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Posted: 15 years ago
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@ gina & yasri : Beautiful replies both of you !! I agree with what you have said, but you two are not understanding either me or Gunjan's POV about Samrat.

Everyone and most of all Gunjan knows about Samrat's insecurities and fears, and she even mentioned that in her letter that she understands that he is doing all this because he is afraid of loosing her. She also told him that she loves only HIM, and would always love HIM. That should have been enough for Samrat to stop and think about what Gunjan has said. But he didnt do that, inseatd he acted impulsively again. Agreed that his actions are due to the fact that he has had a very lonely childhood, but that's where the difference come between US and Gunjan, because she knows she would be hindering Samrat the most by catering to those insecurities and fears. You think she is doing enough to help get rid of his fears, but the fact is for the first time someone is doing exactly what Samrat needs, and that is to stop thinking about the cause of his problem and think about the solution to it. She knows about his demons the most but unlike US, she is not going 'awww my poor Samrat, awwww poor baby', because she knows that won't help him. What will help him is for him to realize HIS own SELF WORTH, which he has lost during his childhood when everyone left HIM. Samrat does not need to prove to Gunjan, or to Neil or to anyone in this world that he is worthy of Gunjan's or anyone's love. Samrat needs to realize his own SELF WORTH for himself, only then he will be able to see HIMSELF through Gunjan's eyes, because for Gunjan, HE IS THE BEST. It would be then he wouldn't worry about Gunjan working and not spending time with him, it would be then that he wouldnt care if 100 guys like Neil come and say that they love Gunjan and want to marry HER, because he would be confident about the fact that whatever happens, nothing could come between them, that whatever happens, Gunjan would never leave him.

Yasri, I will have to disagree with you about Sam not wanting to be anything like his dad or having any problems with work commitment. Remember the jail track ?? He was worried that his being in jail and getting a sentence would affect his career, he even said that out loud in one op the epi's, so he may not study, but thats only because his passion has always been BB, but that doesnt mean after college, he wouldnt want to have a career of his own. He wants an identity of himself as much as Gunjan, that's why he was so angry and upset when Adhiraj became the captain and Gunjan called him the team's best player, because right that that was his identity and he saw someone else taking it away from HIM. So he did, what anyone in his place would have done, he fought to get that identity back. And Gunjan helped HIM, because she knew how important that was to HIM, because even then she realized the importance of his own self worth, not for anyone, but for himself, but SHE also knows that Samrat cannot be the coolest dude of Excel or the basket ball champ all HIS life. After college, HE will have to enter practical life, whether it is to get a job, open his own business, or even manage his dad's empire, and at that time he needs to understand that things won't always go his way.

Gina, you said that even though love isnt everything, love like theirs should be held above everything !!! Agreed, but isnt that what SaJan has been doing till now and Gunjan is still doing ? Holding their love above all ? Even her own Identity ? She would have quit this movie in an minute had she known this would have helped Samrat get rid of his insecurities, but her quitting the movie would have helped him for a day, a week, maybe a month and then they would have been back again. She wants his fears and insecurities to end forever !! And there is no doubt that even now she holds their love above all, thats why despite doing this movie, she has done everything in her power to make Samrat realize that she HE would never loose her and that HE is everything to HER, because she loves only HIM !! But when she realized, her saying and trying to make him realize is not helping him at all, that's when she decided to help him by guiding him about how to go about getting rid of his insecurities, and that's why she wrote that letter.

I know all of you love Samrat very much, but you forget that no one loves Sam more then Gunjan, and she may not dealing with Sam insecurities to your liking, but that doesn't mean she is WRONG or being selfish. This movie maybe her chance to make her own identity, but her DREAM has always been a life with Samrat, because her LIFE is Samrat, but she also knows while they want to spend their lives loving each other, they would do that successfully only when they love themselves just as much.

Sorry for the very long reply, but more then loving and supporting Sam, the need of teh day is for all of you to love and support SaJan.

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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: xaviara

@ gina & yasri : Beautiful replies both of you !! I agree with what you have said, but you two are not understanding either me or Gunjan's POV about Samrat.

