Stupid Glorification of Manav and Savita

2] The Manohar and Varsha saving point : The second grouch is Manav saved Manohar and Varsha , and yet Archu wasn't sent there by Sulochana , so Sulochana is evil , as bad as Savita , fat , what not .😆😆 Here i want to ask a question ...........So yes , Manav saved Varsha and Manohar ..........so ????? Does that change the circumtances in his house ? Arre who is denying that Manav is good ? See Sulochnas answer to Varsha when Varsha says the same thing , that ok , he is good , but that doesnt change anything much ! That is the answer of a worried , experienced parent ! At the most these two actions prove that the boy is good . But his mother is BAD ..........not just Bad , really a bad piece . the good Boy is never going to stay seperate . The good boy also has a history of being largely UNAWARE of what his evil mom does , instead of knowing her real nature and being alert . The good boy worships his evil mother . Her own husband doesnt neither do her own children , but this good boy does . Why ?Coz he is 'good ' . So what value does his goodness amount to ultimately if it does not succeed in saving an innocent girl ? And why shud a girl's mother , who has noticed exploitation by the boy's mom regarding jewels and threats about torturing the girl send the girl there because the boy saved two members of her family ? Is that saving action going to guarantee happiness for her daughter for a lifetime ?No ! Any girl's mom wud say to the boy ............Thank u , Thank U very much , but still I cant send my daughter to take crap from ur mother as she is terrible and ur never gonna live seperate ! Which member on this forum who has a daughter will honestly send her to live with a monster like Savita only coz the damaad is good ? Speaking for myself ............I wouldnt. I would do an about turn and run to the northpole dragging my daughter with me !😆 And if Sulochana is bad coz she didnt say EVEN that Thank U ...........the reasoning is clear , I think any parent wud understand it . She didn't want to raise false hopes . Her stand was clear........she didnt want to send her daughter t that hell hole , and saying Thank u wud complicate things at that point . Did anyone even think of this ? Is it so wrong ? To be practical ? .

3] Currently the argument advanced is..............who told Archu to take crap from Savita ? Manav ne bola tha kya ? Did Manav say it ? Well this is great and a classically chauvinistic way of exonerating Manav ! By this clever sentence , Manav is set scot free from his responsibility as a husband about being aware of his wife's torture by his mother . The girl came to live in his house , she was new and adapting to the circumstances and he ALREADY KNEW his mom's nature . What was the girl supposed to do , start putting her hands on her hips in a fighting gesture like a fishwife and get as foul mouthed as Savita ? For that matter my dears , who had told Manav to stand tongue tied when Sulochna blasted him publicly .........why didnt he speak up enough ? This reasoning isnt fair ! In that case all the girls who suffer torture at hands of in laws r only at fault and all husbands r blameless !😆😆😆

4] Karanjkars r bad , Karanjkars r uppity , Karanjkars think no end of themselves : The Karanjkars r simple , middle class , cultured folk . The Deshmukhs r clearly dysfunctional . Savita who had neither education nor money , nor culture , was the one who acted too big for her boots ALWAYS . She acted uppity...........She thought no end of herself and she was honestly so bad that she tried to sell BOTH her sons in the marraige market . Unfortunately her villainy was cloaked with a humor touch and so many viewers fell for it . The Karanjkars were tricked , then they gave the marraige a decent chance , then they were shocked , then they gave their daughter support . Nothing wrong with them in my eyes at least . I applaud them . The Deshmukhs r dysfunctional to this point even today............even Sachins death hasnt changed them. They r still licking the shoes of the very man who sent Sachin spiralling towards his death with his ruthless phone call .............Girish , as he is MONEY .

5] Sachins death makes villain Savita a certified victim and Manav a certified angry hero ! There was a point in this serial when we wanted the tape to be heard in public , or Savita's villainy to be exposed in front of Manav . Now , will it make any diffrence ? The fizz of the coke has gone . How Savita took the mangal sutra , initiated the divorce proceedings , did public abuse ..........why will it matter to Manav who only sees how she was beaten in jail ? He will cruelly say HISAAB BARABAR or KYA FARAK PADTA HAI ? And after this tape is heard stupid Archu will go to save her marraige and be kicked around humiliatingly like a football in the Deshmukh home where all will act uppity with her ................and she will , instead of salvaging her dignity and allowing Manav to marry Shravni and walk away , try to win him back and endure even more abuse . ; The Question is .............Is Manav worth it ?Is any guy worth it for this matter ? Archu didnt sign the diovorce papers first neither did she agree to another marraige .............these two serious actions , that really damaged this so called Pavitra Rishta were ultimately done by Manav ...........for justifiable or unjustifiable reasons .

