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Aeryn

@Aeryn

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Posted: 14 years ago

#71

Originally posted by: JZephyr

In a way, Dushyant's truth to have come out a decade ago would have been only half the pain it is now - at that point, the angst of the wound may have been freshly dealt, but at that point, Dushyant, for no one, was no where close to taking Vasant's position... The saint that he has become in a decade makes the entire truth revelation now so many times worse... Kesar's last words ... kitna dhong karenge aap, aur kitna dhong... are just unbearable to take - for the broken picture of him at that point, and for its impact on Dushyant...

I doubt I can get enough of this scene, or ever, like ever, get over it, really!

So true JZephyr! While learning the truth 10 years ago would have still been painful it is so much more now...they had trusted Dushy to 'replace' Vasant in the household, a role which he played really well. They had come to rely/depend on him. Discovering the truth now has a new whole, greater sense of betrayal written over it than back then...the knowledge that they trusted the very same man who was responsible for their loss must be hard to digest (that too a family member!)

But knowing Dushy's redemption is genuine I really feel for him. Raman for all his deeds is still viewed as part of the family...it's unfair *sigh* but well life generally is...

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AreYaar

@AreYaar

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+ 19

Posted: 14 years ago

#72

@Jzee: Oh totally...Raman was a BLACK character through and through since day one...while Dushyant was always grey...yes his ego was hurt when Gulaal's rishta ended up happening with Vasant...there is an interesting scene from the time when D and V come to Gulaal's house to get her back after the 'pag-phere' or whatever that rasam is when the bride goes back to her maayka day after her marriage...and D is insulted by Gulaal's friends...he storms out in anger and Gulaal goes running after him to pacify him...and that is the first time he grabs Gulaal in anger/bruised ego or whatever you want to call it...

Dushyant did some terrible things in the days leading up to the DV...he participated actively enough in JK and co's machinations to scare Kesar, take advantage of Kesar to do stuff like send the drugged drink to Gulaal...all these things...but then when he finally changed, that moment was also brilliantly shown...At the heart of it, what we see from D as a character is that we all have flaws...a tendency to be both good and bad...in D's case, his flaws became his downfall when mixed with his obsession for Gulaal and not being to get her...I literally say this again and again but indeed the devil had taken over his mind in that span of time...but it was Gulaal that finally snapped him out of it with the double whammy of letting him know that she knows he murdered Vasant and that he can "have" her body if he wants but she will be like a zinda laash who's soul he can never touch.

So yes, D too has loved Gulaal in his own way...a love that began on a very dark note ultimately evolved into a kind of devotion toward Gulaal that he then lived for the next 10 years...Gulaal became a divine figure to him whom he put up on a pedestal to worship from afar in a sense.

Edited by nureat01 - 14 years ago

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without-fathom

@without-fathom

Rocker

Posted: 14 years ago

#73

@Aeryn - It's impossible to not feel for Dushyant! The irony is, that with the exception of GK themself, you almost place Dushyant's agony as above the rest of the family under who's guilt he will now pack himself off to jail. Not a soul to understand his side of 'redemption' ... including Gulaal herself - because she never truly came to forgive him, and even today, when she struggled to contain Kesar, in the end, when the cat was out of the bag, she couldn't help but feel accusingly towards him... That's the greatest penance for his sin - that he cannot be forgiven, even by those who have had it in their heart to at least accept him again - whether that's Kesar, or Gulaal, each in heir own way...

@Nur - true, although Raman and Dushyant showed some stark similarity of evil in the early part of the show - they were always quite different. Dushyant always had a sort of soft spot for his family people - this way or that.

So yes, D too has loved Gulaal in his own way...a love that began on a very dark note ultimately evolved into a kind of devotion toward Gulaal that he then lived for the next 10 years...Gulaal became a divine figure to him whom he put up on a pedestal to worship from afar in a sense.

^^ Word!

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Ganga

@Avatarana09

Dazzler

Posted: 14 years ago

#74

Originally posted by: JZephyr

So yes, D too has loved Gulaal in his own way...a love that began on a very dark note ultimately evolved into a kind of devotion toward Gulaal that he then lived for the next 10 years...Gulaal became a divine figure to him whom he put up on a pedestal to worship from afar in a sense.

^^ Word!

I was actually impressed by the transformation scene. When he realizes that Gulaal knew all along and still was willing to keep that a secret for the sake of family, he was a changed man right at that moment. After that incident, Gulaal does not reach home and sits at the temple crying over her fate.

Pannba treacks her down to the temple and asks her what had happened. the only thing she said after looking at Dushyant standing far away was " Vasant ki bahut yaad aa rahi hai". that scene my heart went out to her.

When Pannba manages to take her home, Dushyant picks her "jooti" that was outside the temple that she had forgotten to wear. That scene was significant because it marked the begining of Dushyant considering her as a divine figure indeed. Carrying the footwear of a person symbolises SLAVERY. he willingly became a devoted slave to her. He brings her the 'jooti" and returns the "taweez" which was proof that he murdered Vasant. Gulaal had thrown it on his face at that abandoned house asking him to destroy it before her mind would change. He returns it to her saying his life strings are with her and she has the rights to pull a stop to it whenever she found it necessary.

I also remember a scene after that when Sudha teases Dushyant saying he still loves Gulaal for which he replies "kisi aurat se pyaar karna bahut aasaan hota hai, lekin kisi aurat ka izzat karna, bahut mushkil hai".

