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I found Bhabo's behaviour more or less on expected lines in the precap. I would have been surprised if she had behaved any other way. This thread is not to defend or justify her but to make sense of what she is.

1. Bhabo is a product of MAASA SCHOOL OF HOME MANAGEMENT (MSHM) and she has done her post graduation from there with distinctions. She is not from Delhi University or Mumbai University. Neither is she from Harvard or Stanford.What ever she has learnt is from Maasa. She follows every rule in the book ceremoniously .She never once was seen questioning Maasa during their village trip. Unquestioned obedience is what she has been taught and she expects from her family members. Maasa was never once shown being kind to Bhabo why would you expect sympathy for Sandhya from Bhabo? I had stated earlier that when one generation rags the juniors in college, the other generation follows suit and rags their junior and the cycle never stops.It is the same principle working here.

2.Here we have Suraj who all his life has been naive and innocent and has shown his creativity only in cooking. Suddenly that fellow comes up with a thought provoking drama supportive of his wife. What do you think Bhabo will conclude especially when a similar drama was done for WTC by Sandhya. It is but natural that people will put two and two together and conclude that Sandhya motivated Suraj to do it.
3. Bhabo not respecting her husband has got a history. Bhabasa left her to fend for herself with 4 kids to manage. Even after recovery he did not get back to work and as a result Suraj could never get educated. Even now he spends most of his time eating and sleeping. That is the reason for her disrespect.
4. I had stated in my earlier posts that the Savitri story was not powerful enough to melt Bhabo. Bhabo is a tough nut to crack. She needs to be challenged. Only than will she respond. Either you compare her with someone and challenge her ego like Sandhya did, than she will react fiercely and to prove she is better agree. Later she may repent having agreed. Bhabo keeps her promises so once she has given her word she will not go back.
5. Our definition of right and wrong may not be the same for others. In liberal societies there is a lot of weightage given to individual rights and we all come from that kind of a background. Traditional societies with joint family setup do not recognise the concept of individual rights and the elders in the family decide for all. Even though nuclear families are coming up in many towns in the rural setting it is still the joint family which rules the roost.
6.To expect everyone to have your outlook towards life and circumstances is wrong.Rational thinking comes with education and a liberal neighbourhood. In traditional households the behaviourial pattern is passed on from one generation to another.The neighbourhood also reinforces a similar kind of mindset. With practically no education and a conservative neighbourhood to expect Bhabo to behave in any other way is living in a fools paradise. Change takes time. Societies evolve in centuries. Bhabo will also agree but the drama was weak and they have to come up with better ideas to make her melt. Suraj can be shown to be forceful as he was in when Bhabo spread papads on the bed and he calmly but forcefully supported Sandhya's stand and Bhabo though angry had conceded defeat. Unless he is shown to be powerful and holding on to his point of view victory cannot be his. Battlelines are clearly drawn and Suraj has to have the courage to hold on to his own. This is his greatest battle and a test of his perseverence and he has to make a resolve to win it. Do not misunderstand this thread as being a justification platform for Bhabo. I have only tried to view her in her milieu and tried to show you how half of India lives and thinks.Right or wrong that is the way Bhabo is. If we do not view the other side of the coin we are no different from Bhabo despite our claims of being liberal.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Great character analysis UMDU ji! πŸ‘πŸΌ. (although I have a feeling this thread could be unfairly misunderstood πŸ˜”).

Anyways, I just wanted to add that another trait of Bhabho is that she jumps to conclusions really fast. She has done this several times in the past, and she will probably do it on Monday. This probably comes from her view that she must always be right. Also, I think any glimpses of fairness she has shown in her past decisions might not see the light of day this time around, since the future of her favorite son is at stake.

Btw, πŸ˜† @ point #1; I never thought of Bhabho as a brilliant student in anything πŸ˜†.

Also, didn't get the purpose of point #3 πŸ˜•. Are you just trying to explain why Bhabho disrespects her husband? Or does it relate to the overall post somehow? Clarification would be appreciated 😊
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Originally posted by: -SamiR-

Great character analysis UMDU ji! πŸ‘πŸΌ. (although I have a feeling this thread could be unfairly misunderstood πŸ˜”).


