Things I Noticed - 03/08/10 - Page 2

Originally posted by: naga_mani

no no no...sabar ka pal meetha hota hai😉...take ur own time...

but i felt dutta should not have killed those 2.(owner and the girl...still not sure about the girl😕) Just waiting to see Nakku's reaction...😉

Originally posted by: stranger in us

i am a bit confused after watching this episode , whether to appreciate the fact that dutta became a contract killer and started killing them without actually knowing them. i guess it would have been better if they had shown him killing wrong or bad people , here he doesnt know whether the victim is innocent or guilty. a robinhood kind of a gangster would have been more acceptable to me , like he is now , where he is not shown killing innocent people.

He's become who he has become after becoming as bad as he could. It had to get a lost before it got any better - if a guy who takes up "killing" people then he isn't in a stable enough state mentally to distinguish between killing "innocent" or "guilty" people. The fact that he killed people is unacceptable - but it's understandable. I did not expect him to filter out the guilty ones from the innocent ones. To him, it didn't matter. It shouldn't have. If he's that "messed up" to become a contract killer for money, what difference does it make WHO he kills? Not to him, at least, it makes no difference. To us, yes it provides a sort of recluse - that even though he killed people he didn't hurt anyone innocent. But for a guy who's going through such an intense emotional low that he's been convinced to kill people - for him, THAT is no saving grace in the matter, in fact it might even feel hypocritical to him (trying to find the lesser of two evils when BOTH of them are in fact evil to begin with).

also bajji showing him the criminal path cannot be digested easily may be he could have suggested him to try his luck in gambling or betting for making fast money.

Baji has been "nurtured" in a society with no parents (none that we know off), with no education and with an overload of violence and "crime". So I am not surprised that he was familiar with the don before Dutta was. And nor am I surprised that he took Dutta to the guy - to him this was normal, a way of life - HIS way of life. Gambling and betting both are a games of chance. You MIGHT win and you might not. But with the don, he WOULD get the money for sure, if he did his share. It was a lot more "secure" - and if Dutta wanted to make money soon, he wouldn't want to do it at the risk of losing what he already had through gambling. Gambling and betting are all good idea, but to make money in gambling you need money. And I don't think either Dutta or Baji had enough to go that way - plus Baji was already familiar with the underworld. Bad or good, you'd always choose what's familiar over what isn't.

but all said and done mishal as always portrayed the hurt and heart broken emotions so well👍🏼. also if u noticed every time he killed anyone the police would follow him as if they were not chasing him but were accompanying him😆 and that don looked so stupid.

how can i forget mishal looked like a raging lion when he walked in front of the light , its his these kind of scenes which make the entire episode worth watching , he alone can do wonders to a scene.

Originally posted by: -JC-

I must say that as eagerly as i wait for ur TIN.. i see that waiting a considerable time after the episode has aired does change your perspective about it... we can think more clearly and somewhat objectively away from the emotions of just having watched a scn.

I agree! Usually I am more clear headed in what I think the next day than I am the night I watch the episode. Yes, I think about the episode all night... *sigh* I know! I have no life. 😆

So in that manner i'd say i can better understand how Dutta entered the world of contract killing and became Dutta bhao. But i don't know if i can accept your explanation for Baaji's behavior. Though i am tempted to do so because i really want to like the character and under the premise that Baaji got Dutta into the world of killing, it wouldn't make sense that he didn't appreciate when Dutta got handed a second set of photographs for the job. Still there is a part of me that says that Baaji deeply regrets bringing Dutta into this line of work. Maybe Dutta would have found this route by himself, but then Baaji still would have been by his side no? I D K. I m not able to digest it whole but i'll let it go for the sake of Baaji today. :D