Everyone and most of all Gunjan knows about Samrat's insecurities and fears, and she even mentioned that in her letter that she understands that he is doing all this because he is afraid of loosing her. She also told him that she loves only HIM, and would always love HIM. That should have been enough for Samrat to stop and think about what Gunjan has said. But he didnt do that, inseatd he acted impulsively again. Agreed that his actions are due to the fact that he has had a very lonely childhood, but that's where the difference come between US and Gunjan, because she knows she would be hindering Samrat the most by catering to those insecurities and fears. You think she is doing enough to help get rid of his fears, but the fact is for the first time someone is doing exactly what Samrat needs, and that is to stop thinking about the cause of his problem and think about the solution to it. She knows about his demons the most but unlike US, she is not going 'awww my poor Samrat, awwww poor baby', because she knows that won't help him. What will help him is for him to realize HIS own SELF WORTH, which he has lost during his childhood when everyone left HIM. Samrat does not need to prove to Gunjan, or to Neil or to anyone in this world that he is worthy of Gunjan's or anyone's love. Samrat needs to realize his own SELF WORTH for himself, only then he will be able to see HIMSELF through Gunjan's eyes, because for Gunjan, HE IS THE BEST. It would be then he wouldn't worry about Gunjan working and not spending time with him, it would be then that he wouldnt care if 100 guys like Neil come and say that they love Gunjan and want to marry HER, because he would be confident about the fact that whatever happens, nothing could come between them, that whatever happens, Gunjan would never leave him.

Yasri, I will have to disagree with you about Sam not wanting to be anything like his dad or having any problems with work commitment. Remember the jail track ?? He was worried that his being in jail and getting a sentence would affect his career, he even said that out loud in one op the epi's, so he may not study, but thats only because his passion has always been BB, but that doesnt mean after college, he wouldnt want to have a career of his own. He wants an identity of himself as much as Gunjan, that's why he was so angry and upset when Adhiraj became the captain and Gunjan called him the team's best player, because right that that was his identity and he saw someone else taking it away from HIM. So he did, what anyone in his place would have done, he fought to get that identity back. And Gunjan helped HIM, because she knew how important that was to HIM, because even then she realized the importance of his own self worth, not for anyone, but for himself, but SHE also knows that Samrat cannot be the coolest dude of Excel or the basket ball champ all HIS life. After college, HE will have to enter practical life, whether it is to get a job, open his own business, or even manage his dad's empire, and at that time he needs to understand that things won't always go his way.


Gina, you said that even though love isnt everything, love like theirs should be held above everything !!! Agreed, but isnt that what SaJan has been doing till now and Gunjan is still doing ? Holding their love above all ? Even her own Identity ? She would have quit this movie in an minute had she known this would have helped Samrat get rid of his insecurities, but her quitting the movie would have helped him for a day, a week, maybe a month and then they would have been back again. She wants his fears and insecurities to end forever !! And there is no doubt that even now she holds their love above all, thats why despite doing this movie, she has done everything in her power to make Samrat realize that she HE would never loose her and that HE is everything to HER, because she loves only HIM !! But when she realized, her saying and trying to make him realize is not helping him at all, that's when she decided to help him by guiding him about how to go about getting rid of his insecurities, and that's why she wrote that letter.

I know all of you love Samrat very much, but you forget that no one loves Sam more then Gunjan, and she may not dealing with Sam insecurities to your liking, but that doesn't mean she is WRONG or being selfish. This movie maybe her chance to make her own identity, but her DREAM has always been a life with Samrat, because her LIFE is Samrat, but she also knows while they want to spend their lives loving each other, they would do that successfully only when they love themselves just as much.

Sorry for the very long reply, but more then loving and supporting Sam, the need of teh day is for all of you to love and support SaJan.

Thanks for your reply.............it seems we are competing who post a longer essay..........😆😆
I never questioned her love...........I know she loves him very very much............and she did gave him alot.........
I was just saying her way to handle what happened wasn't right.........or in more simple words, wasn't the best way.......... her intentions are so correct and telling him to start think about his future was absolutely right..........as you said by having a career their relation would be stronger and better................and would help him to fight against his fears..........but the way she used to tell him showed that she understimated his issues............otherwise, how can you explain the problems that happend so far............. if her way was correct, the results would difinitly be correct as well.......
Like in Math, if you didn't get the right result, there must be something wrong in your inputs.....the inputs can't correct itself.........you are the one who should work and think if you want the correct result................hope you understood what I meant......
@ pink
It could be true for a normal person who lived a balanced life............but in most of cases it won't work.........coz you can't standardized what you give (be it words, efforts..etc) to everyone.......... you feel what she did was enough coz if you were in his place you would get it............but Sam did not get it........because he has different charachter than what you have........his ability to get that was less due to the unbalanced life he lived.........
Like when a teacher try to teach kids at school, some kids learn fast while others would take time to get it..........and it's not because the first group were more clever.........coz maybe at the end from the second group you'll get a scientist.........(like Einishtine as I remember....actually I don't remeber which one)
The same goes to Sam...........he couldn't get it due to his unbalanced life..........but that doesn't mean he is not qualified to be with Gunji.........
@ green
You're right.......for the first time Gunji didn't spend time to think about the causes.......... and look what happened..!!...........Previously, Gunji used to think about the causes and spend time to hear and understand Sam.......and see the difference between the old Sam and Sam before this track........something impressing and all credits goes to Gunji............
I think her old method to solve problems were more succeed......... I don't want her to go "awww my poor sammy"........nor want her to look for a different solution which is the career here...........I only want her to not forget her old successful elements that always worked with him.......specially communication......
The second part
I didn't say identity was one of his fears..........Actually I always saw him as a guy with his own identity that is suitable enough for a college student.............
You maybe right regarding work commitment coz I missed that part you said..........but I still think he has fears of being like his dad and other fears about being committed to work............ I'm saying that based on my personal experience.......
Actually I'm not Samratian.........I'm Sajanian.............but in some tracks I become more Samratian........and some other I become more Gunjanian.......... but at the end love them both equally..............coz what I realy love about them that they complete each other so perfectly...
At the end I know Gunjan and Sam love each other very much.....no doubt.........but I just criticized the actions of BOTH in this track........ Sam's fault is very clear to everyone, but seems Gunji's fault is not clear enough that's why I gave it more space..........specially to Gunjanians who can't accept that their heroin can be at fault just like the others........sorry, but this is how I feel it frankly....
Edited by yasri - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: yasri

