- Abhishek Mukherjee said...
Andaz Apna Apna:
Prem (Salman Khan): Maine ye film Sholay dus baar dekh chuka hoon (or something along those lines).
Amar (Aamir Khan): Haan, tere baap ne jo likha hai. :)
- 8:56 AM, April 07, 2012
- Jabberwock said...
Abhishek: ah, yes! Thing with Andaz Apna Apna (and JBDY too, I suppose) is that the generally manic tone of those films makes it easier to justify such meta-references. But it's also interesting that Kundan Shah (who, needless to say, has a feel for manic humour) didn't care for the use of his name in the opening scene of JBDY - that was a bit of improvisation by Naseer, and Kundan felt it was inappropriate to take the audience "out" of the narrative so early in the movie.
- 9:34 AM, April 07, 2012
- Radhika said...
Main hoon na was a montage of homage-moments, no? Gol Mal (the hero and his brother being Ram Prasad and Lakshman Prasad), the Masoom theme, the reference to Basanti and the run-away-tanga, even SRK's dress was meant to evoke a 1970s Don-like Amitabh, and Sushmita called Chandni (and dressed accordingly). I thought it was all good fun since the movie didn't take itself seriously, but many people who didn't get all the allusions were quite puzzled at the pastiche of references.
- 9:37 AM, April 07, 2012
- Jabberwock said...
Radhika: yes, but this is about stars alluding to their own real-life selves (or real-life families). Otherwise, of course, there are many films with meta-references - including cases of actors explicitly playing themselves, as in Luck by Chance and Om Shanti Om.
- 9:50 AM, April 07, 2012
- Abhishek Mukherjee said...
OSO had that -
Ek ladka aur ek ladki kabhi dost nahin ban sakte.
Beta Sooraj, likh le, likh le, baad mein kaam aa jaayega.
And others.
- 10:02 AM, April 07, 2012
- Anonymous said...
The words Yeh jheel si neeli ankhen koi raaz ... are etched in our minds independently of the visuals. They don't even remind me much of Shammi and Sharmila. And Kareena and Saif? Not at all!
- 10:31 AM, April 07, 2012
- ThisBloke said...
Would you put Khamosh in this list? Three of the main characters are named after their real selves, and almost play themselves in the movie, save for the fact that the plot is entirely fictional.
When I saw the disclaimer "any similarity to any person living or dead is *purely* coincidental" in the end, I laughed. Not to take away anything from the movie. It's brilliance all the way.
And since we've brought up JBDY, how can we forget that Vinod Chopra and Sudhir Mishra (the two protagonists) were named after none other than the ADs, and now legendary filmmakers in their own right.
Or how about Ajay Devgan (did I spell it correctly?) saying "nahin mai Ajay Devgan hoon" to Paresh Rawal's question in Golmaal?
Or in the legendary Gol Maal, Deven Varma played himself (but not a cameo really). Amitabh also has a walk-in scene, and we see a (behind-the-) scene in the movie which was shot for another movie altogether (Jurmaana IIRC).
- 10:37 AM, April 07, 2012
- Jabberwock said...
Anon: I'm not saying "Yeh jheel si neeli ankhen" would in itself remind you of Saif and Kareena (heaven forbid). Just saying that when Saif says the lines in a tongue-in-cheek way onscreen, it's hard not to make the association with his mother in KKK. Also, for me at least, the song's visuals are very memorable - one of those few instances in an old Hindi movie where the picturisation does justice to a great song.
- 10:49 AM, April 07, 2012
- Jabberwock said...
ThisBloke: Khamosh is a slightly different case, I'd say - since its narrative explicitly involves the making of a movie.
how can we forget that Vinod Chopra and Sudhir Mishra (the two protagonists) were named after none other than the ADs
Oh, believe me, there's absolutely no question of my forgetting anything about that movie! At times, I wish I could. *Insert wry smiley here*
in the legendary Gol Maal, Deven Varma played himself
Again, an actor playing "himself" is not really what I'm talking about here. But yes, that was Jurmanabeing shot in Gol Maal - I mentioned it in this post.
- 10:55 AM, April 07, 2012
- Empress of Blandings said...
"You smile indulgently at
the Saif-Sharmila reference, but for that
moment you forget about Agent Vinod." Heh, but surely that's a good thing - forgetting about Agent Vinod!
Loved this post.
Oh, and does this count - the Salman cameo in Ajab Prem ki Ghazab Kahaani? The whole katrina-salman-ranbir situation?
- 11:39 AM, April 07, 2012
- Ramanand said...
Andaz Apna Apna's in-joke is particularly commendable because the writers don't go out of their way to underline the joke. Thus, making the joke far more enjoyable when one discovers it (perhaps on a repeat viewing).
Contrast this with perhaps the biggest in-joke opportunity loss in Jhoom Barabar Jhoom, where at the end, Abhishek B & Bobby Deol are riding on a bike with a sidecar. Unfortunately, Shaad Ali spoils it all by playing "yeh dosti..." in a very obvious, non-diegetic manner.
In-jokes are particularly seen in films made by next-gen Bollywood filmmakers such as Rohan Sippy (Bluffmaster is full of them) & Farah Khan.
I'm looking forward to a film where the credits say: "This film had no references to Sholay."