This sounds exactly like I did all of last night. I did NOT want Baji to be the "bad guy". I just didn't. But I didn't approve of what he'd done too and I couldn't come to terms with it no matter how hard I tried to explain it! And that's what I realized was wrong on my part. I had to stop finding reasons to "approve" of his behavior and start looking for reasons to "understand" it. And once I did that, it made sense. As I've said in my earlier posts, Baji has not been shown to have any parents (none that we know off). An orphan in a violent and criminal society with no education? Is it that hard to fathom why he'd get into the life of crime? I am sure Baji was a part of this "underworld" for a LONG LONG time before Dutta was - given how he didn't need his salary from the garage as ksh pointed out. But I do appreciate that he didn't impose his lifestyle on Dutta until Dutta ASKED him for help - and then he took him to the only place he knew of that would let Dutta make alot of money quick. And usually, I would assume that contract killings run highest as far as price go (since you're killing someone and all). Once Dutta decided to go to the underworld for money, I am sure Baji knew what he'd be expected to do - after all he'd been a part of it for a while. So when Dutta was offered the gun and the photograph I am not surprised at why Baji was smiling - probably because to him this was the first step towards getting the money Dutta wanted. To him, the killing didn't matter because he'd been around that world to long. Off course, to Dutta it did. I really think that Baji has just been exposed to the "elements" longer without any parental protection or education - he was doomed to go this way. And it's not just a fictional reasoning - isn't that what we see day in day out in every city? Poor people, living in the ghetto, with no education and no money and a lot of crime around them become immune to the criminal activity first and later take it up? I really am not surprised if I look for the reasons to understand his behavior - still don't approve of it, but I understand it.

Hope you guys have an awesome episode today and Nakku has some words of wisdom to offer Dutta. I'll be slogging away at work. see ya.

Lol! Not just you! Me too... *sigh* 😆

Originally posted by: yoyo2

hi Fvir JIJI. miss u all weekend yaar, and waited for ur post till late nite,,, i think we are tooo far away from each other (time difference)

I think so too! 😆 But I feel bad for making you wait because of my delay! 😳

Once again fantastic post👏 ... Iss Seema Saali do taake ki chori ne bhao ko kiya se kiya bana diya, and then baaji offcourse,, i don't know if his actions should be justified for introducing bhao to the world of gangsters. LEKIN LEKIN,,, ek aur baat bhi hai ke bhao has become a reformed killer, if u know what i'am saying, he only goes after kutte kaminey types😆(those that go after nakku) he deffinetly goes after them.....

Yeah, I like how he's become more "responsible" in his actions now (even though he's still a gangster). He used to kill without discrimination in the beginning - any one and everyone was fair game. It was like at that time his moral compass had taken a turn for the worse and it had to get a lot worst before it got better (as is usually the case). But I do like how he's more of a "robinhood gangster" as stranger in us put it.

see ya later JIJI

Originally posted by: -Fivr-

Originally posted by: kshreya2002

Originally posted by: -Fivr-

I loved today's episode! Just loved it! It showed us how Dutta really became Dutta Bhao - and honestly, I really liked it. It had my brain doing somersaults at times, but I still enjoyed it a lot. *sigh* Tells you a lot about how insane I am, doesn't it!?! 😆 So, consider yourself warned - read at your own risk! 😃
I agree... and thank god the creatives didnt show some really lame reason for Dutta to become Dutta Bhao.... 😃

• As soon as Dutta entered the garage and heard that "laughter" he KNEW it was hers. He was confused at first as to what her voice was doing in the garage, then came denial (where he was trying to convince himself it was hers) and finally, came dread (of what he might find and how it might affect him). That's when he lowered his eyes (as if trying to avoid looking at the source of that noise for as long as he could) and took a step forward

• Did anyone else notice the hesitation in Dutta's movement as he stopped for a minute too long before he looked up? He really really didn't want it to be true.

omg... I so agree!!!!! it was almost as if he was pleading to Fate to not make his intuition come true..... poor Dutta... 😕

• Um, so... a car? Seriously? The pedophile Seth couldn't find a more "comfortable" place to lounge on? Not to mention a less disgusting position? That was gross on so many levels! *gag* 🤢

ok that once had me in splits actually... did that Govind Seth think he was twenty-something and having his first crush? That was so disgusting..... 🤢

• Dutta's initial response to the "sight" (i.e. the Seth and the girl getting "comfy" on the car's top) was disbelief. And it lasted for maybe a split second before being enveloped by pain. Immense pain. I don't know if it was just me, but I saw his eyes glisten - not from tears but from pain.

