Girish : Hateful or Normal

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Posted: 15 years ago
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I have been reading forum members blasting Girish a lot nowdays . So i thought of initiating a discussion on this interesting character and seeing why he is hated so much . . 1] Girish is a very suave businessman :
The biggest description of Girish is he is an unemotional , suave businessman . He knows how to talk sweetly and get what HE wants . Example for this ? His talk with Archana where he told her to get out of his daughter's life .
. Now before calling Girish a 'suave' businessman .......let us examine the country ......India , upon which this serial is based . It is a country where even today 75% of the marraiges done are arranged marraiges . Marraiges are literally thrashed across tables like BUSINESS DEALS . How much is your boy earning , can my daughter live comfortably , So much gold will be given , this and that . We find these marraiges, surviving and even turning out quite happy in the long run . Children are taught to rely on the experiences of elders and NOT question their experience . Put on any channel ..........we see serials with arranged marraiges replete . R all Indian fathers and mothers 'businessmen' then for keeping emotions out of the picture and haggling so that their daughter gets a good deal ? For the boy's party definetely looks out for themselves by Indian standards . The Archana Manav marraige was an arranged marraige inspite of the love element . But even the Shravni manav marraige was an arranged marraige of sorts ONLY . There was no love element there . It was a deal between Girish and Manav . Was Girish in it for his emotions ? Was Manav in it for his emotions ? Was Shravni in it [ back then] for her emotions ? The answer is NO . Girish was in it to find a solution for HIS wilful daughter , Manav was in it for saving Shravnis honor , atoning for Sachins mistake , making his mum happy by keeping Sachins baby in the family and Shravni was in it so she cud have her baby . All the personal reasons were anything but 'LOVE" and this solution satisfied them perfectly .
So why shud Girish suddenly have feelings of "love' in his heart and 'understand 'Archu manav's love NOW ? He stepped into it only when he was convinced that Archna was divorcing Manav . He dID not offer a deal to Manav when the aRchu Manv marraige was intact . Then suddenly Archna came back .......even manav was zapped and told in court he WANTS the divorce . His priorities had changed .Yes , and to this point they REMAIN CHANGED . The Baby was placed above Archana and it was agreed upon by the trio .........Manav , Shravni and Girish , that Archna wud be regarded as a mere formality , NOT as a real return in their LIVES . It was explained to Archna that THINGS HAVE CHANGED . We see Manav , Girish and Shravni sticking to this arrangement even today . They are not budging from their stand as a baby is involved and was allowed to grow due to this arrangement only . Can all the 3 back out NOW ?
Will Manav be ok if Girish takes Shravni and baby and goes to the US ?
Will he be 'happy 'with Archna or think of what he deprived his mum of......Sachins nishaani ?
Will Archana be happy that Sachins baby is not part of family but she is ?
Think deeply about these 3 questions . The answer to all 3 is again , in my opinion , NO . Much as u guys desire it ........Manav Archu can now , never be happy if Shravni goes away with the baby . No one will be happy , not even the Deshmukhs . The baby has become an integral part of their lives and they want it .Somehow , somewhere , Archana took a backseat .
Then what is solution to these 3 questions ? That Archu Manav shud get baby and Shravni shud be banished to the US . Very convenient but also very CRUEL . No baby shud be seperated from its mother , whatever she is . We see Manju getting that benefit when she leaves her sasural and flounces off to her maayka with PUNNI . The Karanjkars constantly advocate and support Punni living with Manju as she is the mother . So u guys see , taking baby away from Shravni is not done . Archu Manav wud not like to begin a married life with a curse of mother on their head .
