understanding Samrat - Page 4

Originally posted by: riteshhere

I agree with your post totally.
Here neither Samrat not Gunjan is wrong. People react like Samrat in these situations. I can totally relate to him.
And yes he has a little kid inside him. Maybe because he could not have his childhood because of his parents so that kid still comes out. But we all know that very well and everybody adored that about him always. But having a kid inside and acting childish are totally different things. He is sure not acting childish.
Also Gunjan is perfectly right about her thing that they both have to find that other aspect of their life apart from each others' lovers. Only then they can have a beautiful future together.
I respect both Gunjan and Samrat's views and I support both of them. I only laugh at posts suggesting Neil is better for Gunjan or Sheena should come as good person for Samrat. Okay, do not know what Neil is upto. But even if he is perfect, nobody can't replace Samrat and Gunjan for each other.
Remember guys, they were, are and will always be soulmates.
Will edit more later.

Originally posted by: lily_mjht

i am a huge sajan fan. i love both samrat and gunjan. they are perfect for each other. samrat is mature. he has proved it everytime. even on valentines nite, even though he had given gunjan the bracelet and she thought that purab was her secret friend he did nt react harshly even though frm that time itself she was special to him. samrat has always loved her, long before he even knew it and today when he is more in love with her than ever, he is at the risk of losing her. she is a very imp part of his life, the reason he lives and he is afraid of the world pulling her away from him. he doesnt doubt her love. he knows that she loves him more than anything in the world. what he doesnt trust is the world. the world is ruthlesss and is so caught up in its fast pace that pple wld crush true love without thinking twice. this was brght out in thte scene where the purple rose sam gave to gunjan fell on the ground and someone walked over it. so i think the only reason sam is reacting like this is b'coz of his fear of losing her. he is nt wrong at all. what makes me respect sam more is that he accepts his faults and this as per me is the biggest sign of a maturity. it's not easy 4 a person to accept his flaws but sam does it and he makes every effort to correct these flaws. rherefore to me sam is the most understanding, gentle, kind sweet, and mature boyfriend anyone could have. and i'm sure that this time too samrat will prove his maturity and samrat and gunjan will be together again with a rel that is stronger than ever. sajans love is pure and true. they love each other very much and i'm sure as always sajans love will win.

@ bold - very well said hon!!👏👏 @ red - I cant agree more!!...this is one of the biggest reasons why I adore samrat😳..

Originally posted by: -Ragini-

Ginzie, very well said hun, i dont hink i would want to add anything, coz u said everything so perfectly!!!! this topic was really needed for all the people here who cant think straight! Thanks hun 🤗

Originally posted by: Yamini.Arjun

Hey Gina, i think this is the first time im commenting on your topic, all i can say is both Samrat and Gunjan are right & wrong in their own ways, Gunjan came out of her shell because of none other than Samrat, and i hope Gunjan doesnt ever forget that, she was so timid & shy, but her current identity is due to Samrat, he's made her what she is today, But Gunjan is right in a way too because i tried to understand her POV, she's an independant girl who can take her own decisions in life, and having a boyfriend is not everything, you got to take care of other things as well, and on the other hand Samrat is right because before this "film" came into the picture, the duo were perfect & happy with each other and promised to each other that they will be together forever, but he's overreacting a liltte too much, because he was the one who convinced Gunjan to move on with her dreams, but now he should not stop her because of the fear of losing and insecurities..!

I hope i didnt offend anyone, its simply my POV..! 😊

first of all, welcome to the Samrat post Yamini😉😆....and I totally understand what you are trying to say....and I agree with the first part but not the second part....what I mean is I dont think he is overreacting because gunjan is the most precious person in his life....without her, he has absolutely no one who loves him......so any threat of losing her is a huge deal to him because she is his whole life....and if he is going thru so much pain and hurt then it should not be a small thing for gunjan either....I understand what gunjan is trying to do but I also know that she is going to be the first one to run to him when she comes to know just how hurt and upset he actually is right now....

Originally posted by: gina87

first of all, welcome to the Samrat post Yamini😉😆....and I totally understand what you are trying to say....and I agree with the first part but not the second part....what I mean is I dont think he is overreacting because gunjan is the most precious person in his life....without her, he has absolutely no one who loves him......so any threat of losing her is a huge deal to him because she is his whole life....and if he is going thru so much pain and hurt then it should not be a small thing for gunjan either....I understand what gunjan is trying to do but I also know that she is going to be the first one to run to him when she comes to know just how hurt and upset he actually is right now....