Dutta's eyes were too far for me to notice that... I even tried adjusting my specs and watching it again after reading your poast but umm ummm... 😕

• Wow... Trying to "sit up" on that car looked like such a tough feat for the pedophile Seth. 🤣

he had to pull up his paunch and sit na... 🤢

• O.M.G. Omggg! OMG! The Seth has the AUDACITY to hold her close as Dutta screams in pain?! SERIOUSLY??!?!?!? Am I too demented to want Dutta to break both of his arms first? That's like a kick below the belt - not only was he back stabbing the guy, he was PROUD of it too?! I HATE OBNOXIOUS, ARROGANT JERKS! 🤬

and did you notice how neither the Seth nor that Seema were shocked to see Dutta there? it somehow felt to me that they knew Dutta would come and they were *waiting* for Dutta to come.. It could be just me but I felt something really weird there.... 😕😕

• As Dutta comes raging towards the Seth, what does the pedophile do? He smiles... Seriously? He is enjoying this? I really DO NOT like this guy. I want him to feel immense pain - and I totally realize how violent that sounds but I DO NOT like the guy! 😡
  

• Dutta beating up the pedophile... I can't tell you how much I enjoyed it. (And it was not just because of how Dutta looked! 😆)

Ok Seema did not look shocked when she was caught cheating by her boyfriendbut she was shocked when Dutta punched the slumbag for all he was worth? 😲 I mean, did she expect him to silently cry over his heartbreak and leave? Or worse, wish them all the best for their future? 😆😆 this one really caught me..... 😆😆😆

• Up until Dutta was beating up the Seth, he looked enraged. But from the moment that girl opened her mouth and asked him to stop, he looked like he was in pain - a lot of physical pain. Like he'd only just realized that she'd been a part of it too and that realization had ripped his heart right out of his chest. And as she tells him that she'd been there out of her own free will, all his suspicions were confirmed. He looked at her with such accusatory eyes - like he was asking her "WHY?!". Why hadn't she just told him? And WHY had she not realized what he felt and appreciated it? But once she mocked him for "assuming" she'd marry him, it looked like the wind was knocked out of him. She ridiculed him for wanting to marry a girl like her and ridiculed his hard work - I honestly saw Dutta's disbelief at the words coming out of her mouth. He first been surprised at finding her there, then he'd been surprised when she told him she was there out of her own free will and just when he thought nothing could surprise him, he heard her speak about (and crush) his hopes and his innocent dreams. BUT he still tries - tries to make her see the truth, to make her understand how much he cares because he felt that if he tried a little bit harder, just a little bit harder, that she'd understand. He tried to show her how much he loved her by showing her what he expected would be a symbol of their commitment and love. And what did she do? She took a brutal swing at his heart with the proverbial sword of "money". She didn't care about his love if he didn't have money to support it. He was never going to be good enough. With that, he withdrew his hand from his pocket - there nothing in there that would be "understood" by her. And after THAT, with every word he had no more questions, nothing to say. He KNEW who she was. He could see her - all of her, for what she was, for what she REALLY was. And that is when I saw Dutta close up - THAT was when Dutta shut himself to the world. With every word that came out of her mouth, he fortified himself. Trying to stop her words to get in, but failing (that's when he touched and later tightened his grip on his pocket). He didn't get angry, he didn't argue - he just listened to her speak, because he knew she was finally speaking the truth.

Oh that *&^*^%&^ Seema.... she is another annoying character after Supriya.. 🤢 and the guts she has to ask our hottie Dutta if he has seen his face in a mirror... 🤢🤢 Girl.. what more did you want? I say she truly deserved that oldie Seth... 🤢🤢
I know that scene was power packed and just brought out the pain felt by Dutta so clearly but Fivr, you have already mentioned everything about it.... I have nothing more to say... wonderful analysis... 👏👏👏

• I have a question though - how stupid do you have to be to be proud of being with a girl who's just openly claimed that she's with you for the money? Because that's how STUPID I think the pedophile Seth is. 🤬

oh well they both deserve each other... tomorrow when a guy with more money turns up she is going to after him.... 🤢🤢🤢

• The subtle smile that played across Dutta's lips before he asked her if she ever loved him - it was like he was laughing at himself for even ASKING the question, but at the same time knew he wasn't going to stop. And as he asked her if she'd ever loved him - there has never been a more heartbreaking rhetorical question. He KNEW the answer, but he had to ask it - had to HEAR it for himself to really understand. And when she made him "understand" that she had now "shifted" her love from him to the Seth, Dutta's subtle nod was a sign that he'd heard what he'd expected to hear. And after that, there as an eerie lack of emotion on Dutta's face - almost like nothing hurt OR it hurt too much to matter anymore. He didn't look enraged to me, didn't look hurt, didn't look in pain - he just looked like, for the lack of a better term, Dutta Bhao to me.

