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Posted: 14 years ago
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And that ladies, and ladies, was the sound of my heart breaking...

What a powerful moving scene that was - and what phenomenal performances by the boys! I'm sorry, but this post is going to be all about the boys - Mansi aka Gulaal can get her share of limelight tomorrow, because knowing her she will shine no less...

But today was a man's world!

Watching Neil and Sushant in these 15 last minutes of the episode made me realize why I had been going on for days, to watch these two share screen space - bond, and interact! What a treat it was, to watch two amazing actors like that, execute such high end drama without an iota of melodrama attached! My heart went out so direly and terribly to both - that for the life of me, I couldn't have picked one over the other! Oh if I continue gushing, I can go on all night - not to mention I can probably watch that scene over and over enough times to lose count when I'm not yet half way to having had enough of it!

[on a completed unreleated note: OMG Neil!!! Hahahaha! He's totally meee bless him! Reminds me of all the undergrad Friday nights we'd go clubbing and under 30 minutes of being out their in the loud music and yelling over it, my vocals would begin to fade away 😆 So that a majority of my Saturday mornings were marked by sounding like a toad 😆 No kidding, it was deja vu watching Neils vocals suddenly dip, and oh what a wonderful natural effect it had on the scene itself! ]

But without digressing.. here goes Mega Mind Monday 😎

Honestly, I can't decided if I'm heartbroken, or simply overwhelmed by how good that showdown was. Worth every penny of the months that have been spent in wondering when the cat will be let out of the bag, and how! If ever a climax lived up to its hype so completely, this did! And I'm pleasantly surprised at how little Gulaal's role in the entire Kesar provocation was, contrary to all our speculations! I have to confess I couldn't but smile at Gulaal feeding a grumpy Kesar - who would not have missed notice of this moment any other day, any other time - and the timing of this gesture from Gulaal was almost like she tried to pull off the oldest trick in the coy book and distract Kesar away fro the great brewing fury! The way she gave him that bite, was like she was desperate to try anything to get his mind off the 'battle field'! Like a little boy could be distracted with his favorite candies! Well tried Gulaal, alas, not every day is Galool day... sigh!

So of course, the confrontation had to come, and did! Occupied the span of the entire episode pretty much, and yet, not a second too stretched, and except for the absolutely last few moments, the way the camera didn't overplay on zoom ins and outs of the character faces - what a bloody relief to watch a showdown, that was all about showdown!

When they showed Dushyant hitting Kesar in the precap, I was like, oh boy, he didn't really just do that! But he did - and honestly, I don't blame him! The build up to his lost control was so credible! Kesar was hammering a nail that was hitting every wrong point! As I said on my Friday post, that fact that Kesar has still no idea about why Dushyant murdered Vasant was glaringly obvious today! The fact that he was taking one shot after the other at everything - niyat, imaandaari, parivaar, khot, swaarth, apne liye, jhooth... while it was all false in the literal sense, it was all also true in a twisted way, and hit some sensitive nerves. Not that Dushyant had never been the selfish and greedy brother - but his albatross-ic sin had in fact nothing to do with money, business, control, power et al. It was all about lust vs love for Gulaal - and Kesar has no freaking idea! So when he went on challenging Dushyant's intention for the family welfare, his purpose behind the good deeds, his selfish endeavors and secret means, and what not... Dushyant, who has had a very hard week behind him, has been guilt ridden for all the wrong reasons that he has nothing to do with, has just been proven wrong about taking the dahej decision all by himself, and most importantly is clueless about Kesar's knowledge of his role in the Vasant murder - was fair enough to defend himself. In every line that he spoke in his defense, was only plain truth - and so he could say it looking Kesar in the eye, with the grand conviction that was visible... except to Kesar, it could appear nothing short of treacherous hypocrisy! If Dushyant had backed off, and looked guilty at an point - the situation may yet not have gone so out of hand... the fact that Kesar's allegations were all wrong, even though his literal facts were right had to get through Dushyant's stoic outside, eventually, and it did! All the reform that he shown in ten years, the man that he has become and what it has taken him to go through the repentance is something no one can empathize with, really! And so every word against him - that was wrongly levied as an accusation, had to pinch, and there is only so much a man can take! So when his patience broke, out came the physical counter!

