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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: aarthi.ramani

Awesome topic aahana..

Very true "Life imitates art far more than art imitates life." What more example then our SaJan... its so real and kudos to cv's for showing such a realistic , thought provoking track... aahana most of us can relate to it...

Gunjan like most girls who has always been under shadow of her family and loved ones... given the opportunity she is in search for own identity, by circumstances of Maya ... Today both Gunjan standing at that crossroads where she is trying find her worth not to prove to the world but herself. And hence now she is more of Gunjan than Samrat chashmish..

Samrat is right in his own way as he did try to clam and act maturely as to talk to her and clear all things and get back his chashmish... he was right when he said that the best solution to the problems is communication between them because he realized that miscommunication and unexpressed feelings are disintegrating their relationship..

In today's world however a guys are open-minded deep inside their heart they always want that reassurance.. As of samart he wants all attention and reassurance for his insecurities which creeps from his past... he is not against her self-realization, he against the circumstances, the circumstance which makes him vulnerable to its insecurities....

With the circumstance not allowing him to meet her, again it's not his ego which is reflected in outburst, its self respect that's been questioned that irks him...

Now it's how they move from this Crossroads where they have to face their own insecurities all alone..

MJHT has always given positive message and again for me this track has to show the youth , that you can achieve a balance and manage both your professional and personal lives together ... at the end it's all about compatibility, compromises as sustaining the relationship... I want them to show this without the breakup showing that with a little freedom, a little bonding- a little compromise, a lot of communication, a lot of trust and understanding as a key to achieving balance in their of relationship ' committed or married....


I agree with you aarthi that they need to make effort to make the relationship survive...
But at the moment Gunjan is not sensitive to Samrat's issues..she did not support him or talk to him on both the occasions..Sajan's USP was their communication which is somehow getting lost...
Samrat yesterday was making an effort ..don't see that effort from gunjan..
I also don't want her to leave the film..but by just try communicating with Samrat.because else on an unequal footing this relationship cannot survive
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Posted: 15 years ago
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hey guys thx a ton 4 all ur replies Diya, Aarthi, Yasri, Swati, Myvoice everyone of u 😊

well i would love to ans each one of u individually yet somehow my thoughts cant be expressed in so many words at the risk of sounding diff every time so am making this as a common replies as i am looking at the current scenario


for Gunjan :


Gunjan up until now was always a very protected and sheltered girl - she was bacchi in her house as nups used to call her fondly at times and to Samrat she became his chashmish, in both the places she always had a very protected life and yes 2 very popular individuals under whose shadows she lived

yet despite that to me she was always more mentally stronger than the two hence even when both of them combined tried to make her forgive Samrat after the bet issue post the new year ball she didnt budge - she did so only after she felt Samrat has proved himself as a true friend - 1 error by him doesnt make him wrong as a person and so they became friends again on v-day

next she slowly fell in love with Sam - but was heartbroken as he didnt return those feelings , however time ensured he learned her worth and his feelings and so they united too - however now the battle lines where drawn where the world questioned her worth - when ppl said she isnt good enough for him

rem the cafe scene she had with Diya & Suhani - she says he can get any gal as Samrat has always had a way 2 charm girls but she - there is nothing special in a bespectacled girl like her , why will anyone wanna be her BF and love her ?

today i think not only is she getting an answer to that ques for herself but also for Samrat - yes he who made her fly and said dare to live ur dream chashmish I am with u - pls live 4 urself 4 d 1st time as u always did what was best 4 all but not fr urself

i think in the course of doing this movie she wants to make a mark 4 herself no matter how huge or small to prove her space in this world and also to let ppl know that she has an identity of her own and while at it she'd wanna make sure Samrat is proud of her too - as after the audition - he said so with a smile to her - i'd thank ppl 4 u once i see u on a banner somewhere - so she wants to make sure ppl dont ridicule Samrat too anymore and feel they make a good pair

and also since in the way her character has always been now that she has committed to her word she will not step back from the movie but now in the process of finding Gunjan she is not able to spend time with Samrat anymore and hence he feels his chashmish is moving away from him - and so the words he used last night - MAIN GUNJAN SE APNI CHASHMISH WAPAS MAANG LOONGA

he isnt asking her 2 quit .. he just wants to hold on to what he feels he is losing slowly in the way of this movie - his chashmish 😳
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Posted: 15 years ago
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for samrat ;

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Edited ;

all right coming to the issue of Sammy..

the fact apart that i am a SaJan fan ... I love the whole characterization of Samrat - to me he has always been the most layered and perhaps most versatile and interesting character MJHT cv's have managed to develop - as he has had so many shades and which makes him perhaps one of the most complex characters and yet so simple at the same time