Oooh this Seema... she really doesnt know what the term 'pyar' means na... So coolly she explains to Dutta that her "pyar" shifted from him to Seth... this is not called love you disgusting female... **ok yeti.. lambi saans lo.. 😆**

• Just as she gets ready to leave with the Seth, his hand moves forward almost involuntarily - as if it was his heart's last cry before it stopped.

• Even though Dutta had "fortified" himself from the world, he couldn't stop his eyes from glistening with tears, as they testified to his broken heart. Absolutely heart-breaking...

mishal's acting was fantabulous throughout the flashback.. more so in today's episode.. portraying the perfect heartbreak... 😕

• Baji's right there with Dutta at the "place". It's really telling how even after being hurt so much and even after closing himself to the world he still wanted to tell Baji what had happened and had wanted him around. They really do share a special bond.

• NOW Dutta's angry! It was like her betrayal had finally festered in his brain long enough to make him bitter - now he was overcome with hatred.

another glimpse of Dutta's anger... 😍 he so looked like The Dutta Bhao in that scene... 😍

• I LOVED how Dutta had a sarcastic smile pass over his face as he looked at the ring he'd bought for her - as though he was thinking "I was such an idiot!". It was an absolute contrast to when he'd looked at the same ring earlier in the day - absolutely brilliant! 👏

• Someone had told him his feelings and his love wasn't WORTH anything because he didn't have money to support it. Someone he cared for deeply hadn't thought twice before trampling over his heart - and all because he didn't have "money". I am absolutely NOT surprised why he wanted to make money and fast. As though that was the only way to prove to himself (which he thought would help "bury" his pain) and to those that ridiculed him what he was worth.

• When Dutta talked about pain, Baji looked like he was hurting too. And not just hurting for Dutta, he was angry for him too. He wasn't affected by what had happened as much as Dutta had, but he wasn't an impartial by-stander either.

• I wasn't sure what to make of Baji for bringing Dutta to the "underworld" - that was until he told Dutta to turn back before they went in. Makes me think that Baji knew Dutta would have walked on this path with or without his help and that it would be better if at least he'd be around to have his back. I don't think Baji was being irresponsible here - he didn't "introduce" Dutta to the "underworld" - he just made sure that if Dutta was going to step into it, then he'd be around to cover for him. I mean, haven't you ever been there with your friend even if they're doing something bad just because if you weren't there then it probably could be a lot worst? I really think that's what it was here - but I could be wrong... 🤔

ok I just loved Bhaji since his entry in LTL.. but today's episode somehow made me have my reservations about him.... agreed that Bhaji, like many other young (he must have been around 18-19 too I guess like Dutta) boys from the typical lifestyle that Dutta and Bhaji belonged to, could have strayed down the wrong path of underworld but he should not have suggested this route to Dutta when he wanted to earn a lot of money.... this just sends out wrong signals to the youth.. I just dont seem to stomach the fact that he would suggest something like this to his best friend, when he himself knew the perils of the job... I am probably much too moral but I think the director should have handled this part with more sensitivity... but I do agree that Bhaji did warn Dutta that once he goes down this part there is no U turn and only a TheEnd but somehow this point sticks out like a sore thumb for me... Again this is simply my perspective.. 😕

• What kind of a wanna-be don is this? Wears shades INDOORS?! Bwaaaahahahahhahahaha!!! OMG! I haven't seen THAT as a statement of "awesomeness" in a long long time. 🤣🤣

and the black leather.... 🤣

• I don't think Dutta realized exactly what he'd be signing up for until he saw the picture and the gun laid out in front of him. I could almost hear it all "click" together in his brain.

