Aamir Khan Being Bullied - Page 3

Originally posted by: abhijit shukla

Al right here are my two cents.

The issue for Gujarat starts with man whose name the Dam carries...ever since Sardar Patel was slighted by Gandhiji in favor of Nehru...Gujarat has suffered from the step-child complex. Many in Gujarat including myself believe that Sardar would have been much better leader to start out the nation with; he would have solved many problems Nehru left behind and not created the ones Nehru did. My father has told me all my life that most people in India wanted Sardar as the prime minister and Gandhiji single handedly imposed Nehru because he did not wish to look partial to a fellow Gujarati.

Come 1960, the Bombay state was split against most of Gujju people's wish and Gujarat became politically weaker.
This about same time Narmada dispute started brewing. I am not exactly sure of the time. It was before my birth.

Come 1978, Gujjus finally think that their lost chance to glory was returned to them when Morarji Desai became the PM - 19 months later who other than Nehru's Daughter in her shameless quest for power plays with a politically Charansingh's greed and topples an otherwise well running government.

Then comes the well publicized Hajira-Mathura pipeline. It sounded quite couner-intuitive to drain crude oil through 3 states from its origin to refine it - not to mention potentially destroying one of the 'Seven Wonders' of the world - India's signature structure. Gujjus felt that they were slighted again of an economic benefit of a refinery.
Remember Narmada is being pushed back time again all through this. Gujju's felt times and again that they were pushed around to pamper states with more parliamentary seats. UP, MP, Maharashtra. How legit that anger was, I don't know. I was only a child through all this. Of course, that was then, it should not be an issue now.

Enter first Baba Amte, then Megha Patkar, then Arundhati Roy and then the Bollywood Boy Amir Khan. You see - each player in this sequence is getting less and less authentic and more and more vain.

So take the step-child complex, take the obstructionist political game playing of 40 year and then add perception of celebrities as vain, self absorbed people for whom any morcha is just another opportunity for camera time -and you will see why Gujjus are - correctly or incorrectly taking it out on Amir. Every celebrity that finds a cause to demonstrate his/her social conscience is always a suspect - at least for a couple of years. Be it Bono, Bradjelina, Shabana Azmi, Arundhati Roy or Amir...and rightly so. People always want to see if lasts any longer than Kavya Vishwanathan's literary career. Another thing that goes against Amir in Gujarat is that the perception that he has done less than he could have for the villages in Kutch after the earth-quake although 'Lagaan' - his crowning achievement was shot there. (Personally I don't think he had an obligation to do anything.)
Again when people profess to believe in something, it is fully legit to test them and see what they are willing to lose for what they believe in. I can not say that an official Ban on all Amir movies if fair or even legal but let us see if Amir Khan believs in the issue strongly enough to let go Gujarati share of his viewer ship - yes voluntary boycott is fully legit.
I have never seen the Adivasis in MP who are displaced but I spent my formative years in Saurashtra and Kutch. I have seen thirst, I have seen hunger, I have seen starvation - emaciated legs below protruding bellies under well carved out rib cages. I have seen farms totally barren in the middle of monsoon. Those things are just as real as the displacement of others. I have not heard during my lifetime Megha Patkar of Baba Amte coming to Western Gujarat and addressing the reality of thirst. May be I missed them.
What I fail to understand is why is it that all the organizations like Megha Patkar's fail to make a catalogue of people who need to be rehabilitated. They could not be more than what a city like Amdavad grows annually - I fail to see how with all the land that is claimed to stand well irrigated, those many people if well documented, can not be given their due.
Another thing I don't understand is how Narmada is unique! There are many dams in world taller and bigger than Sardar Sarovar. Three Gorges on Yangtze started only 13 years ago and looks like it will be finished before Sardar sarovar. No one is protesting in CHINA against that. OK, leave comminsts aside. I have never heard displacement and environment squabbles about Krishna, Kaveri, Bhakra Nangal, Rogun, or Hoover. Why is that?

My knowledge on the subject is not that of an environmental, humanitarian or geologic expert but that of an average Joe and most of the points I am making are intuitive. I will stand corrected if anyone has facts contradictory to my believes. I tried to read Arundhati Roy's Article on the issue but see seemed more intent on showcasing her own literary skills than portraying the plight of people. She lost me after 15 pages of babble.

Abhijit, that is really a wonderful reply. 👏

China's (and World's) biggest dam has been completed in 13 years, aur hum log wahin ke wahin, hum log nahin sudhrenge...one problem with us is that we think too much, plan too much and do very less actual work...and there are always people ready "taang adaane ke liye".😡

https://www.waterpowermagazine.com/story.asp?sectionCode=130& amp;storyCode=2036296

The 185m-high dam of China's Three Gorges project has been completed after 13 years of construction.

This milestone, in time for China's summer flood season. was marked with a televised ceremony attended by workers and officials. The entire project, situated on the vast Yangtze river, is not scheduled to come online for a further three years.

Three Gorges began construction in 1993 with the backing of China's leadership, despite objections to its US$22B cost and ongoing environmental and social concerns. The multipurpose project is to supply further electricity to China and also provide flood control. When fully complete in 2009, 26 turbines will generate 18,200MW, with approximately 84.7BkWh produced annually

Some believe the project is threatening the drinking water of major cities like Chongqing, and are not happy about the effect damming the Yangtze will have on the local ecosystem, including the sewage resulting from silt build-up.

