Replies from the Dev Team : UPDATED

We have updated with rest of the charges. If any more left let us know. We hope to answer all your questions.

MPL ji, you said why we picked up the comments made by you. Look thru the posts and you will find that while many have traded charges, most of them are common. You had actually raised the maximum DIfferent charges which we had to meet. That is how we ended up answering yours separately, while others were clubbed under same headings. We have now taken out as many members as possible. Infact maybe we have now taken care of the charges of all the members.

Okay now here are our replies to all the charges you made. Let me clear out few things. That earlier topic was closed as nothing further was being added there. Instead some members were simply fighting. Be it Appa, Neo, Gauri everyone...... all were making charges against each other. This solves nothing instead bring bitter ness amongst members more.

These are our replies. Now don't expect the dev Team to again sit here and reply to your further queries or counter charges. It will be again done like followed this time.

Favoritism :

The main allegation by most members so will reply to this one. We are not quoting each and every member who made the charges but making a general reply. Let us tell you one thing here.... there are many amongst u who have at some time or the other done something where you have actually done something for which you are all blaming appa, adi and so many others in here. Everyone has done some mistake, yet we have ignored them like how we ignore others too.

Our intention is never to show favouritism, but merely to keep a balance in the forum.

Now what mistakes they have done we can't post here publicly so you are welcome to send us PM's and we will show them to you.

MrspetloverUS wrote:

Bhaskar, It is a fact that there is group or groupism exist on this forum. Please do not be in denial about it. Just by saying it that it does not exist it does not go away. This is how some members feel than atleast accept or recognize how they feel. By totally denying or disregarding that fact you are saying to those members that they are just imagining and it is not true. This issue is very subjective. One can see it big time where the other just can't b/c they don't want to. IMHO. I don't mean to hurt anyone's feelings here by saying this.

Okay fine now tell us who made the groups. The members themselves. So where does the Dev Team come here. There is a set of members who keep themselves to just fan clubs, one set who keep themselves to Chatty threads. Some discuss serious stuff some the show itself. It is the ones who are keeping themselves in all these sections active are the ones who have fine relationship with all. Rest automatically form groups. How can the Dev Team help you all out in this matter???

MrspetloverUS wrote:

Again I am requesting to you bhaskar. By not dealing with past you are not doing justice to future. In some way or shape we have to figure out how we all got to this place to begin with. It will help us move forward in future with healthy enviornment. By doing what u are doing u are totally believing that it never happened. Admin as well as some of the members have failed this forum. I have dealt with you, Jem and Priya via PMs so far on issues. I am professional and like to remain that way. Please do not be the egyptian.

Okay fine so we are now dealing with the present and past. Happy.... But the term Egyptian if had been used against you do tell me how would you have reacted. I would really love to know if you would have taken it in humour or personal attack. 😊 Because I personally have taken it in a very very bad light....

We too agree that we need to get this place back to its buzzing self. Lets start with new beginnings. What happened in the past days were not good for anyone. Did we achieve anything by hurling accusations back and forth. No. That's the key to communication. On this thread we were working to find a solution but everyone started bickering on so many issues here itself. Why someone is replying to another – Why are Moderators not answering us? Why did Adi and Jaya disappear after creating chaos - Why is Kabhi being nice in front of the Mods – Why is someone's alma mater got into the discussion in the first place? Can we not have constructive discussions without these references. And when someone makes a statement, why not accept the statement at its face value, instead of everyone attributing their thoughts to it. Have you heard that you will see in others what you see in your mirror. No one can ever predict the others mind as accurately as their own. So why go looking for loopholes in others thoughts or words.

MrspetloverUS wrote:

Same issue with my Viewbie. People made sure I never became Viewbie b/c I was not part of their group. People make it so hard for some to remain here.

Do you want us to refresh your memory? Remember who said "I don't want to be a viewbie of this or any other section on this forum" and then of course staged a walk out too. U were considered, some goof up happened, which instead of accepting graciously, you chose to hurl attacks on those who approached you in the matter. So which PEOPLE made sure you never became viewbie, when you yourself rejected the offer when made to you. Now through PM you told me that it was due to some members actions that you did it. Fine then take your grevience to those members.

MrspetloverUS wrote:

Not only group exist in this forum but Ego war and Power struggle has been around for last 8 months and that is the fact whether some one agrees with me or not I really do not care. Accusations were made with valid reasons and they have some substance and base to it. No one is here to attack anyone just for fun. If they did not have good intentions of making this forum better place why would they jeapardize their own reputation?? They rather come with new id and make statements. But they genuinely concern about the forum's well being. Hope u all understand that. PEACE !!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks for the concern and we appreciate it too. Ego war? Power struggle?? Well can you give us some examples please, because I am not sure what you are referring to. Appreciate that whatever is written in this thread is meant to improve the forum. Like we are all appreciating your inputs, we are appreciating the inputs of each and every member here on this thread. Some have raised similar concerns, similar issues, so we have picked up your post, but the answer is to all those with similar questions/ issues.

Just one request that lets not start attacking each other.

