Why are Indians obssessed with Lata?

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Posted: 19 years ago
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I agree that Lata Mangeshkar is one of the greatest singers of all time, but I wonder why Indians are obssessed with having female voices similar to hers?

Before Lata, we had Noorjehan and Shamshad Begum with heavy bass voices. Lata's entry with her girlish, high-pitched voice was a refreshing change for the time. It even fit in with the image of a model woman - delicate, feminine and flowery.

Today we have Kavita Krishnamurthy, Alka Yagnik, Madhushree and Shreya Ghoshal with similar "feminine" voices.

But, a woman who has a heavier voice is called manly!

For instance: Himani Kapoor of SRGMP Challenge 2005 had a lovely yet unconventional voice. An asinine comment was made, advising her to have a gender change to suit her voice!

By that logic, are Abida Parveen, Sunidhi Chauhan, Usha Uthup, Richa Sharma and Jaspinder Narula also men and need an urgent sex change?

Whitney Houston, Celine Dion, Aretha Franklin and Mariah Carey do not have conventional female voices such as those initially propagated by Opera singers. But, they can reach high notes with great ease and are legends in their own right. Also, its quite easy to figure out that they are NOT men.

Is the ideal female playback voice delicate and feminine like Lata's? If yes, why? If no, why?

Why do you think Indians prefer listening to voices similar to Lata's as a majority compared to singers like Usha Uthup for instance?

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Posted: 19 years ago
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Originally posted by: T.

I agree that Lata Mangeshkar is one of the greatest singers of all time, but I wonder why Indians are obssessed with having female voices similar to hers?

Before Lata, we had Noorjehan and Shamshad Begum with heavy bass voices. Lata's entry with her girlish, high-pitched voice was a refreshing change for the time. It even fit in with the image of a model woman - delicate, feminine and flowery.

Today we have Kavita Krishnamurthy, Alka Yagnik, Madhushree and Shreya Ghoshal with similar "feminine" voices.

But, a woman who has a heavier voice is called manly!

For instance: Himani Kapoor of SRGMP Challenge 2005 had a lovely yet unconventional voice. An asinine comment was made, advising her to have a gender change to suit her voice!

By that logic, are Abida Parveen, Sunidhi Chauhan, Usha Uthup, Richa Sharma and Jaspinder Narula also men and need an urgent sex change?

Whitney Houston, Celine Dion, Aretha Franklin and Mariah Carey do not have conventional female voices such as those initially propagated by Opera singers. But, they can reach high notes with great ease and are legends in their own right. Also, its quite easy to figure out that they are NOT men.

Is the ideal female playback voice delicate and feminine like Lata's? If yes, why? If no, why?

Why do you think Indians prefer listening to voices similar to Lata's as a majority compared to singers like Usha Uthup for instance?

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Posted: 19 years ago
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I think that people have got a mindset on having a feminine delicate voice as lata was one of the founders in singing in hindi cinema... she was highly appreciated and that created a parameter of singing "Must to have a sweet mellow and delicate voice for singing."

I agree with u Tanaz that females having unconventional voices are not that much appreciated still!...But Sunidhi Chauhan is becoming an exception to me...

And for ur question :Is the ideal female playback voice delicate and feminine like Lata's? If yes, why? If no, why? Personally, No becoz female playback singing requires certain kind of emotions which have to be finally screened on someone else.. Be it a heavy voice or a light voice, if that fulfils the requirement. I don't mind listening to a heavy voice.. it sounds pretty good!!!👏

(P.S. Tanaz.. have u listened to Abida Parveen... where??😃 im eager to know)
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Posted: 19 years ago
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hi i am new to his forum
i think that all the songs which lata ji sang not neccessary be soft but as she sings she brings emotions.

it doesnt matter if the singer has a soft voice or a heavy voice but they should give what the song requires and even people like it.
hey MNMS
i hv seen abida performing
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Posted: 19 years ago
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hi i am new to his forum
i think that all the songs which lata ji sang not neccessary be soft but as she sings she brings emotions.

it doesnt matter if the singer has a soft voice or a heavy voice but they should give what the song requires and even people like it.
hey MNMS
i hv seen abida performing live
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Posted: 19 years ago
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Like solidsanke pointed out. I think mostly people related feminine voice as sweet and delicate. Lata has that sweetness in her voice. Even today at thsi age her voice suits 19 year old actress. And as someone else said, her songs really bring out emotions in the songs. I like Shreya Ghoshal. She has the sweetest voice too. Personally, I like hearing sweet voice on female face (dont want to speak on behalf of everyone). I would prefer sweet voice over Ila Arun or Usha Uthup. I don't mean that they don't have knowledge about music or they are not good enough. But my ears love Lataji's subtle, voice and it really bring the words and emotions in songs lively. I don't think Sunidhi Chauhan has "too" bold of a voice. I think she is somewhere in middle, but leaning towards sweet voice.
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Posted: 19 years ago
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SS, the words you bolded are, according to me, a gender based stereotype. Its like the societal norm which defines beauty in a woman as being skinny to the point of being anorexic.