Originally posted by: gina87

aww you are welcome sweety🤗🤗....like aahana said in her post, we Sam girls dont bash anyone but if someone bashes our jaan then we come out in full force😆....right sweety?😉😆

yes gina u are absolutely right why people are criticising samrat's character he is really not immature infact he is totally mature and u are right he is only getting upset as he may loose his love his life the only person he has in his life and he is afraid that he may loose her as he had never got his parent and he dont want her chashmish to go from his life

Originally posted by: xaviara

hey Gina !! I havent been online for the past couple of weeks, just joined back and couldnt resist replying to this topic !! I don't know what others are saying, so I will just state my POV.

First of all, the main problem right now is that no one as yet has understood the track completely, if they had, none of you would be bashing Gunjan, Sam or even Neil, because trust me Neil is not part of any love triangle. He is there to help indirectly, but this track and this story is about SaJan only.

I would have to disagree with you on one thing Gina, Sam is acting childishly and being extremely immature, but I don't blame him, he is acting this way because he is afraid of loosing Gunjan. But then again, its HIS FEAR that is making him act like this. It is not Gunjan's fault, because till now she has done everything in her power to make Samrat realize that SHE loves only HIM, but the problem is that how many times Gunjan tell him that, it wouldn't help HIM get rid of his fears, because at the end of the day his insecurities and fears is about loosing Gunjan, because he thinks he is not worthy of Gunjan, that's why Gunjan in her letter first spoke aloud his fears and then also guided him towards a solution to getting rid of his insecurities, and that is to find his own identity !! Because at the end of the day Sam doesn't have to prove he is the best guy foir Gunjan to either Gunjan, or to Neil. He has to prove that to himself, only then he will feel confident about himself. and get rid of all his fears and insecurities. That is why Gunjan didn't give in to his demand of quitting the movie, because she rightly said, that everything has always gone according to Sam's wishes, but She knows that won't happen always, and he has to learn the fact that things never go the way we want in life.

This track is about self realization, of all the main leads ! In SaJan case Sam's self realization will help in getting rid of all his fears, insecurities and demons about loosing Gunjan, because once he feels confident about himself, he wouldnt care if 100 guy like Neil come and tells him that they love Gunjan and want to marry her, because by then Sam would know that Gunjan loves only HIM, and that won't happen by Gunjan telling him that again and again, like she has been doing so far, that will only happen when Sam realizes his self worth, only then he would be able to see himself through Gunjan eyes.

Criticizing your favOrite character or pointing out his faults can have some really good results. Had Sam friends had not pamper his ego all the time and actually pointed out where he was wrong, HE would have been a different Sam when he met Gunjan, but he wasn't, and the fact that Gunjan always point out his shortcomings and faults is what made him fall for her, because SHE has always wanted him to be the best at everything, that is why even now she is still thinking about HIM and what' best for HIM !! That is why she is Samrat ki Chashmish and not any of US !!

This was my POV, i hope i didn't offend anyone.

I liked your post.............but I don't completely agree with what you state.........

and here I'm posting my pov.........

First of all, Both Gunji and Sam are right in terms of intentions and goals..................but Sam is at fault in terms of actions and how to reach his goal...............and so is Gunji........

In terms of goals we all know how much they love each other and how they always work for the other's happiness............

But the actions this time were not correct from both sides................

Sam is not fearing that GUNJI will be away from him..............as much as he fears that WORK will pull her away from him slowly.......slowly.....

Do you remember Morena...!!

there could be their first seperation after being lovers.................He neither get hyper nor acted in wrong way.............he just accepted her decision of staying and was ready to only have her promises...........though a person after confession, in particular, want to spend as much time as possible with his love..............but he was very calm……coz he appreciate her reason……

But this time he got hyper, ya true worst circumestances helped in making him like that, and couldn't accept her distance.................why this time his reaction is different......?!!

I think her envolvement in a WORK that what, unconciously, is making him acting like that.............coz it felt for him like time is repeating itself..................the first time was his Dad and now is Gunji..............