Kehthe hain naa… "Oh forum premiyon… aapas mein prem karo… forum premiyon" Har gutti ko suljhane mein jhagda karna zarrori nahi. Agar aapki itni hi problems thi, hum peacefully bhi baithke baath kar sakte the. Pyaar se aur apnapan se agar baithke problem solve karo, toh phir baath hi kuch aur hai, hain naa…

ankita31 wrote:

a lot of members are conspicuous by their absense in this thread..every one wants to stay out of it ....why do you think that is? when i see a more democratic participation we will indeed have a bright tomorrow .people have to come out and speak their minds... i wrote a single post and i was pmed to stay out as this was an eyewash by members i dont know at all .i will be back after some days as it is getting a bit uncomfortable here... i am on neutral territory and would like to keep it that way

I don't know Ankita from whom you got the PM. I take it is was definitely not from any Dev Team member. So if it was some member then please sort it out with the member.

galois311 wrote:

I do wish someone would explain to my why the slightest bit of opposition is called 'bashing' around here? It has suuuch a negative connotation and does make one rather unlikely to argue.

We all agree with you on this point. Be it any issue any negative comment here in this section is taken to be as bashing. Infact that has made even the task of the Dev Team difficult at times. Even we are unable to post or express our comments here due to this.

MrspetloverUS wrote:

Swar PIC, Sounds like story of my life. Here we have some people who bash and attack member for no odd reason on OPEN FORUM, than realize they have done something wrong so decides to apologize via PM. Why not apologize on OPEN FORUM?? Why two face??? If this had happened to me only once than I can isolate the case but has happened numerous times and by same person. Why can't people think before they do anything? I have also seen when I was attacked bad by some member & Admin decided to delete those pages for whatever reason. It is like hide the problem as if it never happened. HOw do you resolve problem like this?

MPL, first of all, when we trash a post or edit a post, it is with reason and it is in keeping with forum culture. By trashing a post, we are not attempting to put things under the carpet, but merely keep the place clean and purposeful for all of you. Why do you have to attribute a negative thought to everything we do.

If someone makes a mistake, and is gracious enough to apologise, why hold grudges. Life is far too short for all this. Lets look ahead, at the rainbow in the sky. I know the issue you are refering to here. And the person sent you appology and even made it on the forum. So why carry the grudge still.

Originally posted by: Jaadoogar

Yeh forum week mein 2 din alive hota hai thursday and friday woh bhi Gadhji ki kirpa se...agar woh drama na kare koi new to woh 2 din bhi sunsaan rahega yahan...Lekin addictive list mein humlog top 30 mein hain..

Why use these words Jadooji, when you yourself slammed MPL for use of this word in the past. Did we take any action against you or MPL ji, NO. we appreciate the spirit in which it is made.

Originally posted by: simtara

Speaking from the point of view of a relatively old member, this section has become too strict. Those of you who were around, if you could remember back to the beginning of this year (Jan, Feb time), you will remember we used to have many chatty threads –

Chatty threads are fine, as long as there is some semblance of fun there. Chatty threads turned into a HI Hello, good morning and good night thread, and that's when we had to step in because we have a duty to IF to keep it contextual. Even now, we say, lets have every thread humorous and funny. wE love them too. But if we can make a conscious effort to remove the spam/ chat of Hi and hello, it will strike a fine balance.

Originally posted by: simtara

But in censoring all this, the section has turned into the world of "Farenheit 451"... Big Brother (or Sister) is constantly watching, monitoring and censoring.

Who is the BIG BROTHER OR SISTER!! Are we ogres that we wait to pounce on you. And is our participation in any thread deeming to mean that we are keeping an eye on you. Are we excluded from participation in the threads? We do not go around moderating all the time. Remember, we joined as members and we know ur concerns. I have been a newbie and a groupie and joined the dev team pretty late. We do not consider the participation of a mod in a thread as a Watching/ monitoring/ censuring. Please allow us to correct this opinion and we would love to be with all of you more on these threads and be a part of ur GROUP.

Originally posted by: simtara

Some of us were here to talk in a lighthearted manner about some aspect of the show. Some of us were interested in discussing the technical aspects. Some of us were here to have masti. –

Agree – that's when the problem starts. The serious cant handle the masti – the masti cant get into serious issues and the groups were formed. Who formed them? Are we responsible? Why accuse us or ask us to break the groups. We try our best to come to all threads. Sometimes it becomes difficult for us, because unlike others, we have a duty to all sections, not just SRGMP.

Originally posted by: shadytown

There is nothing that depresses me more than when we people get into a humorous discussion - and then someone remembers "Oops - let's stop chatting before the Mods get here - let's take this to PM." That acts like such a speedbreaker in the middle of an interesting tet-a-tet - sab maza kharab ho jaata hai

Have the Mods ever said this Shady? Yes. If there is excessive Hi and Hello, we do need to remind you guys. But then we are not the ones who say Mods are watching. Yaar, can we not participate in threads without fear of members thinking they are under scanner?

Originally posted by: Shadytown

Tips for becoming a viewbie, which post included references to Gandhian principles. "Aajtak maine is forum mein kisiko Gandhian principle follow karte nahi dekha - na Member na Mod " (Posted rules by Priya...)

Shady, I am the author of those "rules" and I can give you a small background which only the dev team members know about. One member was going around pming everyone that he wanted to become a dev team member. This was my TOUNGUE IN CHEEK reply to him and we all in the Mod sec had a hearty laugh over it. Recently there was a clamour of PMs from members wanting to become viewbies, without even understanding what a viewbie is. This was used, because this emphasized that members with warnings or past warnings cannot be part of Dev Team. See – How when a post is taken out of context, you can twist it anyway you want. What was a JOKE became a bone of contention and then a comment passed. We ignored your comment, but today, in the face of all this, I wanted to share this with you because I want to emphasise here that although we do look at the big picture all the time, there are times, when we do something in a particular context. Things must never be read out of context.