Of course the slap shook up Kesar! His conviction of being right and Dushyant being wrong runs so deep ... you cannot blame him any more than Dushyant for his outburst. Yes, temper gets no one anywhere good. But one cannot expect him to change the innate person that he is overnight. He has his demons, significant ones, and those that have never been rightly addressed, much less mitigated, so although he's matured into this person who can hold it back inside for the most - a wrong moment coupled with wrong evidence coupled with wrong provocation and coupled with counter reaction had to rile him up! Kesar would not be true to his element if he had agreed to sleep over the matter at this point! So he confronted, did not get the answers he wanted, instead got told off from every other quarter, which was additionally siding up with Dushyant - what was he to do? Unleash even more fire! And it went on, until he was hit. But oh, if Dushyant thought hitting Kesar could knock him into his senses, he was dealing with the bullheaded version at this point, and so wrong about it hence! Interestingly, at this point the expressions on the faces of especially the 'good' people in the house had begun to look shocked in half minds. Those who had started out as totally team Dushyant, were just a little shaken up by Dushyant raising a hand at Kesar, no matter the venom the latter was spewing! So the matter went from bad to worse, what had started out as a question over money grew to matters of trustand betrayal - Kesar saying ye paison ki baat nahin hai Dushyant Bha ... was so much in perspective, its amazing he can still think one straight sentence in that out of mind mode! Family members tried to dissuade him still, although more feebly this time - but Kesar was beyond solace! The fact that Dushyant proceeded to launch a speech of his own god intentions and only one dimensional welfare thoughts for the family, did not help the case at all... And Kesar shot back with the jhooth! It shocked Dushyant - such power of offense and hatred from Kesar, and in a way, if we see his psyche he wasn't wrong in being appalled by how far Kesar had gone into the round of insults and accusations! In a way, it was something like Gulaal had faced and felt at Kesar's hands, when he had just gotten back! Not knowing exactly what was brewing this hatred inside him. She had deemed sending him away to boarding as his reason, and naturally it had not made sense that he would hold it against her so strongly, so he had baffled her with his offensive. Similar was Dushyant's status today. He has no idea about Kesar knowing the Vasant truth, and to him Kesar blowing one matter of money so extraordinarily out of proportion was just beyond tolerance after a while! So he retaliated, which angered Kesar further, and then it was like an uncontrolled chain reaction - leading to the ultimate Nuke Blast! Phew!

Brownie points to the CVs to not end the episode on Kesar's face at his first mention of Vasanat Bha ko maar daala ... but to take the scene forward, today itself - and not put us through the last five minutes of today, as first five of tomorrow again - and especially the way MB reacted! It was so real for him to hit Kesar - not out of doubt for Kesar being wrong... the sentence tujhe hosh hai tu kya bake jaa raha hai was so shaken up... it spoke volumes of MB's reaction, which was not, as it literally appeared, in distrust of Kesar's words, but in disbelief of his own revelation at that. Deep down, he knew the second those words were spoken, that Kesar would never, ever, make a wrong accusation like that one. His hitting Kesar was almost like venting out the first of his reaction to the ultra-shocker ... and so powerful it was hence, that it knocked a young strong boy like Kesar off his feet (anyone think the slaps were real?! Dude! They looked larger than life 😲 Excellent acting by Neil, the way he went sprawling on the floor, the way he was physically imbalanced by Dushyant's hit ... it looked bloody real!) Anyway - if MB had in fact been in any doubt over Kesar's statement, he would not have found the need to ask Dushyant... Fact was, the shock of realizing it was true - he was in momentary comatose of paused realization mode of some kind - so like even as the realization came, it did not hit, like he'd held it physically away from him at an arm's length, and consequently he hit Kesar, then turned to Dushyant with the question... For those who've seen Inception - it was the seeping of realization in MB was like a dream within a dream within a dream within a dream - 4th level speed... so that was nano second movement 😆

Phew - this post is totally blab - no analysis whatsoever, cause I'm just gushing, but the scene was so so good! To imagine we've waited for this for weeks and months... the fact that we all knew it would come one day - and that it would be a showdown, to imagine that it has been preceded by some extraordinary confrontation sequences, each better than the other and so the scope expected from this GRANDEST of all showdowns was supposed to supersede all rest, and that it did, so effectively 👏 Sushant and Neil, yet again, were bloody brilliant! There was no Neil today - it was all Kesar - like all his life, Neil had only been Kesar! And while his side had the support of so much dialog and anger, and zealous emotional outburst, Sushant Singh had to exude the same power in a more grown up, pained, quieter yet offended way... his lines were far and few as opposed to Neil's but his expressions were fantab - the way these two matched up each other in the scene - Oh why must Dushyant go! I so wanted to watch these brothers together for such a long time... and now when I do, its for the last time!