Girish did NOT speak like a business man to Archana is my opinion ..........as he had no idea he wud bump into Archana when he was leaving the house . Business talks r pre planned ., thought out . We see the scene where they both bump into each other inadvertently , exchange pleasantries , and as an afterthought , Girish hesitatingly decides to speak on the issue and tell Archu to butt out . If u guys go a step further and try to think objectively ........Archu IS INDEED BUTTING IN A LOT NOWDAYS . We see a human side of this 'businessman' when his eyes soften and he tells Archu Look Im sorry this happened to u , but Im helpless .I gotta look out for my daughter and her baby and you are NOT helping by continuing to live here and stun everyone with your 'NICENESS" . { iT only keeps memories of first marraige alive ] Perfectly reasonable , in my opinion .
The business man tag is as he spoke sweetly and advocated WHAT HE WANTED . But guys I wish to point out to u that Archu does same thing ALL the time . She speaks very sweetly to Shravni and constantly tells her .......no paper can seperate me and Manav ,I AM HIS WIFE and I will always REMAIN spiritually his wife . Shravni then stares open mouthed at her . It is a way of bending to touch feet but actually pulling away the rug from that person's feet . So why so hard on Girish ? We see the Karanjkars talking politely to Manav [ with joined hands btw] on Varsha's engagement day and saying " Forgive us , but U guys gotta leave ' as they wanted to welcome AJIT so that they cud please Satish's wealthy mom . So r Archus parents businessmen too ? And is Archu a lovesick businesswoman too ? Saying verbally I support this second marraige but actually all the time focussing on her agenda of making a place for HERSELF in the family , uncaring if the second wife may be comfortable with it or not ?😊
2] Girish 'BAITED: Manav .............Did he ? As I recall the scene , He was seated , worried , in his flat and Manav went there of his own accord and brought the topic up , advising him to let Shravi go ahead with the pregnancy .We see Girish furious , telling Manav please to STOP advising him thus ..........as he knows that if his foolish daughter did that , what society wud do to her and him too . In a fit of anger and frustration he asks Manav ......Will u marry her , ha ? He throws this question in a fit of emotional outburst . It is hardly a businessman's pre planned bait . That Ok , Ill lead him in a conversation , and then get him to marry my daughter . Besides u guys are not being fair here ..........coz we see Manav jumping at this not so unwillingly .Manav welcomed this suggestion and at that instant cut Archu out from his life forever . Is Manav so stupid to be Baited thus ? I think not . He is not a child and his priorities r very clear ..............his family over Archna . Neither did Girish BAIT manav , nor was Manav stupid enough to be BAITED .......He took the decision after weighing the circumstances .
3] Girish regards Shravani as a burden and this is a wrong social message :
Look at all the parents in this serial .........they want their children married off ASAP . Off their hands . Sulochna wants this ..........so much , that even before Archus divorce was finalized , she was already planning to get Archu married to another guy ........Satish . She DID NOT WANT ARCHU"S RESPONSIBILITY EVEN FOR A YEAR AFTER HER DIVORCE BUT WANTED HER TO GET OUT OF THE HOUSE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE . Varsha was forced into marraige although she repeatedly told Im not ready for it yet .Result ? Satish is sleeping on sofa . Savita was constantly phoning people to get Vandu OFF her hands after the rape attempt instead of sympathizing with her or giving her any kind of support as if she was a BURDEN .
Whats more , inspite of knowing about Vandus daily marital rape , SAVITA allows her to remain there as ultimately it is in their best interest that the marraige survives for society's sake .