Samrat has been always shown as a very popular guy no doubt .. the ace player of BB, the sports champ, a rock star in every count in his college girls dig him and guys well they share diff equations with him..but the fact is love him /hate him u cant ignore him

yet on his personal front the oppo is so true - 4 d guy whose name is cheered by so many ppl as he plays is deserted once in the realms of his own home - no one to talk to , to answer be bothered abt him.. nothing

he was living a life in a guise as he never wanted anyone to see the REAL HIM .. perhaps it was the fear of being ridiculed upon or merely his desire to not gain any sympathy as his self respect wouldnt allow it

but she .. she came along in his life and under all the pretenses he who had hid all along became visible to her ... so on new year' ball and later again during the play he let his guard down completely as he knew he had lost ... however he saw it rather as victory as finally someone had managed to know him

ppl may feel Samrat' issues are being exaggerated here 4 a dramatic effect yet 4 me tht so isnt d case - an abandoned child still lies in the heart of the man who today is again fearful .. afraid of losing the lone person he has managed to gain in his life.. fearing she'd walk away from him

he isnt having any ego hassles he isnt being a MCP here.. he just is looking 4 his chashmish again - the one who had time 4 him, who heard him out , who was there for him, for whom any and every gift of his was imp who was his

i rem once a scene i saw of SG during the play days.. Gunji was saying something abt Mayank as Samrat tells her he and Nupur look like a real couple and not as actors when they rehearse .. however when she says mayu' name twice . sam feels annoyed and tells her . Mujhe achha nahi lagta chashmish jab tum kissi aur ladke ka naam leti ho .. she asks him why ? and he says i dunno

today Samrat is again annoyed by Neil whose presence is making him jealous
but its a part of love to be possessive too

he may now be wavering between lots of things considering now he has not only the demons of a unhappy past haunting him but also the monsters of future where he feels every passing moment Gunjan is slipping away from him to battle

here again he was not being harsh last night but was made to be .. this isnt about samrat getting over his insecurities its more about how he deals with them .. and as a lonesome child who has no one to look upto as neither of his parents could provide a role model or act as a guide for him its gonna be even more difficult





Edited by aahana86 - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
#44
SaJan;

now coming to the couple

swati u said they shd split dear as u see no future for them ... as they are falling apart plus Gunjan will be successful and Sam isnt even sure of what to do in his life

sorry but i differ here

hon how many times will they fall in love again or how many ppl can they dump actually ?

any and every couple at some point faces issues in their life ... but splitting up is not the way out of it... not until matters have gone to the extremes of being beyond repairs

its easy 2 run but harder 2 stay on ... and then move forward from it .. i am not saying this only 4 Sg but 4 all couples.. u cant break-up so easily

and who is to say that this issue cant be solved ? it can be provided the time is given for it to be resolved.

and we dont know how successful this movie will be too ... so many new comers come and go by ... not everyone can be a success .. so nope not counting my chickens there b4 the eggs hatch 😉

next Sam ... yes he hasnt thought of a future .. but it doesnt mean he wont/ cant have 1 .. u do rem he is the sole heir to a fortune of millions .. so ya ultimately i see him handling the family business

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ok their solution;

i think 1st and foremost Gunjan just needs 2 see that sam today is doing exactly what she asked him 2 do on their first date.. come to her if he has any issues with her as his best friend

but probably taken a bit aback by his anger and possessive side.. which she never saw until now full fledged she doesnt rem her own words

next Sam i think .. just needs 2 get a hold on himself first .. i see its hard 4 him but bumpy roads are ahead if he cant regain his balance 4 sure

also i think the best way is 4 SaJan 2 spend some time with no intruders .. yes they can hug in public, look at each other with lovey dovey eyes and all .. but their talks will need a place and time where they are alone

things may find a way then

but it seems that will be a diff thing 2 manage as Gunjan now has an admirer in Neil who will make things worse

as we all know w/o knowing the couple from adam he made an opinion .. that Samrat is not good for Gunjan

but who is he to say those things ? a couple can handle their issues on their own but when a 3rd party interferes things get worse

and so they will ..he'd make this a choc-o- block situation for SaJan may be on purpose or may be not .. i dunno but heck he'd def add 2 the fireworks

the issue isnt here abt Gunjan having a career, or Sam not having one - where ppl are saying he' not liking being called the BF of the heroine and all Sam' ego is not the problem.. his jealousy and fear are

the problem the cv' are trying to depict is of time restrain in a fast paced world today and how can a couple face it .. cause ultimately as Gunjan' lines said .. time is the ultimate doer .. it can make or break up any and everything 😳
Edited by aahana86 - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
#45

Originally posted by: swati_mjht



That is the reason I do not see a future unless gunjan makes special effort which she is definitely not making...She is currently totally into her own thing
IF she wants their relationship to survive she has to help Samrat..
I have practically seen many relationship disintegrating because it is not possible for many women to be sensitive enough to help their partners



I just wanted to reply to this one point of yours, Swati ... @bold

I have an opposite view ... I have seen many women putting their careers on the back seat and even sacrificing them completely because their families come first ... and to me, that is not right either. A woman puts in as much effort and as much hard work in making a career for herself, and she is always the one expected to take a step back when it comes to choosing between work and family. As for women not being sensitive, it is often men who are not sensitive, or even just not appreciative enough of their partners ... for many men, their wives should concentrate on the home, and her career should be secondary because usually she is not the primary bread winner. And successful relationships are those where both partners give each other equal space and equal respect in terms of their career choices and personal commitments.