Anyways, I just wanted to add that another trait of Bhabho is that she jumps to conclusions really fast. She has done this several times in the past, and she will probably do it on Monday. This probably comes from her view that she must always be right. Also, I think any glimpses of fairness she has shown in her past decisions might not see the light of day this time around, since the future of her favorite son is at stake.

Btw, πŸ˜† @ point #1; I never thought of Bhabho as a brilliant student in anything πŸ˜†.

Also, didn't get the purpose of point #3 πŸ˜•. Are you just trying to explain why Bhabho disrespects her husband? Or does it relate to the overall post somehow? Clarification would be appreciated 😊

Thank you for your appreciation. I may be misunderstood but I want the forum people to be fair and see both sides of the coin. We cannot become like Bhabo viewing everything from one side. We claim to be liberal and different. Isn't it.
2. Bhabo jumping to conclusions is due to her dormant insecurities. She is mortified at the prospect of her son defying her. Her blaming Sandhya for the drama I have already explained. She does not believe her son can enact a thought provoking drama like this. Sandhya has done it in the past so she will put two and two together.
3.Why I said she passed with distinctions is because she is excellent in household work and the unquestioned obedience taught to her also she does not violate when she is before Maasa. All traits of a good student.
4.Why I mentioned Bhabasa was because many in the forum argue that when she does not respect her husband how than can she expect Sandhya to respect Suraj. It was an explanation for that.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Umdu ji,

Great post... very thought provoking... I always find your analysis very relevant and look forward to your posts.

Bhabho, excellent student though she is, shows her obedience and tolerance only in front of Maasa. How excited Babasa was when they were visiting her, because he was sure that in Maasa;s presence, Bhabho would never insult him or stop him for anything. I agree with you in that she expects obedience from her family because that was expected of her. However, where is her honesty if she treats Babasa differently in Maasa's presence and absence? Two-facedness? Just like Meena in many ways?

Also, her rules are always different for her children and her daughters-in-law. Another trait of Bhabho that I really dislike.

My two cents.




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Posted: 12 years ago
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You've highlighted mentality of rural/small town indian women really well.

I just wanna add my opinion regarding yesterday's episode on Bhabho is -- 'No defense is the best defense for her'.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Let me weigh in on what I think Bhabho is. First and foremost, she is a manipulative woman with a very biased thinking. I don't think she got to this point because of Maasa's treatment or her behavior is justified because of Maasa's treatment. I think there are very many examples of her manipulative behavior but let me say why I think she is biased. She has four kids and she doesn't treat them all equal. She makes it obvious that Sooraj is her favorite and always mistreats her other kids. She is verbally abusive to Chavi and Mohit and burdens Sooraj with her love and that overbearing love has become an emotional blackmail to Sooraj at every point when there is a conflict.

If we are going to reason that all Bhabho saw is Maasa's conduct and is emulating that conduct, then everyone who has been abused (verbally, physically, sexually) has a justification to they themselves becoming an abuser. Nonsense. Maasa has shown a willingness to adapt and change after Sandhya educating all that there is no difference between a newborn boy or a girl and saved the wedding. Bhabho has shown no willingness to change or learn. Not only that she has the gall to tell Sandhya that just because she is in Maasa's good books doesn't mean anything and reminds her how she is her real MIL. WOW !!

She always complains about how she has done work outside the house when the kids were young. Excuse me but I don't see what is wrong with that? Why is it such a big deal for her? When she took her wedding vows didn't she promise to be with her husband in sickness and health. Husband is useless because he is not making money or lazy? And with that kind of nagging, if all Bhabasa does is sleep and eat pan, can anyone blame him?