In these cases the daughters were VIRGINS . At least Shravni is an unwed mom.........a greater worry ! What is more understandable .........these parents wanting their daughters married off or Girish wanting his daughter married off ?😊 Whose worry shud be greater if Indian society is indeed this closeminded as shown in serials ? If at all u guys want to talk about the social message , say that ALL INDIAN PARENTS PORTRAYED IN THIS SERIAL GIVE A BAD SOCIAL MESSAGE .........WHY blame GIRISH Shravnis relationship ? I really do not see the logic here .
BTW I can point out a number of far more serious social messages this serial gives and which no one seems to mind so much .........
a ] Enduring horrific abuse is okay , focus on winning HEARTS of sasuraal [ Archna]
b ] Enduring marital rape is just a part of life.... once u step in matrimony u gotta make it work [ Vandu]
c] Go on paying atrocious dowry demands without a murmur [ Sulochna pays Savita and Deshmukhs pay Rasika]
d] Girls shud sit , stand , visit maayka , or even pee only with permission from sasural and have NO individuality of their own [ Archana , Vandu and Varsha]
e] Instead of being upfront about financial status , one must beg borrow and steal but spend a lot on celebrating functions [ Karanjkars and now Manav selling his bike]
I cud go on but I must stop here . Compared to these horrific social messages , a father accepting a solution for his unwed pregnant daughter sounds much more human to me coz even money CANNOT buy social status and husbands very quickly in close minded societies in India . At least this is my opinion .Yes , They cud have shown Shravni going to US with girish but creatives needd her here for further story tracks . If at all .........Girish has supported Shravni more than any Dads in this serial have done ...........Manohar is literally a useless dad who DOES NOTHING and Damodar is so wrapped up in getting his bahu back that he is INDIFFERENT to Vandu's fate .I suppose that makes them good dads huh ? And since Girish is so involved in looking out for his daughter , he is a bad Dad . What a paradox .
His richness cannot be held against him .It is no rule that being Rich is being Bad as stupidly shown in these serials .Why shudnt he be rich ? He seems very well mannered inspite of being rich......see how Rasika and Ajit behave . And why shud he be self effacing just coz he is a girlls dad ? that too doesnt make sense to me .
If Archana has lost track of reality , is in denial , she needs parents like Girish who shud have been more involved in her and dragged her home instead of letting her live this undignified life , going around inviting people for Shravnis God Bharai . But Manohar and Sulochna R hardly involved . Manohar stares wimpily and blankly at every mess going on , and Sulochna is too wrapped up in Varshas new marraige and hardly bothers about Archu .Now I wud call THAT a wrong social message as involvement of parents DOES NOT END after a girls marraige . They have to be aware , and shud NEVER cease knocking sense in a girl's head if she is being wrong .
The next track will be Manavs unhappy marraige with Shravni and Shravni being as unlike as Archna in every aspect .........in her thoughts about Manavs development , wealth , status , everything . I welcome it as I want Manav and savita both to dwell on their mistake of breaking this marraige . The BIGGEST WRONG SOCIAL MESSAGE THIS SERIAL GAVE WAS BREAKING A SACRED PROMISE TO KEEP A MAN"S WORD GIVEN MUCH LATER as rightfully said by HOPE , our forum member . And Keeping that in mind , I welcome Shravni turning the vampish spoilt wife in the next track .
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Posted: 15 years ago
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👏👏👏👏 Awesome post Kools as usual...You did not have to convince me...I love reading your posts which gives me a picture of what is going on as we are 2-3 days behind in US....Appreciate the time and thoughts went into such a well thought out and put together logical post....👏👏👏
Can't wait to watch this episode ...😃
Edited by Dabulls23 - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
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KS, bang on target again!!