Hence started his penance and his reform. But we always pay for our sins, or so we believe, who aren't atheists

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-Srushti-

@-Srushti-

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+ 7

Posted: 14 years ago

#75

Originally posted by: MeySimi
I was actually impressed by the transformation scene. When he realizes that Gulaal knew all along and still was willing to keep that a secret for the sake of family, he was a changed man right at that moment. After that incident, Gulaal does not reach home and sits at the temple crying over her fate.
Pannba treacks her down to the temple and asks her what had happened. the only thing she said after looking at Dushyant standing far away was " Vasant ki bahut yaad aa rahi hai". that scene my heart went out to her.

When Pannba manages to take her home, Dushyant picks her "jooti" that was outside the temple that she had forgotten to wear. That scene was significant because it marked the begining of Dushyant considering her as a divine figure indeed. Carrying the footwear of a person symbolises SLAVERY. he willingly became a devoted slave to her. He brings her the 'jooti" and returns the "taweez" which was proof that he murdered Vasant. Gulaal had thrown it on his face at that abandoned house asking him to destroy it before her mind would change. He returns it to her saying his life strings are with her and she has the rights to pull a stop to it whenever she found it necessary.

I also remember a scene after that when Sudha teases Dushyant saying he still loves Gulaal for which he replies "kisi aurat se pyaar karna bahut aasaan hota hai, lekin kisi aurat ka izzat karna, bahut mushkil hai".

Hence started his penance and his reform. But we always pay for our sins, or so we believe, who aren't atheists

@ bold WORD Ganga...beautifully put👏

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without-fathom

@without-fathom

Rocker

Posted: 14 years ago

#76

Originally posted by: MeySimi
I was actually impressed by the transformation scene. When he realizes that Gulaal knew all along and still was willing to keep that a secret for the sake of family, he was a changed man right at that moment. After that incident, Gulaal does not reach home and sits at the temple crying over her fate.

Pannba treacks her down to the temple and asks her what had happened. the only thing she said after looking at Dushyant standing far away was " Vasant ki bahut yaad aa rahi hai". that scene my heart went out to her.

When Pannba manages to take her home, Dushyant picks her "jooti" that was outside the temple that she had forgotten to wear. That scene was significant because it marked the begining of Dushyant considering her as a divine figure indeed. Carrying the footwear of a person symbolises SLAVERY. he willingly became a devoted slave to her. He brings her the 'jooti" and returns the "taweez" which was proof that he murdered Vasant. Gulaal had thrown it on his face at that abandoned house asking him to destroy it before her mind would change. He returns it to her saying his life strings are with her and she has the rights to pull a stop to it whenever she found it necessary.

I also remember a scene after that when Sudha teases Dushyant saying he still loves Gulaal for which he replies "kisi aurat se pyaar karna bahut aasaan hota hai, lekin kisi aurat ka izzat karna, bahut mushkil hai".

Hence started his penance and his reform. But we always pay for our sins, or so we believe, who aren't atheists

I still keep hearing about scenes and instances that I've not watched ?! 🤔 Haven't seen the Dushyant Sudha scene you talk of - but very well written Ganga - indeed, picking up her footwear after her was the first sign of the long road he hence embarked upon... and this is where I give the show and its CVs all the more extra points! They did not transform the 'wrongs' of Dushyant overnight - they only changed his evil spirit in a moment! There on, he still had to go quite the while before he could understand and appreciate, and further imbibe the rule book of right vs wrong... Incidents like him offering Gulaal money twice - for the karkhana, and her turning him down both times for different reasons that took him a while to empathize with, and then the incident of his realization that he should give up on his nasha... it all came in steps... while the intent to reform had been sparked in that moment, the actual steps required were a tedious labor, and not an overnight change as we witness in most characters on television... it is his odyssey of reform that in fact makes his change of heart and person so credible, despite how drastic it is! 👏 And the reason our hearts would go out to him in a scene like yesterday - was because Kesar despite having all his 'facts' right, has not been around to witness that transformation, its pains and labors - and so unlike Gulaal, he doesn't appreciate it that way, or cannot! The others in the family on the other hand can't appreciate it, because even though they have known him to evolve from wrong to right - they have no idea of just how wrong his rock bottom was, and just how testing these ten years have been. An understanding and empathy of that side of him lies only with Gulaal, which is why, despite never having forgiven him in her heart, she has found acceptance of him as a person, and even come to respect and support his ways - the same mahanta which as you mentioned the other day, no other member of the family can relate with!

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Ganga

@Avatarana09

Dazzler

Posted: 14 years ago

#77

In all this, I still feel the real reason behind Dushyant killing Vasant will be at least revealed to Kesar sooner or later. Again so to speak, Kesar has the right to know the actual reason behind Vasant's killing because 1) He is Vasant's brother 2) and more so Kesar is Gulaal's husband and 3) Kesar has this misconception about Raman being good. 4) Raman has to pay for his crime.

I feel one of these days someone would come across that so called NO DUES clearance signed by the goons on the bond paper and realize that the money was for Raman.

The important reason being there should be some credit to Dushyant's reform in 10 years.

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Gman

@Gman

Navigator

Posted: 14 years ago

#78

Jzephyr, Thanks for the post, it has been pleasure reading your post but don't get much as I want too.

But definitely yestrd epi was mindblowing, shook me to core and worried for Gulsar couple on its consequences. I am later comer, but plz forgive me for late coming and giving my invalueable remarks for none.

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