No, Bhabho is not this way because she is carrying emotional scars herself. She is this way because she loves Sooraj too much and is unable to let go. She is possessive possessive...We see these types of mothers in real life a lot. They shower so much love on the sons that they and their thinking becomes tangled with their mothers. No matter how bad these women are, in their sons' eyes, they can't do anything wrong. And when they get married, problems arise. If these mothers, as they claim that all they care for is their sons' happiness, then why do they keep interfering in sons' marriages? Sooraj is repeatedly telling her and showing her that he is super happy with Sandhya. Why doesn't Bhabho believe that? She finds zillion faults with Sandhya and highlights those to Sooraj. Why? Only to score points. You stay angry at someone when that person doesn't apologize. No matter how many times Sandhya offers an apology, the finger pointing continues. Bhabhoo somehow thinks she has a mental edge over an educated Sandhya. Granted not all educated persons are good or vice versa but Sandhya has shown her gentleness and calmness. The only time Bhabhoo appreciates Sandhya is in Singapore in a drunken state...that too only because her Sooraj is getting all accolades. If he didn't, Sandhya would have gotten s***t from her.

I find Bhabho (great actress BTW) repulsive. Her loudness knows no bounds. The point of contention maybe small or big but she yells the same.

More later...


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Posted: 12 years ago
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agree with u UMDU .Bhabo is a product of our conservative society where males are the bread winners and women stay at home .although bhabasa wasnt the bread winner but that didnt make bhabo to go and work but the onus was left on our masoom chhora after all he was 2nd in charge so if she survived that she feels u can survive anything and yet be same conservative self and that thinking will take time to change
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Originally posted by: ladyterp

Let me weigh in on what I think Bhabho is. First and foremost, she is a manipulative woman with a very biased thinking. I don't think she got to this point because of Maasa's treatment or her behavior is justified because of Maasa's treatment. I think there are very many examples of her manipulative behavior but let me say why I think she is biased. She has four kids and she doesn't treat them all equal. She makes it obvious that Sooraj is her favorite and always mistreats her other kids. She is verbally abusive to Chavi and Mohit and burdens Sooraj with her love and that overbearing love has become an emotional blackmail to Sooraj at every point when there is a conflict.

If we are going to reason that all Bhabho saw is Maasa's conduct and is emulating that conduct, then everyone who has been abused (verbally, physically, sexually) has a justification to they themselves becoming an abuser. Nonsense. Maasa has shown a willingness to adapt and change after Sandhya educating all that there is no difference between a newborn boy or a girl and saved the wedding. Bhabho has shown no willingness to change or learn. Not only that she has the gall to tell Sandhya that just because she is in Maasa's good books doesn't mean anything and reminds her how she is her real MIL. WOW !!

She always complains about how she has done work outside the house when the kids were young. Excuse me but I don't see what is wrong with that? Why is it such a big deal for her? When she took her wedding vows didn't she promise to be with her husband in sickness and health. Husband is useless because he is not making money or lazy? And with that kind of nagging, if all Bhabasa does is sleep and eat pan, can anyone blame him?

No, Bhabho is not this way because she is carrying emotional scars herself. She is this way because she loves Sooraj too much and is unable to let go. She is possessive possessive...We see these types of mothers in real life a lot. They shower so much love on the sons that they and their thinking becomes tangled with their mothers. No matter how bad these women are, in their sons' eyes, they can't do anything wrong. And when they get married, problems arise. If these mothers, as they claim that all they care for is their sons' happiness, then why do they keep interfering in sons' marriages? Sooraj is repeatedly telling her and showing her that he is super happy with Sandhya. Why doesn't Bhabho believe that? She finds zillion faults with Sandhya and highlights those to Sooraj. Why? Only to score points. You stay angry at someone when that person doesn't apologize. No matter how many times Sandhya offers an apology, the finger pointing continues. Bhabhoo somehow thinks she has a mental edge over an educated Sandhya. Granted not all educated persons are good or vice versa but Sandhya has shown her gentleness and calmness. The only time Bhabhoo appreciates Sandhya is in Singapore in a drunken state...that too only because her Sooraj is getting all accolades. If he didn't, Sandhya would have gotten s***t from her.

I find Bhabho (great actress BTW) repulsive. Her loudness knows no bounds. The point of contention maybe small or big but she yells the same.

More later...