There is no parent who doesn't love his child...............and Mr Shergil is like that............but it seems that his periority in life was WORK.............and his efforts to impose his IDENTITY via collecting as much money as he can..............and in this process, his work pulled him away from his son slowly.....slowly.....

Guys………….didn't you notice that Sam is the least one among our 4 leads who pays attention to future work and career…?!!!………..Actually he's the only one who is not interested at all……….

Is it because he is rich…?!!.............maybe as one of reasons but sure not the only……..!!

Coz anyone would have a dream of career………even rich people…….especially he loves to have others attention……he could spoke to others about his dreams of being famous as BB player, guitarist, or even artist……….but that never happen……….Why….?!!

I guess due to his fears of WORK commitment………he loves BB, music…………but never want to be committed to them as careers……….

See, when you don't have good enough parents……..you, mostly, either become like them not good enough in your life and following their perspective of life …………or you try your best to avoid being like them and create your own perspective of life………..Sam chose the second choice……….he suffered from being lonely and lack of strong relations, communication, understanding, emotions………..all due to his dad's periority of work over him………

So this built like a hate of WORK and it's commitment inside him…….and for him, the priority is for relations and communication over the work……..he was imposing this idea in his head……..coz he doesn't want to end up like his dad and make his loved ones suffer……….That's why Sam is the best in MJHT when it comes to communication, showing emotions and protecting relations…….(as per my pov)…….and that's why he doesn't want to be involved or even think about work……coz he fears that work will pull him slowly to become like his father at the end………..

Work is his very serious phobia in addition to marriage.....

And now, time is repeating itself, with Gunji being in his dad's place…………ya, he encouraged her to this thing………..coz he knows his chashmash and fully trust her love………and thought that work can't pull her away coz he see her different from his dad………but his fears of work a raised again……….why..?!!

Coz he noticed a change in Gunji's behavior………..she's not understanding him ENOUGH the way she used to……..she is not listening to him the way she used to……….that work is pulling her away…..slowly……..slowly…………..just like his dad……..and it's not a change in quantity that made him think that…….the change in quality is what brought his old fears once again…….

After their hug in canteen, they never had a REAL communication/conversation between them……..though important incidents happened………(reporter, locked in store)………..She though that she understand him and no need for spending sometime to have a talk………..only nice letter can make everything fine…………….and here is her fault…………

She underestimated his issues.....

Actually, she couldn't understand him completely……….100%..........for a normal person with no issues in his life……...still there are sometimes when he needs someone to hear him……..even if the other can do nothing for him……..coz he just want to make his problems/fears out………he is not looking for solution or action……….he only wants someone to listen……..someone to understand………

This was the case of Sam at that time……….but Gunji failed to get it…….and her lovely words couldn't make it completely……

See, Sam knows that his Dad (and Mum) loves him.................otherwise, he won't tell Gunji that he miss his parents.............sure there were times, which are rare, when Mr Shergil did say I love you to his son..........but we all know that words only are not enough.........and they may lose their meanings if were not followed and ensured by actions...........

And that's why Gunji's beautiful wards didn't work………coz at that time, in particular, he needed actions…….coz his previous experience with "words not followed by actions" was not good……..specially when work is involved……..he needed her to show him, more than tell him, that she is with him……..and work will not pull her away from him……..like what happened with his dad………

She could show him by have conversation with him……….communicate…….he needed this thing that was missed in his dad's case…….thus he can ensure she wont end up like his dad…………but she just sent him a letter………do you know what's the feeling when a person you love who resides just 1klm far from you prefer to send you a letter that meeting you and see your face….

She told him via letter to look for his identity………don't you think, guys, he may had a similar situation before……..don't you think his dad whenever he wanted to encourage Sam to study he used to send a servant to tell Sam that..!!.......instead of telling him himself he used message……and so did Gunji……

I know they are mad in each other………..that's why I said their goals/intentions are correct but their actions and how they try to achieve their goals were wrong……..

As for his anger………….I think this is expected……..when he acted like that not because his character is less than Gunji's, Mayu's……or because he is immature……no…!!.............

The circumstances made him be like that when his fears comes to him………….he feels to show anger that others can notice his issues……….that's how he was grown in a divorced home………

I remember reading a statistic about the effects of divorce……….it stated that most children from divorced parents becomes violent in varying degrees……..and thanks to cvs that they could implement real issues in a very good way……..