Thanks for your reply.............it seems we are competing who post a longer essay..........😆😆
I never questioned her love...........I know she loves him very very much............and she did gave him alot.........
I was just saying her way to handle what happened wasn't right.........or in more simple words, wasn't the best way.......... her intentions are so correct and telling him to start think about his future was absolutely right..........as you said by having a career their relation would be stronger and better................and would help him to fight against his fears..........but the way she used to tell him showed that she understimated his issues............otherwise, how can you explain the problems that happend so far............. if her way was correct, the results would difinitly be correct as well.......

@ blue : Just because you think her way of handling things is not correct, doesnt make it so. I have already said so that just because she is not handling the things according to your liking, doesnt mean she is wrong or her way is not correct !! And I didn't say that having a career would improve their relationship, I said that the only way now for Sam to get rid of his own insecurities is to realize his own self worth, because his fear of loosing Gunjan stems from the fact that he feels he is unworthy of her love, which stems from his abandonment issues !!

@ maroon : Its so ironic, that all the problems have happened because of Samrat and yet Gunjan is being blamed yet again, because she hasnt quit the movie or told Neil to take a hike, so she can stay with Samrat 24/7 and tell him million times that she won't leave HIM !! She has been telling him what he means to her and how much she loves him like she used too since the starting !!! From the time she learned about the surprise party to the time he told her that because of the film things are changing between them !! what didnt she do to make him realize that she loves him and would never leave HIM !! She got so upset when she couldnt find him, that Neil had to cancel the shoot, she later made a time table, so they she could spend her every free time with him, she kept telling him that HE is EVERTHING to her, in scene where she says'Tum Sab Kuch Ho'. Even after their arguement, she wrote him a letter, because she could never leave without telling him, so he wouldn't be concerned !!

You don't see those things which Gunjan does, all you see is the fact that Samrat went 20 KM outside the city to get a rose for her, or beat up the reporter for tarnishing her name, but you didn't see that Gunjan knew Sam well enough to tell Neil that Samrat would go to jail but won't apologize, but ended up asking him to apologize because he could not see Samrat going to jail again because of HER !!!



Like in Math, if you didn't get the right result, there must be something wrong in your inputs.....the inputs can't correct itself.........you are the one who should work and think if you want the correct result................hope you understood what I meant......

I understand what you mean, but only time will tell if it is Gunjan who maths is wrong or Samrat's.

@ pink
It could be true for a normal person who lived a balanced life............but in most of cases it won't work.........coz you can't standardized what you give (be it words, efforts..etc) to everyone.......... you feel what she did was enough coz if you were in his place you would get it............but Sam did not get it........because he has different charachter than what you have........his ability to get that was less due to the unbalanced life he lived.........
Like when a teacher try to teach kids at school, some kids learn fast while others would take time to get it..........and it's not because the first group were more clever.........coz maybe at the end from the second group you'll get a scientist.........(like Einishtine as I remember....actually I don't remeber which one)
The same goes to Sam...........he couldn't get it due to his unbalanced life..........but that doesn't mean he is not qualified to be with Gunji.........