- 12:31 PM, April 07, 2012
- Shekhar said...
Oh love it when this happens. My favourite is when in Kabhi Kabhie, Shashi Kapoor asks his family doctor, Doctor Kapoor (played by Parikshit Sahni) whether he will join him for a drink. When the good doctor refuses, Shashi walks of mumbling, "Kaisa Kapoor hai, peeta-veeta nahin hai??"
- 12:49 PM, April 07, 2012
- aandthirtyeights said...
There's a brilliant moment like this in Annie Hall when Woody Allen says he's standing with the "cast of The Godfather", referring to two irritating autograph-hunters. One of them acted in The Godfather, and of course, there was Diane Keaton herself.
But the line worked, because the two guys actually looked like they could have been extras in The Godfather. You didn't need to get the reference to find it funny (which can't be said of some other of Woody's jokes).
Is that the test then? Does the line work independently of its off-the-film context?
- 1:01 PM, April 07, 2012
- Jabberwock said...
Shaad Ali spoils it all by playing "yeh dosti..." in a very obvious, non-diegetic manner.
Ramanand: I get what you mean, and why you would have preferred it to be more subtle - but I also think JBJ is very overtly a film about storytelling and myth-making. So perhaps the use of "Yeh Dosti" to underline the visual could be justified.
- 2:31 PM, April 07, 2012
- Jabberwock said...
Shekhar: that's a great example - had no memory of it at all.
aandthirtyeights: yes, I remember chuckling at that Annie Hall scene because of Keaton, but didn't know one of the other guys was also in The Godfather.
- 2:36 PM, April 07, 2012
- Radhika said...
Ah, I get it . And I remember incidents like that in quite a few movies, which totally escape my memory now.
- 7:17 PM, April 07, 2012
- Abhishek Mukherjee said...
Also, Antonioni Park deserves a mention here. Of course, mentioning that in this blog is like informing maa about mausi (a popular Bangla saying).
- 8:37 PM, April 07, 2012
- Pessimist Fool said...
Jabber - what do you think of Agent Vinod? worth watching or no? i've still not seen it
- 11:42 PM, April 07, 2012
- Pessimist Fool said...
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- 11:51 PM, April 07, 2012
- Prashansa said...
I think there's a scene in Pyar Ka Mausam where someone says (about the character of Shashi Kapoor), "Apne aap ko Shashi Kapoor samajhta hai."
- 4:08 AM, April 08, 2012
- Meera said...
I don't know if you've seen Housefull 2, or even intend to, but something similar came to my mind when the film opened with banter between two brothers - chintu and dabboo (real and reel names) Somewhere I feel, the film-maker lacks enough creativity to concoct a new story in those 3 hours and so as a starting point, or add-on, borrows from real life. It's fine for a spoof to borrow, but for a film with a boasting screenplay, very unjustified. Also, the Agent Vinod thing can be passed off as an intentional co-incidence (if you know what I mean) but to base your whole story on something like that is very uncreative.
- 2:46 PM, April 08, 2012
- ???? ?? ????? said...
Nice. There is a similar incident in Chaar din ki chandni where Anupam Kher asks to actress that if you were a boy then you were called, she looks at chandrachood singh who has a role in the movie and says Chandrachood.
- 1:30 PM, April 09, 2012
- PM said...
When are you reviewing "Agent Vinod"? :)
- 4:43 PM, April 09, 2012
- Prashansa said...
Oh, and this moment from Raju Saab. (Courtesy: Beth Loves Bollywood) https://3.bp.blogspot.com/_HknaF6x_N80/STMpITXIywI/AAAC90/kokvcBG2cQY/s1600-h/similar2.jpg
- 8:51 PM, April 09, 2012
- Deepti Sharma said...
There was a time not a single movie featuring Aishwarya Rai would fail to make a 'joke' about her being Miss World. Salman in Hum Dil De Chuke Sanam - "aise ban rahi hai jaise Miss World ho"; Anil Kapoor in Taal - "khudko Miss World samajti hai kya?"
My favorite beauty queen in-joke is from Biwi No 1 where Anil finds Salman cheating on his wife with Sushmita Sen and chastises him - "Tum bhabhi se chupke yahan aish kar rahe ho!" Salman replies, "Aish nahi, S(u)shhh!"
The lamest beauty queen joke on the other hand, is in Rehna Hai Tere Dil Mein - "Ladki ko thoda bhav do, khud ko Miss India Asia Paciifc samajti hai"... because the girl in question is played by Dia Mirza, get it? Very. Lame.
- 1:47 AM, April 12, 2012
- Deepti Sharma said...
Ok, here's another one, again very lame. In a film where Padmini plays a central character, Pran (who'll end up marrying Padmini) is telling a matchmaker what kind of a wife he wants. Qualifications include dancing like Vyjyanthimala, face like Helen, figure like Saira Banu... "in effect," he concludes, "she should be like Padmini." I literally rolled over the floor laughing.
- 1:59 AM, April 12, 2012
- Aditya said...
What about that exxtremely self-indulgent reference in No Smoking... Pakhi Pakhi Pardesi from Dil Se playing in the background when Ranvir Shourie is on screen?
https://jaiarjun.blogspot.com/2012/04/andar-ki-baatein-on-inside-references.html
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