See, I am not talking about Lata as a complete singer (involving expressions, etc). I am talking about her voice type, which has been made staple by our music industry. Sunidhi's voice, as Sowmyaa mentioned, leans towards a sweetness, but is an unconventional voice type. That is what I'm aiming this discussion at.

Most female singers in the West do not have the same delicate, girlish tonal quality. The closest I came across in popular music was Enya for one of the LOTR tracks. There may be more that I dont know of.

I suppose it depends on one's tastes as well. But, keeping tastes aside, why is there a vast difference in female tonal quality when we compare India with the West or the Middle East?

If it is because we have a stereotype image of the ideal woman, then should this change? If yes, why? If no, why?

Originally posted by: MNMS


(P.S. Tanaz.. have u listened to Abida Parveen... where??😃 im eager to know)

Maryam, I heard her perform "Damadam mast kalandar" live on Sa re ga ma pa once when she came as a judge. Amazing voice which just touches the soul! 👏 And she was a hard marker. The highest mark she gave was 35 or 40 out of 100. 😆

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Posted: 19 years ago
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I read an article about the time when Lata Ji came into playback singing. She had rough time starting up because people at that time were in love with Noorjehan and Shamshad Begum. No one would give her chance. She finally made it but with a lot of struggle. Before Lata ji, people only knew Noorjehan and Shamshad in terms of femal singers.
Everyone has their time. lata Ji started singing in a time when it was hard to get in to movie or music business. If you become popular, you were it. No one would hire a new singer. Same thing was true for movies, Look at example of Sri Devi and Maduri. For 10 years, Shri Devi were at the top. Other actresses came, but she was number one. Same thing Maduri Dixit went through...10 years fame.
Lata Ji is like A. Bachan in a sense. There have been so many actors before and after him, but he is it. We can raise the same issue - how come every one talks about Big B when there are other good actors.

Now things are different. Directors are willing to gamble with new comers and consumers are willing to listen to new comers. There is more diversity now...
There are certain songs that sound good in heavy and there are certain songs that require delicate voice.
That's why we have so much variety...
Abida Parveen has made Sufi music so popular..it goes through your heart. Kavita Krishnamurthy is known for her classical singing, Sunidhi Chauhan's voice does wonders in Item songs...
You can't say people only remember Lata ji. It was a different era.
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Posted: 19 years ago
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Originally posted by: T.

Most female singers in the West do not have the same delicate, girlish tonal quality. The closest I came across in popular music was Enya for one of the LOTR tracks. There may be more that I dont know of.

I suppose it depends on one's tastes as well. But, keeping tastes aside, why is there a vast difference in female tonal quality when we compare India with the West or the Middle East?

If it is because we have a stereotype image of the ideal woman, then should this change? If yes, why? If no, why?

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Posted: 19 years ago
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Originally posted by: T.

I agree that Lata Mangeshkar is one of the greatest singers of all time, but I wonder why Indians are obssessed with having female voices similar to hers?

Before Lata, we had Noorjehan and Shamshad Begum with heavy bass voices. Lata's entry with her girlish, high-pitched voice was a refreshing change for the time. It even fit in with the image of a model woman - delicate, feminine and flowery.

Today we have Kavita Krishnamurthy, Alka Yagnik, Madhushree and Shreya Ghoshal with similar "feminine" voices.

But, a woman who has a heavier voice is called manly!

For instance: Himani Kapoor of SRGMP Challenge 2005 had a lovely yet unconventional voice. An asinine comment was made, advising her to have a gender change to suit her voice!

By that logic, are Abida Parveen, Sunidhi Chauhan, Usha Uthup, Richa Sharma and Jaspinder Narula also men and need an urgent sex change?

Whitney Houston, Celine Dion, Aretha Franklin and Mariah Carey do not have conventional female voices such as those initially propagated by Opera singers. But, they can reach high notes with great ease and are legends in their own right. Also, its quite easy to figure out that they are NOT men.

Is the ideal female playback voice delicate and feminine like Lata's? If yes, why? If no, why?

Why do you think Indians prefer listening to voices similar to Lata's as a majority compared to singers like Usha Uthup for instance?



Women with a sweet voice which is delicate are always preferred to those having a heavy masculine voice.

This is because its the its the delicacy of females that appeals to males and even to some females.

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