Pity! I shall always regret not getting my priceless Kesar-Dushyant memory to cherish! But besides that - hats off to the writers, and even more so this once - to the actors! They shine through, each time, better than before!

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JZee
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Hey 😊 i thought i write something today, as you asked in your last thread why i havent been doing so lately, i have kinda detached myself from this show as in thinking about it so much and discussing it, as you say its mental torture and pleasure 😉
As i said in the EDT
This was one fiery episode
Sushant and Neil were fantastic and yes my heart went out to D more then Kesar here
I also liked that they kept Gulaal in the background most of the time, and didnt speak much even when trying to get Kesar to back away from D
Two slaps were powerful, esp the last slap, and i couldnt agree more with you, there is no way MB doubted what Kesar said in the sense it does hold some value, Kesar just wouldnt say something so big just like that, thats why his turn to D, is it true, any truth in it - just to hear it from D's mouth in what Kesar is saying
Both i feel in a way were right in their place, in the sense losing their anger, i can understand why D blew up and the slap came, Kesar was going on and on, Kesar today got to a point where he was edge and it had to be out (and even Gulaal knew it was coming) - but we all knew Kesar anger also stemmed from somewhere else
As Srushti said whilst i was discussing with her in the EDT, that today was probably the first time we are seeing Kesar cry for his Vasantbha, coz the anger and Gulaal took first priority over the years, and today we saw Kesar unleashed some emotions for his Vasantbha
My heart goes out to Gulaal - more on her probably tomorrow, but she will take everything coming her and she will understand MB and PB pov and where she will stand with them after this, and also see JK's plight as well
Edited by Lennie - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Neil's voice was totally GONE in the first half of that confrontation...LOL...pata nahin how much he must have shouted while shooting for this scene...bechara lost his voice only...

The most powerful moment to me was also in the latter half...the moment when Kesar's bottled up hurt...SO many years of hurt, anguish over harboring this secret finally bursts out at the one man responsible for it...and man, Sushant's expressions in response...WOW...what an actor!👏...that shock and pain in his eyes...goosebumps while watching it, seriously...especially juxtaposed with the shot of Kesar's 'MAAR daala mere Vasant bha ko"...and Gulaal crying beside him...amazingly shot scene, seriously.

Also loved the way he shouted out the "JHOOT" after Dushyant slaps him...there is this whole bit with Kesar first in shock as he's touching the spot on his face where Dushyant slapped him but the way he roars out that jhoot again was SUPERB.

But haaye bechaare Kesar ko kya SOLID do thappad pade aaj😆...ek yeh hi punching bag hai sabka is show mein...poor guy...lol


So I'd thought all this would happen maybe tomorrow but I should know that this show always surprises me...lol...and now precap sets things up for the next stage...So it's Dushyant that reveals that Gulaal hid the secret...even till the very end, Dushyant ended up trying to "protect" Gulaal in a sense even though he's only ended up pushing her into a cliff vis a vis the family's reactions...Chalo Kesar hai na Gulaal ko support karne ke liye ;-)


*Edit: Yeah I do feel like those slaps were real...damn powerful looking slaps...the second one literally knocking Kesar off his feet...seriously woah types😆

Edited by nureat01 - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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OOOf Jzee That was one Helluva episode..Dushy and Kesu confrontation made me admire the serial more ..Two powerhouse performers face to face...absolutely awesome...Well to me what was interesting that kesu thinks that Dushy's motive for killing Vassy was money and power..but He is not aware about the lust for Gulaal was the main force which drove dushy to do such a heinious crime...

wonder how this track would be handled when kesu knows about Gulaal's kidnapping..he might make a bhurta of Dushy...and burn the whole talsagra in anger😆

what lovely post *me to still your craziest pankha*

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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: Lennie

Hey 😊 i thought i write something today, as you asked in your last thread why i havent been doing so lately, i have kinda detached myself from this show as in thinking about it so much and discussing it, as you say its mental torture and pleasure 😉

As i said in the EDT
This was one fiery episode
Sushant and Neil were fantastic and yes my heart went out to D more then Kesar here
I also liked that they kept Gulaal in the background most of the time, and didnt speak much even when trying to get Kesar to back away from D
Two slaps were powerful, esp the last slap, and i couldnt agree more with you, there is no way MB doubted what Kesar said in the sense it does hold some value, Kesar just wouldnt say something so big just like that, thats why his turn to D, is it true, any truth in it - just to hear it from D's mouth in what Kesar is saying
Both i feel in a way were right in their place, in the sense losing their anger, i can understand why D blew up and the slap came, Kesar was going on and on, Kesar today got to a point where he was edge and it had to be out (and even Gulaal knew it was coming) - but we all knew Kesar anger also stemmed from somewhere else
As Srushti said whilst i was discussing with her in the EDT, that today was probably the first time we are seeing Kesar cry for his Vasantbha, coz the anger and Gulaal took first priority over the years, and today we saw Kesar unleashed some emotions for his Vasantbha
My heart goes out to Gulaal - more on her probably tomorrow, but she will take everything coming her and she will understand MB and PB pov and where she will stand with them after this, and also see JK's plight as well