.Thank you for your valuable inputs.Now let me answer your points one by one
1. Please understand one thing. I am not for a moment justifying what Bhabo does or does not. I am only doing her character analysis in the Indian milieu.
2.She no doubt has four kids but it was Suraj who stood by her side when Bhabasa was unwell. It was Suraj who sacrificed the maximum for the family by giving up his education. It was with his support that she steered her family out of the crisis. That is the reason she is closest to him and very possessive about him. It is not right or wrong we are talking about. It is what exists in most joint families where the son is often torn between the mother and wife that I am pointing out
3. Do not those who get ragged in colleges do the same to their juniors the next year. Are they not turning abusers as ragging exists in most colleges in India. Bhabo is also seen acting according to the same principle. Maasa may have treated Sandhya kindly as she saved the marriage but I do not know whether the same thing will extend to Beendani doing IPS.
4. If she took her wedding vows to be with Bhabasa she stuck to him . She did not leave him. Her disrespect or nagging is due to her past bitterness and betrayal.
5.She does appreciate Sandhya before others. She defends her fiercely before Meena and Chavvi. When Chavvi's results were declared she asked Suraj to buy her a gift and also praised her all the way as Bhabasa stated.
6. Despite Sandhya's gentleness her harshness is due to her insecurities at being dethroned from being the head of Rathi parivar.
7.She never wanted an educated Beendani but she got one. Now you want her to agree to further studies how can that happen overnight in a joint family setup. Give her time she will come around.
8 I would like to again reiterate that you should not view Bhabo from an urban liberal mindset. I am not saying she is an epitome of virtues but as I have lived in different parts of India due to the nature of my husband's job , I have come across many such families where the writ of the elder runs large and nobody is allowed to raise their voice against them. Wrong or right we may scream from the roof tops but the ground reality will not change whether we are uncomfortable with it or not. My thread was made to emphasise the real position on ground not to defend Bhabo.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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umdu ji very good thought provoking post... I appreciate your efforts in brightening the other sides what we miss to see and you outstandingly did that... I too din't expect Bhabho to behave the other way!...pointwise I'm replying.


1. Some one did a mistake with us is not a reason for us to do mistake with others.


2. Haila. One rule for Sooraj and another for Sandhya in same situations! What the, what the, what the, kya hua khushi?


3. Baabasa is not a kind of guy who will keep his mouth shut always. He has beautifully advised Bhabho many times to the right side and she had never forsaken her husband's words because she knows Baabasa is far matured than her. Evident from older episodes.


4. Totally agree. Bhabho keeps her word. Everyone knows it.


5. Its true what is right for one can never be right for another. Tiger kills deer. For tiger, its right because it want to survive and for deer, its wrong as it cant survive. No objection there. But here, the ultimate truth is sensible and remains unchanged, forever.


6. Its true, we have no right to expect others to believe what we believe. Every person has full right on his belief. But we can understand what is right and wrong. No need to tell others. If Bhabho was that conservative and ritualistic how did she accept the affair of Dileep and Chavi? Compared to that Sandhya getting educated is not at all a big deal.


all together I believe Bhabho is knowingly doing a mistake. But as I love her, I feel there is some other big reason than this tradition and other stuffs. Because she has always been sensible, dignified and ready to accept positive changes. So if she does a mistake, there must be a valid reason! As for now, I cannot share what I think because I've not got any clues from DABH regarding that. May be just my illusion. Once I get, I shall share my views. I love Bhabho and dont want her to be wrong anytime. Though I get angry at her, being honest, its because I cant accept her being wrong because she has always been right. Even when she did the papad stuff, I felt no anger. But now she is wrong. What to do?
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Posted: 12 years ago
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yes Maam...i think it will take ages to change the mentality of bhabho ...
Like the saying goes in Hindi "Aurat hi Aurat ki sabse badi dushman hoti hai " ...same i am seeing in case of Bhabho ...bhabho is sabse badi dushman of sandhya

and just wanna say i found yesterdays episode so boring ...i didnot enjoy the whole natak...πŸ₯±

only the teasers of vikram to pappuda were the relieving moments

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