. The people with whom Anandi has shared her bachpan could not trust her but this man who knows her only for few months has so much confidence. The way he was explaining CM, he could so easily analyse the situation.
Shiv as a person has been shown to have so much of positive shades- a self made man with a successful career, honest and upright, a soft soul who takes care of everyone, known and unknown and emotional with grief of others, at the same time a kharush collector, and as a husband i do not have any words to analyse.
BV has built up this character as an ideal but unreal. But am surprised to see BVs rationale of showing that he does not get any happiness for himself. His life is getting spoiled for problems of others - particularly her wife's past, her in laws hyper tension, and a his new friend Dr Jagdish and social victims as Ganga. So what is the underlying message BV is trying to give, that being a good soul is inviting trouble so take care of your needs and forget others?

He is a very real man who knows where his happiness lies.There is nothing unreal about him.
He is idealistic and he uses his brains and logic to find a solution.So he is very real.
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I do not understand how his life is getting spoiled by others.Don't people in the real world have problems?What is so different about his problems from that of the real people.?HIs wife's past - he knew about it when he married her.He fell in love with her for the person she is despite having a past like that.
His new friend -Don't people help out their friends?
Her in laws are her parents now they are the ones who found a suitable groom for her and got her married.They are no more her in laws but they are adopted parents.He makes their problems his problems because they are his family now.
Social victims like Ganga - People will generally be happy if they are in a position to help people like her.
He like everyone else is taking care of what he considers are his problems and the problems of his own people.So he is doing it for his own happiness.


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Posted: 13 years ago
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Nothing is unreal about shiv as the way he is behaving and doing things are done by any man who is madly in Love with a girl...neither Anandi or Shiv are bothered about their parents feelings, at least not as much concerned about Singh's and Jagiya.

I cannot see any difference between past and present relation between An and J except the physical touch in that case she did not have much physical relation with J and not with shiv now. What are BV's showing, why cannot Anandi keep Jagiya away from her life at least singhs have tried to explain Anandi that it is good to stay away from the problems in haveli and at least in Jagiya case when jagiya got missing...Jagiya is stupid to go and disturb Anandi and every one know that jagiya is like that and that is the reason she had to leave him and re marry some one...so my point is why couldn't she tell him see jagiya i am not your wife any more so i am not the responsible person to let you go and you need to inform your parents...who is Anandi to let Jagiya go away without informing his parents when he came to her...i know shiv is good and they are mahan.

What is CV trying to show if you marry a divorcee women then you should be prepare to face problems with her ex-husband and she can never let him go away from her life and she can never have a normal life...everyone were waiting to see Anandi happy life, but they way the story went nothing makes any difference now apart from seeing some colorful romantic scenes...why did anandi suddenly realized that she loved shiv just because CM made her realize in a tricky way when shiv tried in the same way then she did not realize..it looks like Anandi sudden love is to show that jagiya ones again spoils anandi happiness and Ansh are Mahan or .just to show the socity a message that how ex-husbands would interfere in a divorcee wife life...whole BV seems to give a message to society that never marry a divorcee women then you need to be unreal and close your eyes forever and take things positively ..

A women like Anandi can never be happy and can never make her life and family happy she always had a good chance to change her life when she was a little girl except Dadisa everyone supported her bhairov asked her to study she never did that because she just gave respect to DS words not to Bhairov and now when she had so much time to understand shiv and have a colourful life again she never took any steps to get closer to Shiv before marriage or after and now when she decided she had problem with jagiya again...she could never let him go away from her life...so she can never have happy life until Jagiya and Singh family is alive.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: jhansijhansi

Nothing is unreal about shiv as the way he is behaving and doing things are done by any man who is madly in Love with a girl...neither Anandi or Shiv are bothered about their parents feelings, at least not as much concerned about Singh's and Jagiya.

I cannot see any difference between past and present relation between An and J except the physical touch in that case she did not have much physical relation with J and not with shiv now. What are BV's showing, why cannot Anandi keep Jagiya away from her life at least singhs have tried to explain Anandi that it is good to stay away from the problems in haveli and at least in Jagiya case when jagiya got missing...Jagiya is stupid to go and disturb Anandi and every one know that jagiya is like that and that is the reason she had to leave him and re marry some one...so my point is why couldn't she tell him see jagiya i am not your wife any more so i am not the responsible person to let you go and you need to inform your parents...who is Anandi to let Jagiya go away without informing his parents when he came to her...i know shiv is good and they are mahan.

What is CV trying to show if you marry a divorcee women then you should be prepare to face problems with her ex-husband and she can never let him go away from her life and she can never have a normal life...everyone were waiting to see Anandi happy life, but they way the story went nothing makes any difference now apart from seeing some colorful romantic scenes...why did anandi suddenly realized that she loved shiv just because CM made her realize in a tricky way when shiv tried in the same way then she did not realize..it looks like Anandi sudden love is to show that jagiya ones again spoils anandi happiness and Ansh are Mahan or .just to show the socity a message that how ex-husbands would interfere in a divorcee wife life...whole BV seems to give a message to society that never marry a divorcee women then you need to be unreal and close your eyes forever and take things positively ..

A women like Anandi can never be happy and can never make her life and family happy she always had a good chance to change her life when she was a little girl except Dadisa everyone supported her bhairov asked her to study she never did that because she just gave respect to DS words not to Bhairov and now when she had so much time to understand shiv and have a colourful life again she never took any steps to get closer to Shiv before marriage or after and now when she decided she had problem with jagiya again...she could never let him go away from her life...so she can never have happy life until Jagiya and Singh family is alive.

Can you please tell me one incident where Anandi went behind Jagya after her marriage to shiv. She was with family when Jagya went missing and she just mentioned that Shiv is also trying to find him and it was then the family advised. She was just a part in family discussion.. She did not go behind him..

He does not have sense to disturb a newly married couple and that too at that odd hour and you are saying its Anandi's mistake... She did not let Jagya go it was he who had decided and came to inform them. It's a basic manners, when if ppl ask for help most of them try to help in some or the other way and here he was asking to pass on a msg and she did and this is wrong according to you..

Previously when shiv was playing the trick he was taking everyones name and here went CM started the convo only it was all about Shiv, she was aware that the whole topic was about Ansh, so when it came out suddenly, she realized her love for him.. so whats wrong in that...

Before marriage where did your beloved Jagya gave her time to breath to think about her relation. He was hell bent on spoiling her relation with Shiv... It was Ansh trust that bonded them together... Now she has realized her love for shiv she is just trying as much she can to confess her love and there came Jagya again to disturb them...
However, just want to tell you, if a women like Anandi can never be happy, can you please tell who deserve to be happy ???? So according to you its only the people who fake. Right????
Edited by saviani - 13 years ago

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