The government has had to resettle approximately 1.9M people in more than 1000 towns and villages, and many villagers were also forced to give up their farmland, and therefore their livelihood.

China has promised that relocated people will be given money, new homes and jobs, and that billions are being spent on sewage treatment facilities.

And do not get me started on this deshdrohi named Arundhati Roy😡, she is worst kind of citizen we could have, she regularly makes anti-national statements, for example this one....

https://www.indianexpress.com/story/4941.html

Three Gorges dam completed

24 May 2006

Abhijit I agre with you about the plight of those in Western Gujarat and I definetely support SS dam for their welfare. But why should we forget those who are being sacrificed for the sake of the Kutchis.

Both of them should be given equal importance.

Talking about the story of your state, most states have it as the leadership was most of the time dominated by the Northern states. So Maharashtra and Gujarat have the same story.

Morarji Desai was not a good PM. He was the person who leaked Indira Gandhi's plan of partitioning Pakistan to the CIA. He was the worst PM this country has ever had.

https://www.apunkachoice.com/happenings/20060425-0.html

Ok guys, above is news about recent visit to Gujarat by Dia Mirza. Not this is really sick. I mean people are taking it too hard. All Dia said was yes, whatever Aamir said is fine and she was doomed 😆 This is really sad. I agree that everyone has freedom of speech in country and no one should be attacked like this.

However, I don't want to keep on repeating myself. All I am saying is Aamir Khan or anyone who does not live in Gujarat, Kutch, Saurashtra, Amreli, Rajkot does not konw who situation is in these part of Gujarat. There are parts in Amerli where my friend's parents live and they get water once in 10 days there. I am talking about well to do family and you can imagine situation of people living in "dessert of kutch" were its so hot and dry weather. Whatever Abhijit explained about thier cage like body is really true.

About relocation. Trust me, I have seen this issue closely. There might be many of you who would have seen it more closely than me and I am not challenging anyone 'coz everything in this case is so spoiled that none can be taken side. Now there are some people who are against Sardar Dam. These people started out saying that don't build dam. When court declared that Dam will be built they lost it. So then they started egravating people that please dont accept these relocation packages. they are not as good enough. ask for more. so these illiterate, uneducated adivasis (i wont blame them at all) asked for more. They refused to take offered packages which were really good and now they are left with nothing. Do you know these adivasis have now filed case against people who told them not to accept these packages? they have filed case on them saying that 'coz of them they are left with nothing now!!!!
Government ofcourse is no clean, these protesters are no clean. everytime poeple who have to suffer are "WE" the citizen..common people. We don't get relocation, we don't get water of dam and people like Aamir Khan who realy does not know anything about this issue..i mean "real" issue speak in public for thier cheap publicity !!!! that's where i get mad. I don't have any hard feeling for Aamir, arundhati, dia, xyz for that!!! just leave us poor alone. please give us water and relocation. now these people who encouraged adivasis to ask for better relocation was rediculous. they asked them to get exact similar situation. like i've neem tree, lake before my house i want exact similar location. give me a break thats not possible...this is just an example they started out issue on every small little things and this issue has really suffered a lot.

I've conveyed all i wanted to on this issue. guess it's about time i make my closing statments!! happy debating! 😊

Wow! Such amazing and impassioned views. Now for my views..
Heres why I personally believe Aamir is a faker.... in a small place called Plachimada CocaCola have bulit a plant. They are drawing out ground water through tube-wells to make Coke, drastically lowering water levels. Six litres of water is required to produce one litre of Coke. The remaining five litres, which have been treated with chemicals, are put back into the ground. As a result the land becomes infertile and tribals lose their only source of living. Kerala's pollution control board confirms the toxic nature of the sludge spewed out by Coke's plant in Plachimada.

And guess who is constantly on our TV channels hamming it up as he hard sells coke?

So Aamir...Aati Kya Plachimaada? Ghoomenge Phirenge Naachenge Gaayenge aur polluted pani bhi piyenge?

Originally posted by: winnie_pooh

So Aamir...Aati Kya Plachimaada? Ghoomenge Phirenge Naachenge Gaayenge aur polluted pani bhi piyenge?

😆😆😆... Aamir khan will never ever do that!!! 😆Come on.. he's a person who took his Mineral water bottles with him in Panchgani where his wedding was... Now panchgani is a hill station.. he's not drinking water from there..How will u expect him to visit Plachimaada????😆

(P.S. winne_pooh.. i have seen the documentary on the Coke-Plachimaada issue on TV... U are 100% correct... Aamir khan!! stop appearing in Coke comercials who give u 3-7 crore+ for every commercial!!!!!!!)

Originally posted by: winnie_pooh

And guess who is constantly on our TV channels hamming it up as he hard sells coke?

So Aamir...Aati Kya Plachimaada? Ghoomenge Phirenge Naachenge Gaayenge aur polluted pani bhi piyenge?

though i am supporting Amir, i wud like to question him abt this.

Here is my response to the topic:

First of all before you post a topic please learn more about what exactly is going on. Sorry no offense.

Secondly, are we talking about the same guy who left his wife for another woman in the middle of no where? Where was his humanity then?

Thirdly, does he know what he is talking about? I understand Mr. Khan is speaking up for those who are being affected by this, but what about millions of people of Gujarat who need water desperately.
For facts please visit http://www.sardarsarovardam.org/

Finally, when we speak for rights we shall speak for all, not just few.