Originally posted by: Surpremi

1. Cannibalism leads to extinction of a species
2. There are ppl walking around here with "Abh thak Chappan" on their foreheads.
3. The Havaldaar, the Thanedaar and the Chaukidaar are all in cahouts with each other making the others feel like outsiders.
4. This was a robust Forum in October or so when I joined - now I just reply my PMs and walk away - I am sure there are a lot of ppl like me doing just that.

Sunil - Who made whom feel like outsiders - We are as close to you as we are to some other members. Frankly, I admit, I am not as close to all members as I am to some. But then, taali ek haath se nahi bhajthi. Other members could have also taken an effort to come and be friends. We reach out to some, some reach out to us and we form a bond. If anyone feels that we are not reaching out to them, please, we are just a PM away and we like being friends.

Originally posted by: lalit1

HR debates shud never be banned -

Now for this one line, there will be a huge debate. HR fans don't like it. What can we do?

Originally posted by: lalit1

it that is banned then this endangered forum will become extinct - groups that we formed during C05 ( vinit gruop , debo group , nihira group ,HR group , ID group dont interact with each other for fear of being offeneded or offending the others

You hit the nail on the head. Groups were formed by you all. We are not party to that. How do we resolve this deadlock. We are open to suggestions.

Originally posted by: bollywood_queen

if something is said by some1 "popular", every1 is suddenly interested, whereas if some1 less well-known suggest the same thing, no1 wants to know

You know what, I will agree with you. Frankly, when I came to IF, I felt the same. No one reached out to me and I was a victim of being left alone too. But I made the effort to reach out and make friends. Today, I am glad I took that step. Rani, sometimes, some people make impact faster on mind than others do. Doesnt this happen in life as well. If the stud of the class were to make a statement, more than half the girls would drool over it. The same suggestion if made by a front bencher or studious person will get a luke warm response. Can you blame the teacher for it. or can you blame the students for it. NEITHER NAA>.. same way.... lets get over this. From our side, we can assure we will try our best to break this feeling.

Originally posted by: bollywood_queen

basically this forum has become a much less friendly place... not everybody is considered as equal –

Hope that is not true. Everyone is equal and everyone needs to know that. If someone does not treat you as equal, then it is for u to ask that person and make that person aware that they should not be trampling upon you. If you find this in particular in the forum, please do pm us and we will find ways to help you out, without letting the other forum members be aware of it.

Originally posted by: bollywood_queen

i know a lot of people feel the same way as me but are too scared to speak out as they are worried about the response they will get... also many people feel intimidated by the groups already -

Yaar, phir groupism ke issue. Isiliye to humne ek common jawab diya tha.

Originally posted by: Teenindia_USA

Right now, we have threads that our not to everyone's likings. Not all us who come here share the same interests. We are not robots. Presently, we are lacking variety, that was here once, and is needed again

Angie, who creates these threads? MOD Team – NO. The threads are by members. Why not you start some good threads which are to you r liking, which are forum related. .Some comments by Rani, in good meaning were taken astray possibly because of the heat of the moment, possibly because of communication issues. Without getting into the nitty gritties, can we safely conclude here that all are human and prone to human failings. This can happen with anyone. U, me, or any other member. When we react to anothers post on the forum, we must remember this and therefore react cautiously. Will help us all in the long run, as we are friends here, at the end of the day, aren't we?

Sunil got offended on remarks made on his alma mater and hence wrongly misunderstood the comments by Bhaskar. This was resolved on PMs and sunil has no misgivings at least on the IIT issue as both Bhaskar and Sunil were upset with Adi's comment on their alma mater. Request that when posting in the forum, let us not get personal and make comments of this kind. And importantly, everyone is a friend here, so lets not jump to conclusion and instead pm the person and sort out the issue, before others jump on the bandwagon and complicate the matters.

Originally posted by: gauri_2

Ankita ji, I think it will be very helpful if we analyze current state of affairs here without any biases.

Yes. We would like all of you to wipe your mind clean and start with a fresh slate. It would be good for all of us.

Originally posted by: MrspetsloverUS

I have written exactly the same post in one of Jem's topic 6-7 months ago regarding forum. I guess it was ignored simply????? Because I was not one of those AK and agreed with rest so I was considered outsider?? And please no one ask me what AK is just figure it out on your own.

Sorry for quoting her again but found this query too.

Constant feeling of being left out by members – We do appreciate it and we try our best to answer all questions, but at the end of the day we are human. And can we force all members to reply to all posts. Some days our comments are also ignored. This is a forum and this is bound to happen.

Originally posted by: gauri_2

I am glad VJ and Sri came out in Rani's defense. I was thinking about it but did not want to get in to any controversy as now a days, due to workload, I really don't have much time to even defend myself in case a controversy arises.

I strongly feel that all of Rani's posts were innocent and straightforward...totally without any hidden meanings/snide remarks. But Bhasker bro read too much in them. I also faced this situation a month back or so when my posts were read out of context too. Thank god we were able to solve that problem over PM....took some time and effort but all is behind us now and matter resolved.

I agree that, on this thread, some members did take this opportunity to make snide comments but Rani was definitely not one of them. We should do something about this "gehu key saath ghun bhi pis jaata hai" state of the forum......collateral damage you know......and for those members who take kahawats and muhawaras literally....NO, I AM NOT CALLING RANI A "GHUN" HERE..........see what I mean. So many times people get upset when they take things out of context.