And so I find this serial pathetically chauvinistic in which a woman suffers abuse , then is blamed unfairly , and expected to grovel and work on a marraige which broke not really due to her but due to a number of invisible villains who r having a party even today . And I constantly ask myself this question ..........BUT WHY ??????

Ok, I guess I'll finally reply... initially I thought I'll not say anything cos of the title 'Stupid Glorification of Manav and Savita'... I thought if I say things everyone might say I'm defending and glorifying Manav.. but ok I'll pen my two thoughts..

Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

I have been reading the grouches against Archu and the Karanjkars now for a very long time and I thought of listing them . Just see how unfair they are .

1] Even after 15 days stay , Archana didnt speak up passionately and defend Manav : This is the primary anger against Archu . A simple , middle class Marathi girl from an extremely conservative suburban locality shud after a 15 day stay develop such manmoth confidence that she shud stand up and give speeches on Manav's behalf ! Infact , I congratulate PR team for showing that doubts entered Archu's mind . This is so much more realistic . so much more understandable . A girl who has hesitatingly entered matrimonial life will definetely get tremendous doubts . See Varsha's case .........even after knowing Ashwin for much longer than archu knew Manav , she was tricked by a man..........Ashwin , who pretended to be ' good and decent ." It is Mumbai , my dear folks ! Hundreds of girls r tricked due to lies in arranged marraiges...........hence the caution and anxiety of parents like Sulochana and Girish . And this is wrong ? why ?

Agree with you absolutely... this is something I had written long back when this track had started.. that the marriage being in the teething stage and the proofs against Manav being so strong (cos we have to admit Ajit trapped him really well.. his plan was foolproof) it wud have been HIGHLY unrealistic to show Archna not doubting him and instead defending him in front of everybody. At least not on the spur of the moment... I was a little disappointed however that she didn't think later that Manav had told her how he had saved her very clearly and she had seen him trying to find the actual culprit too... but that I guess is something that slipped out of the creatives mind... or maybe she thought that was an act too... in short.. here Archana gets a clean chit from me.

2] The Manohar and Varsha saving point : The second grouch is Manav saved Manohar and Varsha , and yet Archu wasn't sent there by Sulochana , so Sulochana is evil , as bad as Savita , fat , what not .😆😆 Here i want to ask a question ...........So yes , Manav saved Varsha and Manohar ..........so ????? Does that change the circumtances in his house ? Arre who is denying that Manav is good ? See Sulochnas answer to Varsha when Varsha says the same thing , that ok , he is good , but that doesnt change anything much ! That is the answer of a worried , experienced parent ! At the most these two actions prove that the boy is good . But his mother is BAD ..........not just Bad , really a bad piece . the good Boy is never going to stay seperate . The good boy also has a history of being largely UNAWARE of what his evil mom does , instead of knowing her real nature and being alert . The good boy worships his evil mother . Her own husband doesnt neither do her own children , but this good boy does . Why ?Coz he is 'good ' . So what value does his goodness amount to ultimately if it does not succeed in saving an innocent girl ? And why shud a girl's mother , who has noticed exploitation by the boy's mom regarding jewels and threats about torturing the girl send the girl there because the boy saved two members of her family ? Is that saving action going to guarantee happiness for her daughter for a lifetime ?No ! Any girl's mom wud say to the boy ............Thank u , Thank U very much , but still I cant send my daughter to take crap from ur mother as she is terrible and ur never gonna live seperate ! Which member on this forum who has a daughter will honestly send her to live with a monster like Savita only coz the damaad is good ? Speaking for myself ............I wouldnt. I would do an about turn and run to the northpole dragging my daughter with me !😆 And if Sulochana is bad coz she didnt say EVEN that Thank U ...........the reasoning is clear , I think any parent wud understand it . She didn't want to raise false hopes . Her stand was clear........she didnt want to send her daughter t that hell hole , and saying Thank u wud complicate things at that point . Did anyone even think of this ? Is it so wrong ? To be practical ? .