Lennie - today my heart goes out only to the boys... like I said, Gulaal can win her share tomorrow! Because honestly, we have had Gulaal scene mourning over Vasant... but Srush said - this was Kesar's first, and in a way, this was Dushyant's first too! The only time he was confronted about 'killing' Vasant was by Gulaal - and that entire set up of just the two of them, him not being half the 'good' mad he is today... it hadn't hit him an iota of how it did today! Today was a different story... it was the fear and guilt he has lived with for a decade - was all about this moment! The times he's told Gulaal he fears the day Kesar will learn the truth ... this is what he was anticipating... and yet, even in anticipating, he probably never imagined the power and intensity this confrontation could hold... Of late in fact, given Kesar's reform and general positive tolerance for him, I suppose subconsciously Dushyant had begun to outgrow his fear... Just as he was beginning to settle into the groove that his life would just maybe not come round in a full circle - this is what comes his way, mind you, after a long hard week behind him!

And Kesar - well, again, as Srush says, this was his first. For him, even the anguish of a decade was more about Gulaal's betrayal than Vasant's loss... I think he accepted Vasant's loss among the first people in the house, because there was still Gulaal... she had come to take such a significant place in his life, that even though it could not replace Vasant Bha for him, it could certainly help him deal with the loss so much more easily... but with the awareness of Gulaal's betrayal, he had fought a decade's battle between still having Gulaal, or losing her too! And so, she had topped his anguish more than Vasant... so really, this was the first time, he 'cried' for his Vasant Bha... it was historic in a way... and honestly beyond Kesar and Dushyant, I could see no one else today!

Tomorrow, of course, will be another story!

ps: Dude! There's like debatable count few days left for the show, why detach yourself from its genius now?! 🤔
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: manzilmukul

Well to me what was interesting that kesu thinks that Dushy's motive for killing Vassy was money and power..but He is not aware about the lust for Gulaal was the main force which drove dushy to do such a heinious crime...

wonder how this track would be handled when kesu knows about Gulaal's kidnapping..he might make a bhurta of Dushy...and burn the whole talsagra in anger😆




I don't think Kesar will find out the truth of Dushyant's motive...I think Dushyant will just quietly accept that he murdered Vasant and leave it at that...the precap doesn't make it seem like Dushyant has revealed what his feelings for Gulaal were...waise bhi the rest of the family knows...Sudha, JK etc. know what Dushyant felt...it's only Kesar who doesn't know...
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Originally posted by: nureat01

Neil's voice was totally GONE in the first half of that confrontation...LOL...pata nahin how much he must have shouted while shooting for this scene...bechara lost his voice only...



Lol! I'm telling I know exactly what that's like. My family doc told me when I was 15 that there was 30% perpetual damage to my larynx and that I should realize how much more effort speaking was for me than a normal person - but I continue to be loud and verbose as ever, so I've had those times of coming back from day trips and having absolutely no voice at night because of all the singing and yelling and fun on the way... 😆 I swear, like no sound, is no sound... In High School, for a record three times, I attended two days of classes each time when I had to 'write notes' and ask questions or say my part... because there was no voice 😆 When Neil's vocals begun to die on him today I was like, OMG... there are others like me! 🤣 On a side note I remember Neil saying in one of his interviews that his personal drawback is that he's a very short tempered person, quite like Kesar - I wonder how natural today's scene was to him then 😆 He must have been like dying to get out of the nice and docile facade of a fortnight to become the Kesar!

The most powerful moment to me was also in the latter half...the moment when Kesar's bottled up hurt...SO many years of hurt, anguish over harboring this secret finally bursts out at the one man responsible for it...and man, Sushant's expressions in response...WOW...what an actor!👏...that shock and pain in his eyes...goosebumps while watching it, seriously...especially juxtaposed with the shot of Kesar's 'MAAR daala mere Vasant bha ko"...and Gulaal crying beside him...amazingly shot scene, seriously.