My thoughts:

Girish is the kind of Dad most kids have - the kind who really watches out for their kid's interest always. The scenario is that Archana and Manav do *not* want to stay married. They keep promising to everyone that - its a different matter that they really do love each other but just not enough. Manav, Savita and even Archana have repeatedly claimed that Manav and Shravani should be together for life..so where is Girish the villain? For holding them to their word?

I think Vilification of Girish and even Shravani is very convenient. It gives everyone a reason to focus on someone else but the leads. The fact is the protagonist of this drama, Manav is a very very weak one. He cannot decide for himself and wants to please people all the time. He is a good man who wants to be good to everyone, now if you are part of his 'goodness' agenda you benefit - like Varsha but if you are not part of that, you suffer,like Archana.

While I agree with you about what Girish is doing not being wrong, where I disagree with both Girish and Shravani is their lack of empathy toward Archana. There is not a single thought spared for the woman who is ceremoniously being thrown out to make place for Shravani. Neither of them actually are apologetic..it just shows a sociapthic tendency which is very difficult to understand. Archana is offering to be gone, the least she deserves is dignity and respect and some compassion. I would have liked for Girish to explain to his daughter to be decent to Archana and thanked Archana for her sacrifice.

However, all this lack of sympathy and self serving attitude of these two is there for a reason - the deification of both Archana and Manav. Archana would not be everyone's favorite if she was just nice to the good people, it is the fact that she is so nice to the indecent people that makes her the public's sweetheart. To make her good, everyone around her has to be bad , same with Manav.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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I believe he his right, the only daughter and being conservative is no harm....
Any father in his position would have done the same!
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Posted: 15 years ago
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As I see it ...........Shravni is the one rude to Archna ...........Girish talked respectfully to her .Also it must be kept in mind that the way Shravni behaves with Archna is nOT in front of Girish . It is behind his back , so we have no way of knowing how he wud really react to see his daughter's rudeness . Savita has witnessed it and has intervened , But Girish 's entry ........a crying daughter falling in his arms from stairs and now yesterday ...hardly gives us reason to suppose that he encourages Shravni to be rude to Archna .That full thing is actually Shravnis own doing , actually Savitas own doing as she egged her on to be as mean as possible to Archna when Shravni was in reality not minding Archnas presence that much .
Also , Archna will go on losing respect if she continues to stick like a leech there .......there will come a day when Girish wont be so respectful even in his talks . Why does she want to invite this ? She shud leave by gathering whatever dignity she has and start afresh .Her own husband is not in her hands , so why blame others ?
Leave Manav and The Deshmukhs to their own fate . Nice man he may be but Manav has been terribly adamant about marrying Shravni and keeping the baby in the family . So be it , let him get his fate . If Archus goodness and fate did not create empathy in him enough to change his decision and find another solution to this mess , why expect from others .Within the close minded society depicted there , as I see it , Girish cannot afford at this stage to show empathy to Archana .Am not justfying him , dont get me wrong .....I am stating facts as I see them .
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Kool, I respect ur views but like I said, the type of person i am, i cannot see any good in him or his daughter... Only God can prove me wrong..serious. not even the characters...Hope's post needs no other reasoning for me.
a ] Enduring horrific abuse is okay , focus on winning HEARTS of sasuraal [ Archna]
b ] Enduring marital rape is just a part of life.... once u step in matrimony u gotta make it work [ Vandu]
c] Go on paying atrocious dowry demands without a murmur [ Sulochna pays Savita and Deshmukhs pay Rasika]
d] Girls shud sit , stand , visit maayka , or even pee only with permission from sasural and have NO individuality of their own [ Archana , Vandu and Varsha]
e] Instead of being upfront about financial status , one must beg borrow and steal but spend a lot on celebrating functions [ Karanjkars and now Manav selling his bike]
This will be my only response...I totally agree with the above... and say that no one in PR land should go to or listen to archana cause it seems in Pr only bad and indecent conduct is rewarded...shravani and ajit to be specific.
So here goes..this is my deseperate plea:
Vandu and varsha...silly billy and scaredy cat...take advice from shravani..ask her the secret how to get a guy..y go to archu????..she has no credentials in the field of love sex, marriage and betrayal...all she knows is to do good...do chores..be abused, sleep on floors or outside house, scrub floors, cook, be accused of extramarital affair, be called a W**** (i did not even know that..news to me) labor honestly and love purely..but in PR doing that is not guarantee in getting a guy as archu knows..right now she is watching her hubby being sold to the highest bidder....Shravani did opposite and gets what she wants...👏, be called a princess, impure, sits at home all day doing nothing constructive.
Manav..pleaseeeeeeee chase archu more....dont listen to anything she has to say..tell her it is over....period...y she keeps telling u to rest eventhough u sick?? ...she has a nerve..just too nosey now, she begging for money to fix garage probs!!!....crazy gal, u getting married to rich gal whose daddy will gave u big garage....u dont have to work, do u??? ..so u will get all the rest and care then..
Damodar...pleaseeeeeeeeee dont listen to archu when she says to stop drinking..drink ur life away..who cares......
Vaishu oh pleaseeeeeeee...come on, dont even go near archu...bad bad example...u just look at shravani and take a page from her book...and u will have a wonderful life..for real..it might not be happy ..but wonderful..everyone will admire u....even if u get preggy before marriage..i think they would cherish u more....
Manju...begging u with tears in my eyes.....take Punni and go live in ur new flat...dont let her be within 10 yds of archu....no good..bad example..
So all u guys in PR land...stoppppppppppppppppp, i beg u stoppppppppp going to archana for advice..she is bad example to young ppl..remember she is not educated, she never traveled., she was never exposed....so what she knows..nothingggggggggggggg...only to love honestly and purely...and we know one cant live on love alone....ask shravani...
PR needs peace and harmony...so guys look to girsihji, shravani and ajit....I will
Archana is the biggest troublemaker and most shameless woman i have ever seen or read about..
Archu fans, I dont mind the blasting but i hope girishji and shravani fans would appreciate my flip flop...
Thank u..exhausted...
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Kool,you have explained Girishji so well.👏
In reality,I have seen such fathers...but its that I dont like them .
I dont think any father in his position would behave as such....fathers like Manohar too exist and they wont behave this way.
PR has sent out so many wrong social messages that I have lost count of them.😡
Edited by gaurimisha - 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