Again here I agree with you, partially. I wasn't really expecting Sulochana to send Archana into that house after coming to know that he saved Varsha... not at all. After all why wud she sacrifice one daughter to pay off for the other's debt. I expected her to clearly say.. "I agree that he saved Varsha.. but who knows.. maybe it was one more drama of the boy's goodness? Why shud I send my daughter to that characterless man..??"

But what I got to hear was nothing that I had expected.. she said, "Yes, the boy is good, but the mother is bad... so I wont send my daughter there..." To be frank.. this decision made me quite angry with her... the reason- punishing Manav for his Aai's deeds instead of making him aware about the situation and giving him at least a fair choice... I thought it was unfair.. In fact even today I feel Manav shud not in future be made to pay for his Aai's deeds, rather he needs to be told by the Karanjkar family the horrible truths about his Aai... Manav is a fair person.. he stands up for the one who is right... he has stood up against his Aai so many times, whether it be for Archu or for Sachin. They shud clearly tell him that till that evil woman is in your house.. we can't send our daughter there.. if you love her and want to take responsibility then GET OUT OF THAT HELL HOLE AND LIVE SEPARATELY... WE ARE NOT TELLING YOU TO FORGET YOUR FAMILY... BUT IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR US TO SEND OUR DAUGHTER THERE JUST COS YOU ARE GOOD... YOU HAVE A GARAGE NOW AND CAN AFFORD IT TOO... ULTIMATELY THE CHOICE IS YOURS... later I came to know that Sulochana herself has a bad impression of children leaving their parents and staying separately.. so cud understand her point of view... going by that point of view I guess she will never send her daughter in that house and that is understandable... but not really the right decision ... even I agree.. if I had a daughter I wud not send her to the boy's house but wud have told him my reasons of not sending my daughter and asked him if he wud have sent his sister or daughter to such a house, he wud have said NO and then I wud have said then I leave the rest upto you.. don't give my daughter any false hopes of a happy future.

3] Currently the argument advanced is..............who told Archu to take crap from Savita ? Manav ne bola tha kya ? Did Manav say it ? Well this is great and a classically chauvinistic way of exonerating Manav ! By this clever sentence , Manav is set scot free from his responsibility as a husband about being aware of his wife's torture by his mother . The girl came to live in his house , she was new and adapting to the circumstances and he ALREADY KNEW his mom's nature . What was the girl supposed to do , start putting her hands on her hips in a fighting gesture like a fishwife and get as foul mouthed as Savita ? For that matter my dears , who had told Manav to stand tongue tied when Sulochna blasted him publicly .........why didnt he speak up enough ? This reasoning isnt fair ! In that case all the girls who suffer torture at hands of in laws r only at fault and all husbands r blameless !😆😆😆

Well, there is nothing to say much here cos I never supported this statement... (or made it)... I understand this situation perfectly cos MY MOM ALSO HAD TO GO THROUGH MIL PROBLEMS... SHE USED TO MAKE HER WORK A LOT... WHEN MY DAD PROTESTED AND DECIDED TO HIRE A HOUSEHOLD HELP EVERYONE SAID BAD ABOUT HIM AS WELL (not very well financially at that time) - HERS WASN'T EVEN A ONE SIDED LOVE MARRIAGE... IT WAS A COMPLETE ARRANGED MARRIAGE... but she never complained about anything to my Dad even though he kept asking her all the time... new brides just keep on thinking what will others think.. what will my husband think. But yes, i do say that this thing was one of the factors why Archu had to suffer (not her fault... but a factor), in future, she needs to learn to speak against Savita.

4] Karanjkars r bad , Karanjkars r uppity , Karanjkars think no end of themselves : The Karanjkars r simple , middle class , cultured folk . The Deshmukhs r clearly dysfunctional . Savita who had neither education nor money , nor culture , was the one who acted too big for her boots ALWAYS . She acted uppity...........She thought no end of herself and she was honestly so bad that she tried to sell BOTH her sons in the marraige market . Unfortunately her villainy was cloaked with a humor touch and so many viewers fell for it . The Karanjkars were tricked , then they gave the marraige a decent chance , then they were shocked , then they gave their daughter support . Nothing wrong with them in my eyes at least . I applaud them . The Deshmukhs r dysfunctional to this point even today............even Sachins death hasnt changed them. They r still licking the shoes of the very man who sent Sachin spiralling towards his death with his ruthless phone call .............Girish , as he is MONEY .