Undeniably, the final part... especially the exact point of his letting out the secret was so powerful... the lead up to it had me clutching the edge of my seat, and I was nose deep into my screen by the time the episode finished! His tears for Vasant's loss - the first that were purely for Vasant as Srush said, were so moving... and Sushant Singh's expression to couple with that, just sealed perfection! Such a deadly combination of anger and guilt!

Also loved the way he shouted out the "JHOOT" after Dushyant slaps him...there is this whole bit with Kesar first in shock as he's touching the spot on his face where Dushyant slapped him but the way he roars out that jhoot again was SUPERB.

Haha, yeh, he sure knows how to bounce back, doesn't he now!

But haaye bechaare Kesar ko kya SOLID do thappad pade aaj😆...ek yeh hi punching bag hai sabka is show mein...poor guy...lol


So I'd thought all this would happen maybe tomorrow but I should know that this show always surprises me...lol...and now precap sets things up for the next stage...So it's Dushyant that reveals that Gulaal hid the secret...even till the very end, Dushyant ended up trying to "protect" Gulaal in a sense even though he's only ended up pushing her into a cliff vis a vis the family's reactions...Chalo Kesar hai na Gulaal ko support karne ke liye ;-)



@bold - totally! The moment he spoke in her defense and let the final secret out I was like nooo! Dushyant! What are you thinking! I'm excited to see how Kesar gets around to realizing what his outburst has done against Gulaal! ... and as Anjali said, especially his (hopefully) personally acquired conclusive comprehension of why Gulaal kept the secret under wraps all these years... he's going to watch the family rift tear apart the house live now, and understand the far reaching consequences, as he never foresaw!

Btw, JK does stand up in Dushyant's defense then?! If Raman has just fled the scene and we'll never hear from him again - I'll be so mad at the unfairness of justice!
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: nureat01



I don't think Kesar will find out the truth of Dushyant's motive...I think Dushyant will just quietly accept that he murdered Vasant and leave it at that...the precap doesn't make it seem like Dushyant has revealed what his feelings for Gulaal were...waise bhi the rest of the family knows...Sudha, JK etc. know what Dushyant felt...it's only Kesar who doesn't know...


I'm kinda with Piu on this Nur... Although I agree it wont be Dushyant claiming his reason as lust for Gulaal - usko kisine bolne layak kahan choda hai - I think the coming forth of Dushyant's motive before Kesar is important. In a way his reason is very much responsible, not just for Vasant's murder, but also for the Kes-Gul DV... I think this revelation will be brought upon him by Gulaal herself... in some flow of the moment maybe?! And although Sudha, JK and all know about Dushyant's thing for Gulaal - given Dushyant's otherwise greedy and selfish ways of that point, its not hard to think he did murder Vasant for position in the family business... and maybe even they don't put the two and two together about Gulaal being the cause so soon!

I suppose its possible to forgo the motive and still finish up the track - but I do hope the motive comes to fore in explicit sense, before Kesar at least... It gives a whole new perspective to he credibility of Dushyant's reform, which was all Gulaal's indirect doing. Minus of the Gulaal angle, Dushyant's guilt of having killed Vasant for power and position would have been no more than Raman's guilt for Dushyant's plight atm because of him. A decade ago, these brothers were alike in that sense - Gulaal is what has brought the u turn in Dushyant's life... and so I would honestly like to see Kesar see that fact...
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: JZephyr


Tomorrow, of course, will be another story!

ps: Dude! There's like debatable count few days left for the show, why detach yourself from its genius now?! 🤔

I did this about 3 weeks ago, remember when i said i wont be writing analysis everyday, thats when it happened, probably before the news hit of Gulaal finally ending in August
I agree with Nur, that the scene with Gulaal crying and Kesar crying was shot so well - i found that Gulaal felt Kesar's hurt, in what Kesar was saying Maar Daala mere Vasant Bha ko along with her hurt and pain
Kesar is now gonna see what this will do to his family, the consequences of it, and why Gulaal did what she did - the family is going to be ripped apart and see ppl against her (esp MB and PB), - something he will have to see and endure and also if he can hold onto them all on one side and the other side be there for Gulaal as well
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Wonderful post. And what an episode. It really shook me. The way they executed was excellent and I still am under its effect. This show always has come up with something too different and yet that different thing did not look one bit artificial. You guys already discussed and I dont need to say any further.

As many of you said, I felt for both. But in recent episodes, I can feel the silent pain of D. And somehow tommorrow I feel will be the end of his punishment. Yes, I feel he is getting released tommorrow from a very big punishment, which he has taken all these 10 years.

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