When we worry about being taken out of context all the time, we start taking utmost precautions with our posts resulting in lost spontaniety which results in forum becoming dull that finally leads to lack of interest to visit IF on members' part.

I know this for fact because I am afraid of posting here.......don't want to hurt anyone's feelings even by mistake anymore.

This issue was resolved then and there on the thread. Yes let me also inform all thos who posted there on this issue that if you all want to I can post your quotes too here. But the reply will be the same.... Issue was resolved very much there on the topic.

neo10 wrote:

First and the foremost to make a difference in this forum, for the brighter tomorrow REPEAT OFFENDERS should be immediately BANNED from the forum. apparaohoare wrote: Aab kaha se churaoge Himmy bhaiyya? Africa se? I am wondering which opening of the body he is going to use this time. There were many comments like this from this member but everytime many members objected to it then a plain warning was given and the person was let off the hook. Last time when I was active here Appa suggested the HR and vinit are gay partners and I protested. That time Anol edited his post and he was once again free to make such remarks…

Sorry to say neo but Appa has NEVER made comment calling HR gay. Now regarding banning for such comments.... well please get in touch with us and we will show you all the posts made by most of the members here who made such comments sometime or the other..... and not once but many times.

chukkna wrote:

ranig wrote:

Honestly, I feel like crying reading some of the posts even though being long I can't read all of them. I feel like, Finally. I can't believe it.....as an Hr and Vinit, Hema and HImani fan, I can finally take a deep breath. I like music too, just like everyone, but I chose moments to come in the forum. I would leave many times feeling completely bowled over by the hatred towards certain fans and supporters of certain people. I truly believe it and said it before that this forum is lop sided towards one group of people and it's ok. But, sometimes it can get unfair. Also, I wonder if people realize that there are young kids who are fans of HR and Vinit. Who have written to me by Pm and cried after seeing the hatred. They were truly shattered and felt good when I was defending my point of view the best I could. Of course,I can only do soo much. I feel good and think I can take a deep breath knowing that truth eventually prevails and people will eventually fight against a certain level of abuse. I am glad it's coming to the forefront and this is all being talked about. I have voiced my opinion before, but it being a minority opinion, had limited importance. But, as we are getting newer members and knowing this is a site for SRGMP lil champs. Knowing younger members may join, we should be more considerate. That's what I believe......

It has already been taken care of. Check this topic... Some rule/Guidelines for the Forum

Filmy_chick99 wrote:

No offence to anyone but I'm not really that involved in this forum as I used to be.......and it's not only because of school. This forum has gotten..welll..........................boring. And I think most of the reason for this is that we're so nitpicky...jagda over such small things.... No more chatty topics, no more interesting threads. if you go to a thread that has been quite popular, it's usually loaded with fights. Debates, I can understand. But these are mere catfights-pointing back to what Shady said. And we take offense at the smallest things--me included. Can't we just lightheartedly laugh things off???? Lastly, does anyone know why we're here??? So that all of us can relieve our stress by chatting with friends on and about these topics....at least that's what I think. It's not going to help if IF stresses us even more. That's happened to me too..Someone's gotten mad at me and then I spend the whole day brooding over it......let's just forget some of our previous fights. I know that we can make this just like the older days......why don't we actually try then???

We whole heartedly support you in this theory. We appreciate it and we are also human at the end of the day and appreciate that when you come here it is only to de-stress yourself. Life has its own stresses and it is not worth adding more to the plate. India Forums is this beautiful place where we have all met. We have senior members who are there to give us advice and console us when we need a shoulder to cry. We have teens here who lift the very life of the forum with their bubbliness. We have some who come and flirt and make the atmosphere very happy. Some are great in their creativity and all of us learn from them. Some argue well, some write well. Can we all focus on these more beautiful points and less on the differences.

We look to the members to help us in resolving the issues.

dolly wrote:

kabhi can you please stop saying it misinterpretation, agression and so forth..we are not kids here..we are adults and mature people....and only discussing the issues that were buried for so long..obviously even you will agree that somethings have changed otherwise whats the need for all this....we are not throwing stones ..

gauri_2 wrote:

I totally agree with yoy dolly....and VJ. Abhi, there was no need for you to answer what I asked Priya IN THE FIRST PLACE. If you note, Priya and I agreed on it and this thing would have ended if you would have stayed out....since you did not ...and this is one of the issues....VJ and Dolly pointed it out to you. You even PMed me that I am making personal remarks against you....where...just show me that post of mine WITHOUT twisting and misinterpreting my words.......you are the one who accused me of getting aggressive in the first place. Please think before you type.

We have cited this to show you how differces can be so easily resolved. But in doing so, if we all keep our cool and be calm headed, wont be happier.

dolly wrote:

exactly priya ji....lekin some how we are seeing a trend here..about following or commenting for some and supporting for some..i would support anyone if i see that point valid no matter who that person is....lets try the survey and reach a solution..