• You know, I wasn't sure what to make of Baji encouraging Dutta to pick up the gun or smiling when Dutta did. But then I remembered what I'd seen of Baji since his entry and it made sense - Baji has always been nonchalant about his work. To him, it's always been normal - even when they were at the shore he had a very "easy" vibe around him, especially after Dutta beat up More. There was no sense of urgency and no worry - to him his work is his work and there's nothing that worrying about it would do. It makes me feel that Baji has always "accepted" this line of work - he knew what he was getting into and once Dutta had stepped forward in spite of his warnings, I think Baji accepted it completely. He's lived in a setting where gangs and guns are common - so I can see why he isn't affected by their presence. And now after Dutta had decided to "walk" in the same path, so to speak, Baji wasn't inhibited anymore. At least that's what I think. 🤔

• "Jahan tu, wahan main... Chal." - *sigh* I don't care how conflicted we feel about Baji in the scene before, this one definitely was a heart warming sentence. Baji wasn't going to abandon Dutta - in fact, this makes me feel that Baji's smile and encouragement in the previous scene wasn't just for Dutta alone. It was for the both of them - he wasn't happy because he'd "convinced" Dutta to bear arm. He was happy because he knew no matter what comes they'd take it on together. If he "got" Dutta into it as some might like to argue, then he stayed around to be a part of it (and take the blame) too. I like that. 😊

again I would have been really impressed if Bhaji stuck to Dutta after Dutta on his own decided on this path to make money, saying come what may, good or bad, he wouldnt allow his friend to tread alone... but the fact that HE was the one who got Dutta introduced to this world, when he said he would always remain with him, the intensity somehow got reduced for me.... 😕😕
But that dialogue was just awesome.... 👏👏 to the dialogue writers again... they manage to express a wealth of meaning in just one sentence time and again (like Dutta Bhao's dialogues 😳)

• I like how Dutta didn't argue with Baji when he said he'd be coming along. Almost like Dutta expected him to come along - that the question was a mere formality. I love how these two know each other so well! 😃

• I like how Dutta's progression through his "first murder" was shown. When he first spots the guy, he hides and really makes sure it's him because he doesn't want to kill someone he doesn't have to. Up until then, he's still checking himself and making sure he doesn't hurt someone he shouldn't. He raises his gun and it's like he's trying to tell himself to "do it" because that would help stop the "noise". But it's still an unimaginable ordeal to kill someone - so his hands shake and as Baji reminds him to shoot, he accidentally fires. After that, it's all about the adrenaline and the chase. After that he didn't have time to "think" - all he was concerned with was catching the guy and shooting him. There was no time to second guess himself or to contemplate what he was about to do. There was just time to "do", so to speak. So when he finally caught up to the guy, he hesitated for but a moment before he pulled the trigger. The first time was the hardest, but after that the next two shots came fairly quickly because now he'd detached himself from the "kill". It wasn't until Baji told him to stop that he realized it was "done". I liked how the whole "journey" was shown - but then I might just be insane so... 😆

Agreed... very nicely pictured... 👏

• You know, this episode keeps testing my faith in Baji yet each time what he does makes sense to me. Either I'm totally demented and am finding excuses for Baji's behavior - or what I see really is what happens. *sigh* I don't know. But when Baji urged Dutta to "shoot the guy", I almost heard an urgency in it. As though he knew if Dutta failed the penalty would be huge. To me, it felt like he was being protective of Dutta - and not that he was being vicious against the "victim". But that's what I felt. 🤔

For me it kind of looked like Bhaji knew that there is no turning back.. I mean Dutta had already accepted the "supari".. it is in his best interest that he finishes it off and Bhaji was egging him on for that....

• Lol! The don with the shades is back! Indoors, again... 🤣

• Did anyone else notice how "somber" Baji looked as he stood behind Dutta while Dutta handed back the gun. Like now that the initial adrenaline rush had subsided, the reality of the situation was kicking in. And when Dutta was handed over another photograph and the gun, the way Baji reacted - like he didn't approve of going through it again. Makes me feel that how Baji had reacted initially was not a "vicious" decision (like I'd said) but just a "selfish" one (with regards to Dutta).

I thought Bhaji actually looked surprised and shocked... and the "don" 😆😆 handed over a bunch of photos, not just one... it was like Bhaji was thinking where did I get Dutta involved or something... but then I could be wrong since both of them knew the end results before they signed up for the job... 🤔

• The first time Dutta "picked up" the gun, his reaction was a lot more innocent - like he knew it was wrong but he wanted to make money and that was more important. But the second time he was offered the gun, he almost had this "tired" and "helpless" feel to him - like he KNEW just how bad it was but he'd done it once and to him there was no going back. And he wanted the money too, but somehow that seemed to come as an after thought to him. Or so I thought.