The immature guys, act in a manner that they believe it is correct and can't realize they are wrong by themselves…….they need outside force to make them realize that……..Sam realized his action was wrong by himself …..(bath scene, car scene)……….but he get angry again not because he thought this the correct thing to do……….he did that unintentionally……because the way he was grown will definitely has it's impact on him……..

I can understand that coz I'm somehow like him…….I get angry quickly……I always hated that thing in me and tried my best to change it coz whenever I get angry I may do something stupid…….now I'm not getting angry as much as I used to……but still there are times when I show my anger…….It happens to me even though I realize, as a matured person, it shouldn't…….

He is not bad……….he is not immature……..the environment he came from, unconsciously, plant some fears, thoughts, acts, reacts that he would need time and understanding……..actually a lot of time and understanding to get rid of them…….he has some psychological issues but he's not bad……..he is emotional but he's not immature……

For me, I always considered him as a patient who suffers from some problems caused by his family……and Gunji is his cure and doctor………..and that's why I'm seeing some fault in her side……coz when a patient still suffer, you won't go to that patient instead you'll question the doctor……..why couldn't you cure him and did you did your best to cure him..........but if patient get cured, we appreciate the doctor effort......did you get what I meant?!!

She was lucky enough to have a good example of life balance through her father……..and that's why I'm expecting a lot from her side……

I know ver long essay.......but I couldn't make it shorter..........I hope I did make sense.....

i completely agree wid u👏

Originally posted by: yasri

I liked your post.............but I don't completely agree with what you state.........

and here I'm posting my pov.........

First of all, Both Gunji and Sam are right in terms of intentions and goals..................but Sam is at fault in terms of actions and how to reach his goal...............and so is Gunji........

In terms of goals we all know how much they love each other and how they always work for the other's happiness............

But the actions this time were not correct from both sides................

Sam is not fearing that GUNJI will be away from him..............as much as he fears that WORK will pull her away from him slowly.......slowly.....

Do you remember Morena...!!

there could be their first seperation after being lovers.................He neither get hyper nor acted in wrong way.............he just accepted her decision of staying and was ready to only have her promises...........though a person after confession, in particular, want to spend as much time as possible with his love..............but he was very calm''coz he appreciate her reason''

But this time he got hyper, ya true worst circumestances helped in making him like that, and couldn't accept her distance.................why this time his reaction is different......?!!

I think her envolvement in a WORK that what, unconciously, is making him acting like that.............coz it felt for him like time is repeating itself..................the first time was his Dad and now is Gunji..............

There is no parent who doesn't love his child...............and Mr Shergil is like that............but it seems that his periority in life was WORK.............and his efforts to impose his IDENTITY via collecting as much money as he can..............and in this process, his work pulled him away from his son slowly.....slowly.....

Guys''''.didn't you notice that Sam is the least one among our 4 leads who pays attention to future work and career'?!!!'''..Actually he's the only one who is not interested at all'''.

Is it because he is rich'?!!.............maybe as one of reasons but sure not the only''..!!

Coz anyone would have a dream of career'''even rich people''.especially he loves to have others attention''he could spoke to others about his dreams of being famous as BB player, guitarist, or even artist'''.but that never happen'''.Why'.?!!

I guess due to his fears of WORK commitment'''he loves BB, music''''but never want to be committed to them as careers'''.

See, when you don't have good enough parents''..you, mostly, either become like them not good enough in your life and following their perspective of life ''''or you try your best to avoid being like them and create your own perspective of life'''..Sam chose the second choice'''.he suffered from being lonely and lack of strong relations, communication, understanding, emotions'''..all due to his dad's periority of work over him'''

So this built like a hate of WORK and it's commitment inside him''.and for him, the priority is for relations and communication over the work''..he was imposing this idea in his head''..coz he doesn't want to end up like his dad and make his loved ones suffer'''.That's why Sam is the best in MJHT when it comes to communication, showing emotions and protecting relations''.(as per my pov)''.and that's why he doesn't want to be involved or even think about work''coz he fears that work will pull him slowly to become like his father at the end'''..

Work is his very serious phobia in addition to marriage.....