First of all I never said he is not qualified to be with Gunjan, and you have just proved what I have been trying to tell you, that you are going on and on about how Samrat has a difficult childhood and that he wouldnt understand so easily, and you gave an example of teacher and her students. That is where the difference lies between you and Gunjan, and that is why Sam fell in love with HER, because SHE has never underestimated Samrat or what he could do !! To her HE is her EQUAL in every way !!! That's why she knows and have full confidence that even with even just a small guidance from her, he would be able to realize the way to get rid of his fears and insecurities !! That's why she wrote him a letter and guided him to realize his own self worth !!! Not for her but for himself !! Because she knows life is not a bed of roses and Samrat should know how to handle himself in any situation.


@ green
You're right.......for the first time Gunji didn't spend time to think about the causes.......... and look what happened..!!...........Previously, Gunji used to think about the causes and spend time to hear and understand Sam.......and see the difference between the old Sam and Sam before this track........something impressing and all credits goes to Gunji............
I think her old method to solve problems were more succeed......... I don't want her to go "awww my poor sammy"........nor want her to look for a different solution which is the career here...........I only want her to not forget her old successful elements that always worked with him.......specially communication......

Yasri, she does understand the cause, didnt she say in her letter that she knows why he is acting like this because he is afraid to loose her ! The only difference is that she rather then concentrate on Sam's problem, she choose to concentrate on the solution to his problem, thats is for him to realize his self worth, only then he will be able to get rid of his fears !!! For the last time !! Gunjan CANNOT get rid of his fears, even if she wants too !!! Only Sam can do that, she can only guide him how to go about doing so !!!!

The second part
I didn't say identity was one of his fears..........Actually I always saw him as a guy with his own identity that is suitable enough for a college student.............
You maybe right regarding work commitment coz I missed that part you said..........but I still think he has fears of being like his dad and other fears about being committed to work............ I'm saying that based on my personal experience.......
Actually I'm not Samratian.........I'm Sajanian.............but in some tracks I become more Samratian........and some other I become more Gunjanian.......... but at the end love them both equally..............coz what I realy love about them that they complete each other so perfectly...
At the end I know Gunjan and Sam love each other very much.....no doubt.........but I just criticized the actions of BOTH in this track........ Sam's fault is very clear to everyone, but seems Gunji's fault is not clear enough that's why I gave it more space..........specially to Gunjanians who can't accept that their heroin can be at fault just like the others........sorry, but this is how I feel it frankly....

I never said Gunjan cannot be wrong, ofcourse she can be, she is a human being at the end of the day !! I didn't post in this topic to bash Samrat, or to praise Gunjan, i posted here to explain that this track is to show Samrat his fears and insecurites are inside him and how much anyone, even Gunjan try, then cannot be rid off until Sam get rid of them on his own !!! Gunjan can help him and she is, but the rest is upto Sam !!! Even after the paralysis track, Sam tried to get rid of Gunjan's insecurities and he succeeded for only sometime, because no one in this world can fight your inner demons, only you urself can do that !! this movie will help get rid of Gunjan insecurities once and for all !! Just like Sam knew that and encouraged her, just like that Gunjan knows that only Sam can help himself, so she is encouraging him to realize his own self worth !!


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Posted: 15 years ago
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oh god navz and yasri whats with u guys...going on posting and posting...well i am all confused every line seems to have a logic and that too a very deep one behind it...can just say one thing that whetehr its gunjan who is more correct or its sam but at the end their love shud win...and thats what i want to see.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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For me, nobody is wrong... Guys, they are SaJan.. whatever they are... right or wrong, they are together.. There is no separate Samrat or Gunjan when their is SaJan..
and ultimately, SaJan love is gona win 😊
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Posted: 15 years ago
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My pov is Gunjan has her own share of responsibility for what happened............coz for me, whatever comes and happen in the life of Sajan/anycouple should be handled solidarity/jointly.........coz any step from both party (be it action, reaction, or no action) would have it's effect eventually.......sharing gains, sharing pains..........and sharing responsibility like one body.............
and your pov is she hasn't coz everything she did was completely right and her way was the best to be done...............we finally agreed to not agree......... 😃
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Posted: 15 years ago
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nice post gina ...

what I dont agree wit is the fact that u said this - sam is NOT childish/immature ..

he is VERY MUCH childish and immature .. he IS ... and it doesnt even matter even if he is wrong/right in IT .. because thats HIM .. it does not matter even if he is immature, childish, impulsive..behaving like a brat .. making all stupid mistakes...but THATS OK .. thers nothing wrong in making mistakes..because human beings are known to make mistakes and learn from them ..