Again here I agree with you... Karanjkars are not bad people... they are decent... sometimes over-decent.. (They shud have complained about Savita's abuses long ago.. at least Manav wud have been made aware.. what is happening today wudn't have happened.. he wud have supported Archu)

5] Sachins death makes villain Savita a certified victim and Manav a certified angry hero ! There was a point in this serial when we wanted the tape to be heard in public , or Savita's villainy to be exposed in front of Manav . Now , will it make any diffrence ? The fizz of the coke has gone . How Savita took the mangal sutra , initiated the divorce proceedings , did public abuse ..........why will it matter to Manav who only sees how she was beaten in jail ? He will cruelly say HISAAB BARABAR or KYA FARAK PADTA HAI ? And after this tape is heard stupid Archu will go to save her marraige and be kicked around humiliatingly like a football in the Deshmukh home where all will act uppity with her ................and she will , instead of salvaging her dignity and allowing Manav to marry Shravni and walk away , try to win him back and endure even more abuse . ; The Question is .............Is Manav worth it ?Is any guy worth it for this matter ? Archu didnt sign the diovorce papers first neither did she agree to another marraige .............these two serious actions , that really damaged this so called Pavitra Rishta were ultimately done by Manav ...........for justifiable or unjustifiable reasons .

Savita is definitely not a certified Victim... at least I don't think so at all. About Manav.. well there are a number of points about which I have already written long posts about why I find Manav's anger towards Archu believable... maybe justified/ not justified... but believable.. in his shoes any other person wud be doing the same... but I wish they cud have shown some anger towards Girish as well. Why they are not showing it I am not sure... just guessing 1.) Manav is indebted to Girishji for lots of reasons and primarily for accepting Sachin as SIL 2.) Manav understood Girishji's reasons for not sending Shravani to that house 3.) Manav knows Girishji's situation NOW and understands that he is desperate for marriage to just about any guy. 4.) Manav understands the delicacy of the situation and thinks that the first thing right now is to settle Shravani's matter..... 5.) The child is Sachin's and he does not want to lose it

Even then I don't understand why Manav wasn't shown as saying emotionally to Girishji... "Why did you have to make that phone call at that time, Sir... I understand you didn't want to send Shravani into that house... but why so ruthless... cudn't you have at least waited for Sachin to be a bit stable... maybe Sachin wud have been with us today.."

But none of that was shown. So sad....!!

But I don't agree that if the truth comes out Manav will just stand and say..."HISAAB BARABAR" or "KYA FARAK PADTA HAI"... that wud go totally against his character of a fair person... why do you expect him to be cruel...Manav shud definitely come to know of his mother's misdeeds, and understand why the Karanjkar family did not support him when they went to jail... that wud be the only way to clear this mess. he shud do justice to Archana cos she has been wronged as much as him.

(I understand you expect this of him cos he said this to Varsha the other day.. but then the context was different.. she said Manju made the complaint not Archu... and he said.. "kya farak padta hai complaint kisi ne bhi ki ho mera bhai waapas nahi ayega"... in other words...- Even I know Manju did the complaint, I saw her there myself, but that doesn't prove Archu wasn't party to the plan... and so she is as much of a culprit... my brother is not coming back anyway...)

I am actually one of those few who wanted Archu to work on her marriage (I'm sure you remember me) cos as I said before.. when one falls weak... the other shud be strong... Manav did it then... Archu shud do it now.... but in no way do I support her taking abuses from Savita... that wud of course give a wrong message... rather I want Manav to protect her and actually come to know of his Monster-Mom.. (by the way.. the whole day she will be out of the house for job and night school... at night Manav and Damodar will be there... so Savita won't be able to really abuse her) lets see..I just wanted Archu to try once.. one small try.. cos her husband has been wronged as well..after that she backs off.. I'm ok with it cos dignity is very important.

Basically I want Manav to shout at Savita.. right now that is what I want the most.. that can happen only if he comes to know about her wrong doings... that can happen only if he trusts Archu... that will unfortunately happen if she goes to that house and shows him her love... I agree, situation for Archu will be very bad... and she is suffering a lot.

And so I find this serial pathetically chauvinistic in which a woman suffers abuse , then is blamed unfairly , and expected to grovel and work on a marraige which broke not really due to her but due to a number of invisible villains who r having a party even today . And I constantly ask myself this question ..........BUT WHY ??????