Survey has been posted. Regarding following and commenting and supporting for some.... well it was done by everyone. Not just by Abhi.

gauri_2 wrote:

kabhi_21 wrote: gauri_2 wrote: Abhi, I am still not able to guess that name of that person. Since most people here already know it and they PMed you as well and were 100% correct....would you please share the name with the remaining of us who did not get it? Just a request....will appreciate it if you could let us know. I said "most of the people PMed me " tht means only 5 Pmed me and they guessed it right....... I cant share it with members mods already have the name....... sorry to disappoint u No disappointments Abhi. I really believe in coming clean.......if there is a problem against that particular person....I still have no clue about his/her identity.......then it would be lot better to deal with that issue directly as well rather than hinting, taunting, snide remarks dear. And I request this to every member here.....because when mere suggestions are given....they leave a huge scope for misinterpretation and things should be clear and transparent after 80+ pages of efforts. No one will gain anything with dogali diplomacy here. Just a request....that's it.....and one more clarification bro....no one...and I say no one...was fighting here either today or yesterday. We all have some issues....some of us have similar issues and we were discussing them like adults throughout on the open forum. Please do not get confused over we were telling Bhaskar to use PM yesterday and today we are saying post on open forum.....if you read thru all pages....which I know you did......then I suggest that you take things with in context. When you quote things out of context, they loose their meaning and the initial intention of the quote in the first place. I am glad you are able to join us....better late than never. Bhaskar bhai....all the best for speedy recovery. Priya....we do understand the constraints mods face at times and we'll wait for mods' responses patiently. Thanks all for airing your concerns directly....without any digs or puns. Take care, Gauri

Again a query that don't need the Dev Team to respond I hope.

Jadoo bhaiyya, Main past mein jaane ki baat hi nahi kar rahi. I am talking about present. Mujhe bahut saare logo ne bash kiya when I came new here. Mujhe laga yeh chakravyoh hai aur ise bhedna mujhe nahi aata. I ran off from here and returned after 4 months when people forgot me. I PM'd few people made friendship and then got introduced to all and then came to the forum properly. People who bashed me dont even remember that they bashed me once... cos I put the past beind. Main aaj ki baat kar rahi hoon. Agar aaj behtar nahi bana sakte to brighter tomorrow ki kamna kaise kar sakte hain???

Valid and maybe the most important question. So give us some ideas. The forum is not just our but yours too. Why not do something yourselves to make it more interesting. How many of you actually post topics here that will entertain others. Do that and believe me the forum will again become a place to enjoy.

chukkna wrote:

Jadoo bhaiyya, Matlab ki agar HR ke topic aaye to bash him?? And you support that. This is what I asked in the first place. There is an HR topic open and see how Debo fans are bashing HR... kithne neeche hum jaye kisi ko neecha dikhane ke liye??? Yeh mudde ki baat hai.

Maybe we don't need to reply to this.....

kabhi_21 wrote:

Wow what a topic …… everyone can voice their own opinion for better tomorrow . Thanks to mods for allowing us to voice opinion freely here . The thread missed my comments but not anymore. First I will discuss on Mohini….. I know what has happened to mohini and why is she not coming. But leave it behind. Someone said an apt thing that whenever someone says anything against Debo he/she gets warning but those who posts against vinit or HR did not get warning for a long time. I agree they got warning later after about two months. Gauri said that mohini always bring this three characters in any of her comments. I agree she many a times used language which made her enemy in the eyes of many people here. I will voice opinion for HR and vinit lovers. They were never allowed to enjoy any thread on this two on the forum by HR haters. Whenever a topic came on this two HR haters would come in and spoil the atmosphere the Vinit and HR lovers were enjoying. This frustrated this members as they could not enjoy the forum anymore and hence 80 to 90 % of the people who left the forum are the people in this group. Let us just tell you Abhi the members who posted the charges are the ones who always made fun of HR baring 1-2. Go and check the topic Priya had closed earlier. See what these very members were doing there. But don't worry. Check the sticky topics. Already some guidelines on this has been made and they will be followed let me assure you. Second point raised here was favouritism. I agree there is no complete favouritism and there are many cases. Banning of Abhi, many warnings were issued to the members who are supposed to be favoured as per many. But I agree there is partial favouritism. I still don't agree to this. We have warned whenever we felt it was needed. Infact the ones who are calling for favourtism here (not you Abhi) have gone scot free many times. So do you then say even they are fovourites. Many of this group were issued warnings after a long time. I will specially say this statement only because of one person on forum. This is the person whose 80 to 90% of the posts comprise of personal attacks. Everyone knows who he/she is. The person is also issued notices but has not changed. Whenever the other person on whom he/she attacked tries to answer, many a times mods have given him notice but not given notice to this person. The person is also a big reason for many people leaving the forum. So the Mods are doing their best but knowingly or unknowingly they are being partly partial towards certain people. But they are human beings and they are doing the work for all of us and because they have certain strong relation with someone, they cant be called as favouring them. Stop mud slinging this way. It is in very poor taste. Third point was about spamming chatting and fan clubs. Here I will completely support moderators that not many chat topics should be on SRGMP forum and chat club can be used. We cant say that it is driving out of home. This I realized when I went to KTH forum and was welcomed so well. I agree fan clubs shall not be brought in the SRGMP forum. Thanks.....

gauri_2 wrote:

You hit the nail on the head Varsha di! Some people don't want to deal with the issues. When we have questions, we should use PM...but when someone does not understand ab tak chhappan, they ask on open forum in a condescending tone...at least I am not taking any snide remarks or digs. I am asking my questions and airing my concerns as plainly as possible. To tell you frankly, I don't think there will be any answers...ever. Hotey toh yeh situation hee na aati.