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As I see it ...........Shravni is the one rude to Archna ...........Girish talked respectfully to her .Also it must be kept in mind that the way Shravni behaves with Archna is nOT in front of Girish . It is behind his back , so we have no way of knowing how he wud really react to see his daughter's rudeness . Savita has witnessed it and has intervened , But Girish 's entry ........a crying daughter falling in his arms from stairs and now yesterday ...hardly gives us reason to suppose that he encourages Shravni to be rude to Archna .That full thing is actually Shravnis own doing , actually Savitas own doing as she egged her on to be as mean as possible to Archna when Shravni was in reality not minding Archnas presence that much .
Also , Archna will go on losing respect if she continues to stick like a leech there .......there will come a day when Girish wont be so respectful even in his talks . Why does she want to invite this ? She shud leave by gathering whatever dignity she has and start afresh .Her own husband is not in her hands , so why blame others ?
Leave Manav and The Deshmukhs to their own fate . Nice man he may be but Manav has been terribly adamant about marrying Shravni and keeping the baby in the family . So be it , let him get his fate . If Archus goodness and fate did not create empathy in him enough to change his decision and find another solution to this mess , why expect from others .Within the close minded society depicted there , as I see it , Girish cannot afford at this stage to show empathy to Archana .Am not justfying him , dont get me wrong .....I am stating facts as I see them .



KS, I am referring to the convo b/n Shravani and Girish yesterday when Shravani said something about how Archana scared her etc..the least Girish could have said was, it is natural for them to want her to stay on - they are more used to her etc., but please be patient and decent. I think Shravani is treating Manav as her toy - typical spoilt brat and wants it no matter what. Her behavior in the context of no decent instruction from her father would only go to prove this is how he raised her. All of us who are parents will agree that no matter what your child asks, you will be tempted to get them that but you are always trying to instill good behavior and good means to them.

As for Archana, she really is going all out to be everywhere in Manav's house. I think subconsiously, the woman in her wants to leave an indelible mark in his life. Archana has been a pleaser since birth along with being a good hearted person, she knows no other way to live than serve everyone else around her. Its in her dna. I think she is really putting herself out there because deep down she knows Manav and his family really dont mind. However, Shravani does and since Shravani is their future, she should respect her wishes and keep away.

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Posted: 15 years ago
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i want to discuss his character in few words as i'm not able to write so muchthe fact is he's so much a good father that he 's also accepting snatching someone else hubby for his daughter.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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If ArMan marriage was so strong & perfect none of us would be discussing anything...Not Shravani or Girish...

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