Gunjan is starting off a new career ... she owes it to herself and the people she is working with to give it her best shot and concentrate completely on her work while she is at work ... that is part of being a professional and a working person. Usually women are the ones to compromise, because most women cannot see their home life suffering for any length of time. Most women will try to work things out, unless their partners are completely insensitive, or unless they are very ambitious ... which in itself is not a bad thing to be.

This is the ardent feminist in me speaking!!! 😉


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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: DiyaS



I just wanted to reply to this one point of yours, Swati ... @bold

I have an opposite view ... I have seen many women putting their careers on the back seat and even sacrificing them completely because their families come first ... and to me, that is not right either. A woman puts in as much effort and as much hard work in making a career for herself, and she is always the one expected to take a step back when it comes to choosing between work and family. As for women not being sensitive, it is often men who are not sensitive, or even just not appreciative enough of their partners ... for many men, their wives should concentrate on the home, and her career should be secondary because usually she is not the primary bread winner. And successful relationships are those where both partners give each other equal space and equal respect in terms of their career choices and personal commitments.

Gunjan is starting off a new career ... she owes it to herself and the people she is working with to give it her best shot and concentrate completely on her work while she is at work ... that is part of being a professional and a working person. Usually women are the ones to compromise, because most women cannot see their home life suffering for any length of time. Most women will try to work things out, unless their partners are completely insensitive, or unless they are very ambitious ... which in itself is not a bad thing to be.

This is the ardent feminist in me speaking!!! 😉


diya agree with you ... women are more sensitive and always strive to create the balance ... most of the times its because of an insensitive partner that they are unable to create that balance... for any relationship there has to respect for each other's identity... its most of the time that they compromise on the career ..

i have known women who have been ambitious but have quit their well payed and job for their family... i have even know women who had their dreams of been housewife have gone out and worked for long hrs. Due the needs....

the same goes for Gunjan she is phase of identifying herself.. She wants to do prove herself that she is someone other than Samrat gf... which is how she is known the college which is her world right know.... now with the film there is new identity ... any one in her place would like to give 100% and its natural to expect the support from your loved ones ..

And that's what she is excepting. And when she see a exactly opposite reaction from Sam she is more determined to prove herself ... but as she handles that she will know that she has been ignoring the support she always laid back on to.. As Sam required to be shaken up from his dream of chashmish being with him forever thru Neil.. Similarly Gunjan will get her wakeup call during the course of the film when she will know that this film has actually taken her away from her loved ones... that's where she will balance the important thing her life... and compromise if necessary....

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Posted: 15 years ago
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@aarthi
I also feel gunjan should not sacrifice her career ..also she cannot devote as much time to Samrat..
I am only saying she should have explained things to Samrat properly about the apologizing part..
communication is really important..
After Samrat asked her to come with her, she should have gone and explained to him that career is important to her.
I am just saying that she need to take care of Samrat's feelings as well..

I am not a feminist..but I know I will never sacrifice my career unless I feel so..but I think being sensitive to people around you helps to smooth en life
guys are kids so sweet talking with them and explaining things normally works
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: swati_mjht

@aarthi
I also feel gunjan should not sacrifice her career ..also she cannot devote as much time to Samrat..
I am only saying she should have explained things to Samrat properly about the apologizing part..
communication is really important..
After Samrat asked her to come with her, she should have gone and explained to him that career is important to her.
I am just saying that she need to take care of Samrat's feelings as well..

I am not a feminist..but I know I will never sacrifice my career unless I feel so..but I think being sensitive to people around you helps to smooth en life
guys are kids so sweet talking with them and explaining things normally works

swati.. that is what i meant that communication.. at present she will not understand sammy pov because she is expecting too much support from him ... she has taken him for granted to some extent that he will understand her .. but thats not the case at times we have to explain things when the pov does not match .. that was what sammy was going to do , clearing the unexpressed feelings of his insecurities... they have always had that confidence that without even saying the other understands what the other feels... that has been their bases of their relationship understanding and communication ... now its circumstances where they are unable to explain each other what they feel because both have taken each other for granted in terms of communication and understanding .. now they have to build their relation in terms of communication in real terms of circumstances ... its that they have to explain things to each other for their each steps taken.... cnt agree more ---- as to guys are kids they need to be explained in smallest things.... 😆😆
hope i made some sense.....

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