Why reailty show singers vanishes- Kailash Kher

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Posted: 15 years ago
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Although it is an old interview but I will like members to have a discussion on the point that Kailash Kher wants to make:

Unfortunately, most of the winners of these reality shows have vanished in thin air after their share of fame. What is your opinion on this? Why do you think this happens?

Let me narrate an incident. The other day I was watching a news item which spoke about a wrestler from Bhopal who won two state-level championships becoming a chain-snatcher now. This news item impacted me a lot. Why did he change his profession? Why did he get down to such a level? I feel that is because there was a lack of commitment in that person. He wanted easy money and didn't want to struggle for it.

I feel the situation is similar in most of the reality shows. A reality show is like a swimming pool where you are swimming in a small, known territory. But someday or the other you have to come out of it in the big, bad world of seas. You have to fight for survival. How many people are able to do that? That is exactly what is happening in these shows. Winners, after coming out of these shows are smelling easy money in stage shows and go after them. Then the instant fame they get also gets into their heads. This changes their focus and singing becomes secondary. Thus, while they made a very good start with the reality shows, they are not able to carry on the good work with the commitment which is required.

So what is the remedy?

I feel serious psychoanalyst help is needed in such cases.

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Posted: 15 years ago
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very well said.. most of these reality show winners go for stage shows and thus spoil their talent...in stage shows its not music but how much yuh shout that counts ...eventually the good voice is lost.. people will forget the singer..

hope the singers listen to this and sing good songs..

these performance and all are good fr stage shows alone..if you wanna last long in music industry then its the 'sur' that is important..

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Posted: 15 years ago
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Every word that Kailash Kher has said is true. I just want to add to it more. He used a word in his answer 'Struggle'. This is what today's generation don't want to do. Reality shows gives them a platform for fame and recognition. How many of them went on to become playback singers? Yes some of them like Abhijeet Sawant, Vineet, Himani, Raja Hasan have sung odd or two sons. But just by singing 4-5 songs doesn't make them a playback singer. And almost everyone sings has sung for music composers who have been their mentor in the reality shows.
On the other hand look at the strugglers of our music industry Rafi Saab, RD Burman, Udit Narayan, Sonu Nigam, Abhijeet...just to name a few. Rafi Saab used to work in a Salon before he starting his singing career. Nobody can question their greatness.
Shreya Ghoshal, Kunal Ganjawala, Sunidhi Chauhan have all come from reality shows. These are the true successful examples who really went on to pursue a singing career. But that too for a reason. When they won in reality shows the shows were never had the rubbish public voting. The shows used to be judged by esteemed panel of judges who really knew what music is. Kunal came in the very first episode of SaReGaMa and that show was judged by one of the most complete artist, Suresh Wadekar ji. Some of the other judges that came on SaReGaMa include OP Nayyar, Jagjit Singh, Anil Biswas, Pt Hariprasad Chaurasia, Khayyam etc.
But the day SaReGaMa became SaReGaMaPa and all that mentor and 'gharana' system, the quality of show went down as the race for TRP's started and other channels also followed suit.
When I saw that leaked video posted by Raghu in a different topic, it hurt me very deeply. This is what our Music has come down to. They have started buying the audience to gain TRP's. And our very own Himesh Reshammiya feels proud in saying that 'Hum logo ne sab saath mil kar chugane ki kasam khaayi hain. Tum log yeh paiso ke liye kar rahe hai...haan bhai kar rahe hai...". Shame on him.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Hmmm...I expected some replies here. It was a good topic to debate on.
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Originally posted by: brahmabul

Hmmm...I expected some replies here. It was a good topic to debate on.

Dont expect Boss.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: Raghuraj

Although it is an old interview but I will like members to have a discussion on the point that Kailash Kher wants to make:

Unfortunately, most of the winners of these reality shows have vanished in thin air after their share of fame. What is your opinion on this? Why do you think this happens?

Let me narrate an incident. The other day I was watching a news item which spoke about a wrestler from Bhopal who won two state-level championships becoming a chain-snatcher now. This news item impacted me a lot. Why did he change his profession? Why did he get down to such a level? I feel that is because there was a lack of commitment in that person. He wanted easy money and didn't want to struggle for it.

I feel the situation is similar in most of the reality shows. A reality show is like a swimming pool where you are swimming in a small, known territory. But someday or the other you have to come out of it in the big, bad world of seas. You have to fight for survival. How many people are able to do that? That is exactly what is happening in these shows. Winners, after coming out of these shows are smelling easy money in stage shows and go after them. Then the instant fame they get also gets into their heads. This changes their focus and singing becomes secondary. Thus, while they made a very good start with the reality shows, they are not able to carry on the good work with the commitment which is required.

So what is the remedy?

I feel serious psychoanalyst help is needed in such cases.