So Gauri what do you have to say now. I hope now we expect something from you regarding this particular attack. Constantly we were posting there that Priya is busy and I am not well. Still such statements.... that too from you..... sorry to say it's very dissapointing.

sraine wrote:

gauri_2 wrote: Who is moving in circles jaya? Me...I don't think so. How come we all are asked to stop bringing past posts etc. up when you all run out of ideas to counter us???? A lot of us are still waiting for answers and all we are getting is either those can't be given due to administrative agreements or they relate to old issues that better be left untouched......and you are now talking about third perspective here. Well, it is totally okay to not see eye to eye on everything but still be friends....but it is not acceptable that whatever certain people don't gree with...they discourage others to bring it out in open. Jab groupism ki baat hui thhee is thread per...toh ishara issi taraf thha.....meri do post kya hui...aa gayee tum Adi key behalf per bolney...and this happens every time when going gets tough Jaya...every single time. I know what "getting bashed" really feels like...and really sounds like. I again say that no one bashed him on this thread. Meri Sur bhai sey koi puraani jaan pehchaan nahin hai...phir bhi I feel that he was not bashing him...he was not even talking to him when he talked about ab tak chhappan etc....why take panga for something that's not aimed at you...and when others retort back then pretend you were bashed😕 Exactly. Di, I was typing up this point in my notepad and you said it perfectly. I don't need to post the same anymore. Rani raised some points and I don't know what happened to those, instead she ended up being ridiculed. When I was lookign for answers, the forum became a happy place again where eveyrone is laughing and enjoying. Believe me, I want to have fun too - but there are some basic issues that are to be addressed. No one is going back and forth or in circles. Everyone seems to understand the seriousness of the issues we have and want to have the answers. Also, we all know how hard MODS are working towards the betterment of this place. Trying to remind that everytime when someone raises issues doesn't make sense. It only puts down the effort of the other person who wants answers for their questions. Let mods talk on their behalf, we'll wait no matter how long it takes for them to answer. We all know and do understand that they have a life outside of the forum and that Bhaskar bhai needs to get better too in the first place.

Even these issues have already been replied. Be it Sunil or Rani. The issue was between me and them and it has been resolved. If not let them post here and I will reply to them.

Originally posted by: gauri_2

I agree with you wholeheartedly. We do have a "Teacher's Pet" syndrome on this forum and mostly the newbies or groupies end up getting the short end of the stick whenever an issue arises.....not to forget some senior members also who don't have a clout here.......irrespective of whose fault it is. This results in lot of members leaving the forum.

Just a little note Gauri. Check your PM inbox. That will tell you how many times you were also there in this teachers pet syndrome here.😊

Time and again, some members are admonished privately on PM where as others are admonished on the open forum......why this descrimination in the first place???? What this forum need desperately is uniformity (of rules and their application) in the first place. Rest will follow itself.

It is not always advisable to do everything publicly. It may break peace more at times. We did this behind the scene things even in your case Gauri... and not once but twice. Then that was the need of the situation. Whatever is the need of the situation we follow that. Maybe at times we may be wrong in making that decision but then MOD's are not GOD's. They too are human.

Anol has some personal (0n the professional front) issues and is unable to be here with us. He is on a sabbatical at the moment.



Jem – Many of you want her as a Moderator of this forum. We will pass on your request to her and beseech her to accept. That's what the whole purpose of the survey is all about, isn't it…. To give the section what it wants. Jem, please come in here and make all our members happy. The section is incomplete without you. HR ki kasam, aapko aana hi padega…. Now you cant break a kasam of HR, can you. (Now all of you pm her with HR ki kasam, she cant refuse the kasam of HR so many times)



• On the Fan Club issue, it was decided that the fan clubs will have a separate section for it and not eb in the section. Sorry guys, but this is a forum rule, so we really cannto do much about it. Same goes for the chat club also. We would like to keep the section free of spam and as contextual as possible. Please bear with us.
  

Yes one more point I would Like to add here..... Some members sent us PM's saying why are we avoiding their charges and closed the topic. Let me again tell you all. Dev Team have a life of their own. And it was repeatedly told that it will take sometime for us to post the replies. Still such PM's !!!!!!!!!!

Last even we would like to add this expression to you all.... IMHO. We don't mean to hurt anyone's feelings here by saying all these... PEACE!!! 😃

Bhaskar,

As we have realised that u guys are not there at night,I suggest there should be a US/Uk based mod,as most of the problems happen when you guys are not around.

I think Shady will be a perfect Moderator for this section, as he has been a quiet active member here. morever... he has all the qualities to qualify as a Moderator.. specially his unbiased approach...His ability to analyse any issue to nth level....His flair for writing skills... These are all plus points make him a ideal candidate as a Moderator of this section.

Originally posted by: vinnie-thepooh

Bhaskar,

As we have realised that u guys are not there at night,I suggest there should be a US/Uk based mod,as most of the problems happen when you guys are not around.

I think Shady will be a perfect Moderator for this section, as he has been a quiet active member here. morever... he has all the qualities to qualify as a Moderator.. specially his unbiased approach...His ability to analyse any issue to nth level....His flair for writing skills... These are all plus points make him a ideal candidate as a Moderator of this section.

I can not agree more on this one..

I just wonder if shady will agree to get his hands dirty?? 😆😆

I agree with most replies Bhaskar but why u mentioned the names in first para when u have to say everyone faught.... why u mentioned Appa, Adi, Jaya and Me tht people accused us to be favoured..... it was unwanted.....