I wudnt even call gunjan to b perfect .. not at all! ppl may go on how perfect she is n all..but I wudnt agree at all .. she has made mistakes in her life too..only thing is .. once she makes a mistake, she thinks 10000 times before making another mistake and doesnt make a new one for a long time later on..and thats why ppl find her to b "perfect" which she soo isnt ..

and its because of these imperfections that make them real .. and they dont love each other inspite of them .. they love each other BECAUSE of those imperfections ..

I hav always said that their love never needs protection..cuz it protects itself .. u kno why? because even NOW .. gunjan wud never want to 'change' sam per say .. she wud never want tht childidhness .. that vulnerability to go away from him..because thats one of the qualities because of which she fell for him .. she is jus making him aware of his mistakes in life .. of his own decisions in life..which may make him commit a mistake .. and again, she is not even telling him the solution .. she is telling him jus the path towards it..he has to get his own solution himself ..

and I LOVED her for acknowledging the fact that whatever's happening in their life right now is NOT because of the movie .. because circumstances dont make u take decisions..U take ur own decisions .. what gunjan is making him realise is that, he cannot hav everything in life .. because sometimes things dont go according to ur will..and then its upto u..whether to crib and cry abt it..or to accept it wit open arms and grow up from it ...

this is their journey towards it .. not jus sam's..but gunjan's too .. tho she is the more mature one..she has realised that sooner than him .. I still rem how impulsive even she was the first day she didnt see him .. when they wer unable to meet .. so tis not that only sam is umpulsive..she is impulsive too .. only, she manages to think rationally at times..whereas sam cannot! thats why they complement each other beautifully ...

and this movie is not jus her discovering her own identity for herself .. its via this..that she has realised how beautiful life can be when u hav a goal..an aim to look forward too .. she is feeling all those feelings right now .. and thats why she is telling sam to search for that happiness too..and the BEST part is that she isnt forcing him to choose something..she is jus letting him BE .. she is telling him to search for his own identity .. his own dream .. and whatever it is, she will welcome it wit open arms .. jus like he welcomed hers wit open arms .. even now, sam is not sad that gunjan is doing the movie .. he is sad that he is not getting sum time to spend wit her .. he is like a child lost in his mum's group of friends..who is craving for his mum's attention .. the child is wrong here..he shud learn to share his mum wit her friends .. and thats what sam shud learn to do .. share her wit the world ..

and the fact tht he is afraid..scared to share her wit the world is because of his own insecurities..its because he feels that is he lets her go..he will lose her forever .. because he has lost his entire family that way .. and he doesnt want to lose gunjan too.. he has already been on the verge of losing her when she was abt to die..and he cannot lost her again..he jus cant afford too ..

but like navs said .. when it comes to one's inner demons/fears..one can completely get rid of them when one fights his own battles .. if others fight the battle for u..u win temporarily..but in the long run u lose ultimately .. and gunjan is viewing this battle of his .. jus like he viewed hers when she was in paralysis .. she is doing the same for him here ..

and its this journey of theirs .. now even ther, they did get angry on each other .. but ultimately they did win..because for them, its not his/her battle..its always THEIR battle ..

I dunno what I jus rambled above..mayb I m wayy out of topic .. but I jus had to let open my thoughts regarding this track .. thers a lot to b said yet .. will say it slowly in other posts ...

I was the one who said that I m biased towards the women in the show .. yes, I still am probably .. I wud still blame sam and get angry on him ... but that doesnt mean that I dont understand wher he is coming from .. and even I m human .. so I dont admit that I m fully correct too .. only time will tell ..

all I wanna say is .. after fri's epi .. this is no longer abt sam or gunjan for me .. this is abt THEM..u cant separate the two of them..because they are one single unit ..

how amidst all the dirty, crappy games being played around them .. they still retain their purity ... innocence, trust and respect in love.. is all that this track is gonna give us ..


Edited by mads - 15 years ago
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Beautiful posts naveen, yasri, yashi, ritesh and mads….I loved reading them all and I think that in a way all of you are right….

Both Samrat and Gunjan have made some mistakes but the best thing about Sajan has always been their willingness to do anything and everything possible to hold on to each other including forgiving each other's mistakes from time to time….So, this time is not going to be any different *fingers crossed*

Even this time both Sam and Gunjan are at fault….but neither one of them is acting immature or childish….it's the circumstances that are making them react in a certain way…but in their own way both of them are still doing their best to hold on to each other….

This post like I had already said before was never about Sam vs. Gunjan because I understand both of their POVs….I wrote it to clear some negativity in the forum which was going on because of topics comparing Samrat with Neil and issues of Maturity….

I still maintain my opinion on the fact that maturity or childishness are judgments based on the motives of a person and not the acts itself…and Samrat's motives have never been immature…

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