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yes this is the reality of the situation.
Many singers get lazy I notice and often their standards drop drastically.
too much road shows too leaves little time for serious practise and improvement.
Also to survive they need various other skills/contacts and rapport.
competition is tough and even some of the established singers find it hard to get playback contracts.
These days singers must do much more to survive I think. Fortunately they get full support from most TV channels too.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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I will also blame the reality show producers too. To run their shows they project a singer as being great and all the Judges comments and presentations of the show makes viewers think that the singer is great.
I have talked to many reality show contestents and they say that the Judges on the show even call them to studios for recording and they wait there for hours and finally a line is given to sing and the contestents even dont know for what they are singing.
One contestent after last ASVOI was asked by Monty to wait in Mumbai after the show and said that he will give the singer a opportunity to sing and I immediately called her family who are innocent people and told them to get the singer back home.But finally the singer stayed in Mumbai for 15 days but no call from Monty.1 year has passed by and Monty forgot all.
The Judges get money for their role in the show and they act as directed by the Director.
By projecting a singer as great makes the singer feel that no one is above him/her and during and just after the show the singer is popular in his/her region and when he/she goes anywhere everybody gives him/her accolades.In that period the singer is generally in a contract with the channel and gets too many shows and also money comes in.
If the singer is not matured and is not guided properly by fans, family and well wishers he/she looses his/her path to success.
It is the fans, family and well wishers who guides him/her constructively to success and keeps him/her on alert always.
I have seen many reality shows contestents dissapear from the scene or getting some success in their own region.
The fame and popularity will surely give them work and stage shows in there region but as fans we want them to be more successfull and earn more name and fame.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: brahmabul

Every word that Kailash Kher has said is true. I just want to add to it more. He used a word in his answer 'Struggle'. This is what today's generation don't want to do. Reality shows gives them a platform for fame and recognition. How many of them went on to become playback singers? Yes some of them like Abhijeet Sawant, Vineet, Himani, Raja Hasan have sung odd or two sons. But just by singing 4-5 songs doesn't make them a playback singer. And almost everyone sings has sung for music composers who have been their mentor in the reality shows.
On the other hand look at the strugglers of our music industry Rafi Saab, RD Burman, Udit Narayan, Sonu Nigam, Abhijeet...just to name a few. Rafi Saab used to work in a Salon before he starting his singing career. Nobody can question their greatness.
Shreya Ghoshal, Kunal Ganjawala, Sunidhi Chauhan have all come from reality shows. These are the true successful examples who really went on to pursue a singing career. But that too for a reason. When they won in reality shows the shows were never had the rubbish public voting. The shows used to be judged by esteemed panel of judges who really knew what music is. Kunal came in the very first episode of SaReGaMa and that show was judged by one of the most complete artist, Suresh Wadekar ji. Some of the other judges that came on SaReGaMa include OP Nayyar, Jagjit Singh, Anil Biswas, Pt Hariprasad Chaurasia, Khayyam etc.
But the day SaReGaMa became SaReGaMaPa and all that mentor and 'gharana' system, the quality of show went down as the race for TRP's started and other channels also followed suit.
When I saw that leaked video posted by Raghu in a different topic, it hurt me very deeply. This is what our Music has come down to. They have started buying the audience to gain TRP's. And our very own Himesh Reshammiya feels proud in saying that 'Hum logo ne sab saath mil kar chugane ki kasam khaayi hain. Tum log yeh paiso ke liye kar rahe hai...haan bhai kar rahe hai...". Shame on him.



Really true.. its the INSTANT FAME that most of the reality singers run after, someone to grab them by the arm and lead them to the studios. i think the Humility of the singer is retained once he goes through a phase of struggle and then reaches a point of fame.. in this way, he never forgets the hard work he did to come up to that position and thus, keeps on working hard to improve himself more and more.. Once this humility is lost in the person everything is lost..

that is my point of view.

and as Rancho 'Baba' said : "Excellence ke peechay jao, success khud tumhare piche ayegi." 😆
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Posted: 15 years ago
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I think we can see reality show singer success/failure with the best practical example.

Shreya G came out of them, and that too as a child singer - something that was exceptional then. But what happened then? I believe that her prize was to go away and get even better lessons for a few years: not money or recording contracts or shows.

In western classical music the voice is called the best and the most delicate instrument and there are many many things that can spoil it, even if you started out great.
Students are often told to wait for their voices to mature before taking on full opera/voice degrees and they do it slowly, by degrees.

I believe that is why people like Lata, Asha or Rafi etc had such great success over such a long time. They knew that their greatest "luck" was their voice and they made sure it only got better and learnt to do more things with it.

Singing is hard work first and foremost, but with all these costumes and get-ups and dramas, I do not think they have much time to actually go and practise their stuff.

That is why I am crossing my fingers that Anwesha or Aishwarya, for instance get out of this reality show business and start concentrating on their training. Songs will come in the end like they did to Shreya.
Anwesha was such perfection in CU, I hope she concentrates on her ability to get every single little detail just right, as she did then.

Even on that Millenium singing talent show with A R Rahman I was ashamed to see that the 8 singers, all current professionals- playback singers, sang so badly live. They were often off-key, out of tune, or simply fell flat, esp when rendering older songs. Mohit was one of them, but others were no better.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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I have seen many Anwsha fans on IF. The success rate of reality show winners turning into a genuine playback singer is quite poor. Lets hope Anwesha improves that ratio.

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