Chauvinistic... ummm... I don't know... Manav suffered abuse and slaps at the hands of Archu's family too in front of the whole chawl where he had a good reputation for years (cos of the villains)... he is blamed unfairly first due to Ajit, and then for his Aai's mistakes, not credited for his good deeds... and still he worked on the marriage which broke due to the villains and circumstances... till today his Baba blames him despite knowing he did his best to save his marriage... then he goes to jail (reputation all lost- again cos of the villains and his mom) now he is getting into a loveless marriage and will never be happy again.. so I see that in the end both are badly suffering. I guess all these points matter more for the girl cos the guy can still live in society and no one will say anything but everyone will point out at the girl. That is why I want things to be sorted out and both of them to get together and the villains to be punished- Manav and Archana shud get justice for being good and loving people.

i liked your answer very much . Thanks for replying .

Today when I wrote this post ...........I used the word stupid not for Manav or Savita............for the glorification of why Archana Hadddd to go back there by many viewers .

I wanted to point out that it is not realistic at all , this expectation of Archana going there and now grovelling even more to save her marraige this time . It is stupid , senseless , and not at all romantic . For it is downright unfair .

I think the crush on Manav was so great that many viewers totally lost perspective of right or wrong as the serial progressed . The injustice to Manav was that one resounding slap from Sulochana that is still remembered by many , but it also has to be remembered that the slap came after 15 days of disillusionment that she witnessed observing her daughter's marraige ............greedy dowry demands , threats , the wearing of jewels by Savita , extracting over budget lunches by bringing relatives over ........all watched in growing uneasy silence , and ultimately the LAW accusing Manav of associating with that pimp . The slap , though unfortunate was not unreasonable . Any woman wud have snapped...........Manavs own sainted mom Savita wud have snapped too if Vandu's husband had come across like this . Viewers strangely remember this one slap more and hate Karanjkars for it but do not remember Savita's sick abuse of archu . I find this grossly unfair . Just see what Kaka had told Sulochana about how they wud treat Archu like a beti etc in the house before convincing Sulochana to let her go there . Was Archu treated like a beti ? Yes , 4 people in the house sided mentally with her , but they were ineffective before Savita as days passed by and she gained more and more control . To date , Manav doesn't know about this .

Well,

I have already written my point of view... maybe correct maybe not.. you are more experienced anyways...

The serial has indeed gone topsy turvy, I'm only hoping that they don't damage the character of Manav any more... At the end I only want one thing... to show that ultimately Archana and Manav both succeed in saving their relationship by their joint efforts... to give the message that when one is weak, the other needs to be strong... frankly speaking the ending wud be the best part... it wud make all this mess worthwhile.. but as I have said before also that all that you said makes sense too, the dignity part and all.. thinking from a realistic point of view... maybe no girl wud want to go back... I really don't know what more to say...

I can only hope (and hope that you will also hope) that they don't destroy the story any further... don't destroy Manav's character, make him support Archana, blast his Aai, say No to Shravani, do justice to Archana... I watch this serial cos of this lovable character... if they destroy it then PR is over for me.

PS: Where are the others???

There is one more thing the romantic in me [ if u ever think I am one by my caustic posts ] wants .

I want Manav to go back to archu on his own . Not coz Shravni is noble and releases him from his promise . That wud be a slap for Archu like receiving charity from another woman .

And please... Manav is not all that bad.. there are very few husbands like him who go out of their way to keep the bride and bride's family so happy despite facing all their insults and knowing they are not happy with this marriage... so do consider him.. his mother is bad... no doubt... I just don't want him to pay for it... and I don't want him to marry shravani at all...

actually Manav and Archu's families are exactly like my parents own (well, my Dad's was not so much dysfunctional.. but yeah.. not really perfect..) in the initial episodes my Mom related to the show a lot..so I guess am attached a lot to the serial

I have certain expectations from Manav... hope creatives don't ruin it....

But they never gave him a chance . I wanted to see HIM educating Archana not Sulochana . I wanted to see him caring for her in her pregnancy . They nipped it all in the bud .

The relationship between him and Varsha was growing lovely just like the relation between Archu and Damodar . Now they nipped that too ........we see him telling her dont call me jeeju . I felt so sad seeing that .

The only way Manav will now go to Archi is in these 3 ways

1] Archu saves some one in his family by endangering her life .......for instance Madam Savita

2] Shravani releases Manav from promise [ I shudder at that happening]

3] due to complications Shravni loses baby or she herself dies and baby is brought up by Archu [ again a horrible prospect for a newly wed girl to start her life this way ]. Not fair at all .

Lets see what happens...