Why u selected most of MPLji's posts..... tht does not give a good look....
U hv Surji, Gauridi, My own and many others quesions in ur kitty and we will wait till u answer them

Originally posted by: vinnie-thepooh

Bhaskar,

As we have realised that u guys are not there at night,I suggest there should be a US/Uk based mod,as most of the problems happen when you guys are not around.

I think Shady will be a perfect Moderator for this section, as he has been a quiet active member here. morever... he has all the qualities to qualify as a Moderator.. specially his unbiased approach...His ability to analyse any issue to nth level....His flair for writing skills... These are all plus points make him a ideal candidate as a Moderator of this section.

He will be a good mod/viewbie.....😊

Groupism, favouritism, politics, antagonism,popularism these are some of the terminologies making rounds here at the forum for the last few weeks, especially the last few days. Must say good points, very valid points raised by a set of members here.

My two cents as a member on what I observed from the other thread…😛

It was very evident that there are definitely two factions, one who calls themselves the rights and the other neutral or ones who if they did not support this group got trashed.

Example – a relatively newcomer alleges people are scared to open their mouth fearing antagonism. There was a group of people supporting this, but the irony is this very group shooed off anyone who did not totally agree with their point of view later on.

A person claimed groupism, some more joined in yes groupism, but anyone else talking in support of anybody else was ground to the roots. These Rights went " I support you so & so," and then you have happy faces..but make one comment " I don't agree to this" ,you had three lecturing him or her how to read text contextually and then come back. Was this other person a duffer that he/she commented without reading the text , or was he/she considered that way?. Just because point of view did not match? Where did the rational thinking go? Is it necessary everyone has to have the same point of view? Is this an example of groupism?

The minute one came in defence of somebody being unjustifiable accused we had someone from the Rights saying why third party involvement. If that is the case how come this very person is talking? Was he/she appointed spokesperson by any? Wasn't the ones supporting this person doing just that third party involvement? Does the forum belongs to just a few who share the same opinion or is it for all who can voice his/her opinion ?.

Some very so called respectable persons from the sidelines went casting aspersion, snide remarks and laughing silly at no jokes and then demanding respect. A person who resorts to this behaviour can also be targeted and replied back to. Is that agreeable? If you cannot respect others how do you expect to be respected back?

People went saying members bash in threads and apologise on PM's and it was a double standard. Well, I sure am glad they think so. I myself have received PM's from many of these members raising the issue or supporting it who have had his or her POV here but at the background have PM'ed me that very instant to say how sorry they were if it hurt me.

If every member starts preparing a list of points they dislike in another member, that itself will be thesis .Will that help? Have we come here for character assessment/assassination?mud slinging? How are the Right's so sure they do not have any offending qualities? Maybe the members are not speaking it aloud because of decency. We have come here to chill to spend a few hours together…it really does not matter who hold what personality. To each his /her own.

If one doesn't like comments by that member choose to ignore or retort, but of u do sit on the sideline and pass snide comments it will hit you back on the face. Then don't whine and cry.

The people who accused to following a cult or group themselves unfortunately did the same thing, not even once they saw from anybody else's point of view.

A person claims that she is aware a responding member is hospitalised and recuperating but kept hounding him with questions and snide remarks. Do we call it a motherly compassion?

Some members claim they are very straight forward and say everything openly on a thread. I can dig out posts by these very members who have advised to refrain from any open thread character assassination or comments on them. Is this hypocrisy? may be.

Some people take offence in one-line comments by others claiming they are rude. The same people comment on fellow members far worse comments than those.Is that rude.Some cite members as examples to showcase their grievances.Is that rude? Donno.The rights can perhaps tell.

Some have claimed favouritism. I wonder why? What stopped them from becoming the favourites? Is this a cry of sour grapes?

Some say running away from argument is immaturity .Yes got that right. At homes, in school, in college and in life I have learnt , talking to a person with closed ideas cannot take you far, you keep beating about the same points without reaching an end. One can take a horse to water one cannot force it to drink .Likewise, the best is to self analyse the accusation ,resolve the logical accusations and totally ignore the illogical comments because for no given reason I am answerable to any of you for my actions.

We are all members here with various personal traits. There are some straightforward people here, there are also some backstabbers, some hypocrites, there are some sensible ones, there are some very immature ones.

We come here to spend time together. We cannot expect anyone to change because someone demands it. But we can all coexist if we all make the effort. Till the moment profanity or indecency doesn't crop in who cares.

Let me also say one thing here, if you want to see a happy forum learn to coexist, stop whining stop scheming stop passing snide remarks, stop getting political. What you give the same can come back to all.

We were talking of freedom of speech and honest personal opinions. These are my opinions what I have gathered through observation here. It is not intended to hurt anyone and after all it is a brotherly comment from a brother. At the end of the day we should all walk out of here happy and friendly . So no hard feelings….PEACE !!! 😃

Originally posted by: kabhi_21

I agree with most replies Bhaskar but why u mentioned the names in first para when u have to say everyone faught.... why u mentioned Appa, Adi, Jaya and Me tht people accused us to be favoured..... it was unwanted.....