I thought so too... like he had come to accept the fact that the gun is going to be a constant partner from now on...

• When Dutta disapproved of being invited over of a drink and asked Baji to leave it was like he'd decided that even though he was in the business for the money he wasn't going to make friends. Like he knew that even though he was doing the "bad deed" he didn't want to become a "bad person" too - if that makes any sense... 🤔

Dutta always seemed to be a guarded person to me... he had nver let another guy except Bhaji into his life and he wanted to keep it the same way...

• The rest of the "kills" were a lot less inhibited - like by now it was just all in a day's work. Shooting at people and getting shot at was "routine" now. Did I say I love how the creatives pay attention to detail?! LOVE IT! 😃

err.. but the broad day-light killings in crowded markets and NOBODY trying to catch them/identify them.. the police always running in a second after Dutta ran out of the screen... I am sorry but these just had me in splits.... 😆😆😆😆😆

• I cannot tell you how much I appreciate the fact that Dutta has to shoot someone ONCE for them to die. THANK YOU CREATIVES! I find nothing more hilarious than a guy who still takes on fifty goons after being shot more than once. So thank you for not turning our "hero" or our "villians" into super humans. 😆

• It's taken all afternoon for Dutta to tell Nakku the past - just makes me imagine just how vividly he'd be narrating his past. Usually all the "protagonists" get done with 25-30 years worth of flashbacks in five minutes worth of reel time. Needless to say, I love the attention to detail by the creatives! 😃

• So when making a lot of "money" didn't curb the torment inside him, that's when Dutta decided that he needed to kill the guy to make the pain stop - and this he would do without money! Up until then he'd been determined to make money because he'd believed that it would be enough. But when money didn't fill the "wound" (as it shouldn't have) he decided to fix it the only way he knew now - by killing the guy responsible.

You have it so nicely put there 😃

• You know, the shot of Dutta walking in front of the light reminded me of the boat scene where there was a flood light shinning behind him. *sigh* I love that scene. 😍

oooh... can we please have a repeat of that scene when Morey decides to come again for Naku? 😍

• WHAT is up with this guy and cars?! SERIOUSLY! I know he owns a garage but really? Can he not afford a room? I don't get it! So gross! 🤢

When you put it like that.... I am 🤣

• So it's raining cats and dogs and someone knocks on your car window in the middle of NO where - what do you do? If you're the pedophile Seth, you ignore it like you would a wandering fly. 🤣

• Okay, I'm going to admit it - when the girl got scared at seeing Dutta on the other side of the glass, I totally screamed "Maar ne aya hai!" to the screen as an answer to her "Maro gai?" question from that night. 😆

oh and is she tupid or is she STUPID? I mean anyone with their marbles intact would run for their life as soon as Dutta started bashing up the Seth... but no.. this girl waits until Dutta is done with that oldie and come towards her and THEN she decides to turn... did she think she would outrun Dutta by any chance? 😕😕😕

• Dutta fighting in the rain... *sigh*... 😍 I swear this man is making me more violent. 😆

Guess am gonna look out for street fights during the rains now.... 😆😆😆

• When she was screaming "Dutta tu kya kar raha hai?!", guess what I was doing? Yep, I was screaming "MAR RAHA HAI!". 😆

Lol, sorry for getting too violent there at the end - I just really hate both the Seth and the girl. And plus, I think Dutta Bhao is rubbing off on me like he did on Sethji!
Dutta's effects seen on most of us here I would say... but I dont hear any complaints.. 😉😉 😆😆😆

Originally posted by: himalayanyeti

So all the stress of my past week caught up with me today and I fell sick... What did I do? I took an off from work and watched the 3 episodes of Laagi-- that I had missed due to work..😉 Friday, Monday and today's of course....
So much for being sick... 😆😆😆 and I guess the dosage of Dutta has acted as a more potent medicine than anything else I took.... 😆

That's how it works for me too! Sleep deprived or not, I have to watch the show. 😆

Originally posted by: -Fivr-