And now, time is repeating itself, with Gunji being in his dad's place''''ya, he encouraged her to this thing'''..coz he knows his chashmash and fully trust her love'''and thought that work can't pull her away coz he see her different from his dad'''but his fears of work a raised again'''.why..?!!

Coz he noticed a change in Gunji's behavior'''..she's not understanding him ENOUGH the way she used to''..she is not listening to him the way she used to'''.that work is pulling her away'..slowly''..slowly''''..just like his dad''..and it's not a change in quantity that made him think that''.the change in quality is what brought his old fears once again''.

After their hug in canteen, they never had a REAL communication/conversation between them''..though important incidents happened'''(reporter, locked in store)'''..She though that she understand him and no need for spending sometime to have a talk'''..only nice letter can make everything fine'''''.and here is her fault''''

She underestimated his issues.....

Actually, she couldn't understand him completely'''.100%..........for a normal person with no issues in his life''...still there are sometimes when he needs someone to hear him''..even if the other can do nothing for him''..coz he just want to make his problems/fears out'''he is not looking for solution or action'''.he only wants someone to listen''..someone to understand'''

This was the case of Sam at that time'''.but Gunji failed to get it''.and her lovely words couldn't make it completely''

See, Sam knows that his Dad (and Mum) loves him.................otherwise, he won't tell Gunji that he miss his parents.............sure there were times, which are rare, when Mr Shergil did say I love you to his son..........but we all know that words only are not enough.........and they may lose their meanings if were not followed and ensured by actions...........

And that's why Gunji's beautiful wards didn't work'''coz at that time, in particular, he needed actions''.coz his previous experience with "words not followed by actions" was not good''..specially when work is involved''..he needed her to show him, more than tell him, that she is with him''..and work will not pull her away from him''..like what happened with his dad'''

She could show him by have conversation with him'''.communicate''.he needed this thing that was missed in his dad's case''.thus he can ensure she wont end up like his dad''''but she just sent him a letter'''do you know what's the feeling when a person you love who resides just 1klm far from you prefer to send you a letter that meeting you and see your face'.

She told him via letter to look for his identity'''don't you think, guys, he may had a similar situation before''..don't you think his dad whenever he wanted to encourage Sam to study he used to send a servant to tell Sam that..!!.......instead of telling him himself he used message''and so did Gunji''

I know they are mad in each other'''..that's why I said their goals/intentions are correct but their actions and how they try to achieve their goals were wrong''..

As for his anger''''.I think this is expected''..when he acted like that not because his character is less than Gunji's, Mayu's''or because he is immature''no'!!.............

The circumstances made him be like that when his fears comes to him''''.he feels to show anger that others can notice his issues'''.that's how he was grown in a divorced home'''

I remember reading a statistic about the effects of divorce'''.it stated that most children from divorced parents becomes violent in varying degrees''..and thanks to cvs that they could implement real issues in a very good way''..

The immature guys, act in a manner that they believe it is correct and can't realize they are wrong by themselves''.they need outside force to make them realize that''..Sam realized his action was wrong by himself '..(bath scene, car scene)'''.but he get angry again not because he thought this the correct thing to do'''.he did that unintentionally''because the way he was grown will definitely has it's impact on him''..

I can understand that coz I'm somehow like him''.I get angry quickly''I always hated that thing in me and tried my best to change it coz whenever I get angry I may do something stupid''.now I'm not getting angry as much as I used to''but still there are times when I show my anger''.It happens to me even though I realize, as a matured person, it shouldn't''.

He is not bad'''.he is not immature''..the environment he came from, unconsciously, plant some fears, thoughts, acts, reacts that he would need time and understanding''..actually a lot of time and understanding to get rid of them''.he has some psychological issues but he's not bad''..he is emotional but he's not immature''

For me, I always considered him as a patient who suffers from some problems caused by his family''and Gunji is his cure and doctor'''..and that's why I'm seeing some fault in her side''coz when a patient still suffer, you won't go to that patient instead you'll question the doctor''..why couldn't you cure him and did you did your best to cure him..........but if patient get cured, we appreciate the doctor effort......did you get what I meant?!!

She was lucky enough to have a good example of life balance through her father''..and that's why I'm expecting a lot from her side''

I know ver long essay.......but I couldn't make it shorter..........I hope I did make sense.....

well said yasri!!👏👏👏....cant agree with you more!!