Why u selected most of MPLji's posts..... tht does not give a good look....
U hv Surji, Gauridi, My own and many others quesions in ur kitty and we will wait till u answer them

I agree.. why taking only Varsha Didi's name here... 😕😕😕

I dont know if I have the right to post here - coz i am not a very active member... I used to come here in C2005 only, and now I come just to get results or updates on Lil Champs... But reading this post, I could not help but post... I dont know much going on here, but to someone like me, who doesnt know many people here, this post sounds very rude and directed towards one member... This just shows an autocratic mindset of the dev team of this section and by doing so, you will have more memebrs leave this place than making it a better place... I dont think you answered any charges except for just blame back memebrs for it... as u say fanclubs have seperate section, have u heard of something called a "Music Corner"? Why are music threads not posted there? This is srgmp forum...

Adi I think this is only between members and MOds
and u r making Mods stand weaker with this big post....
Noone accused u of favouring mods.... but accused mods of favouring u....
I think let the mods respond to keep the thread in a better shape

Freedom of speech – this is the right that all the members are routing for in the last few days.. Great thought… So why not take this a little forward and voice some of my thoughts here too!

A couple of days back, a thread was opened to say that the forum had become too dull and what can we do to get it back to track, make it more active. A very positive thought and intention – all of us could have used it to our advantage and could have really put forward constructive thoughts. Unfortunately, all of us resorted to the only known technique here to make the thread super-active and interesting – allegations, indirect remarks, group attacks and sarcasms. 100 pages of discussions with no positive ideas on how to make the place better. We were too busy in carrying on 'I am right, you are wrong' discussions!

Lot of posts accusing mods and some members on groupism. And how have these groups been defined? A group that agrees to all some folks say, who have 'similar' concerns – the 'right' group… and all the rest in the 'other' group – or even possibly called the 'gang', 'chamchas' and what not!

So anyone not belonging to the 'right' group, and simply supporting people amongst the 'other' group are displaying groupism, without knowing or reading through the past pages. But the 'right' group can support each other – they agree 100% and most of the times 200% to all they say – and why not – they are the 'right' group.

The 'rights' have been bashed time and again; they get accused for everything; they see all the injustice done and all they see is the final and bigger picture. They see and read remarks that they want to see and read – anything else of course is not 'right' and hence needs to be ignored. Ignored because these 'other' people just have the habit of crying fowl play. These people are just seeing too much; trying to make third party judgments; trying to get into a conversation and then washing off hands! But the 'right' group can do that – they are all united in being 'right'; they can come in and give third party judgments anytime. They can laugh away and keep making sarcastic posts. They can act nave when others point to their self contradicting posts.

They jump with their reactions on reading a first line of the post from other members; but others need to think and type. Anything that does not match their thoughts is an accusation – but they are free to post the 'right'. That there can be another perspective in a debate is not accepted. They can accuse anyone but when anyone else raises a voice; they of course manipulated or mis-interpreted those innocent comments. They can be aggressive to the limit, but that is to support the 'right' as they define, anyone else replying only resorts to hooliganism!

PM or open forum – what is the best way to resolve issues? Well depends; when the Mod tries to do that in an open forum – he just wanted to use his power and 'bash' a member. Page after page he is being questioned why PM is not being used. But the 'rights' can always be the moral science judges of other members in the open forum. And all in the 'right' group who were advocating PM for long suddenly think open criticism is the way to go. When they are being reminded that personal issues, whatever they are, can be taken care of through PM; well the reminding people are either passing unnecessary and uncalled for comments speaking for others, or are totally making uncontextual remarks. All because, they are not the 'rights'

Some particular group of people always seem to be favored by the Mods. They get a free hand in everything. They even seem to get popular and famous by this powerful friendship; so much so that only the popular ones get a special thread dedicated to them for week. I wonder why everything here needs to be questioned and ridiculed! But where is that being done? The 'right' group is only raising the common concern. And again they tend to see only a few members that they want to see. The bigger picture ends at their view.

The sense of 'right' gives them the liberty to question people's behavior, values and education. Making personal comments is considered fine for them – others, of course should be ashamed of themselves and shooed away because they are not – again 'right'. The 'rights' can tear apart people's characters – make any kind of personal remarks and walk away saying its was just the 'right' way of handling things!

Anyone else trying to say anything in any regard is asked to stay out. They are being analytical of something they are not party to. May be they are analytical of something that they thought was neutral. But how can that be neutral? It does not go with the definition of 'right'! A few others who choose to stay away because they have already been accused of 'groupism', and poking their noses as well as moving round in circles could have spoken their points – but what would it lead to? Another round of attacks! So if they choose to stay out – its not their immaturity; its neither their habit of starting off something and running away; neither are they so nave that they cannot defend the 'attack' – its just that they are trying to talk to a group of people who are 'right', who see what they want to see, who hear what they want to hear, who want an open forum to be only comprising of 'like-minded right people'. They definitely are not open to any other statements and viewpoints. So why even try to state those view points and keep repeating the same stuff. That will never let the objectives be fulfilled – the objectives to find a solution. There can never be a solution to any conversation if 'freedom of speech' only means speak what I want to hear and what I think is 'right'!

At the end of the day, we all aim for a peaceful place where we can spend some happy hours to relieve ourselves from the real life worries and stress. To achieve that, we need to see, speak and hear it 'all' without the bias. We need to have the trust in place to move fwd. We need to accept that the other perspective is not always wrong. Without that we will never work together as a family – and as a part of this family, I would only request all my friends, elders and younger siblings to be less judgmental and more united! That's the only way we can leave our yesterday behind, consolidate our today, and hope for a brighter tomorrow!

I will not have anything more to say on this.

Peace!!!👍🏼