Kahan talaash kare - Sameer and Avni

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Posted: 16 years ago
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Warning: Looong post

First of all, regarding the Sameer "marrying" Avni promo, hats off to the Creative team. Your story is fast paced, it's full of twists and turns, you seem to have a grip on the main overall plot – almost every weekend you manage to leave us with a cliffhanger that is genuine, not contrived. Good job. 👏

Coming to Sameer – deep breath…. now that came out of the left field. Simply wasn't expecting it, I thought she would stop him, because, well after all the story progresses if Sameer is in the Gujral mansion – it doesn't make sense for him to leave a second time. But this! No way.

Shocking of course, that Sameer would actually do this. But that is the beauty of his character – Sameer is sheer gut all the way through. He's all impulse, he's all about 'what I want… now!' But what makes him charming is his innate goodness, his innate niceness, and one hopes, his internal brake system when he knows he's going tooooooo far. He's unethical, he's amoral, he can't even see until he is told that what he's doing is wrong. Just as an example: he was willing to kidnap Avni, but in the actual situation – standing there with his palm over her face — he knew he was crossing the line. He knew this was going to damage this girl's life and he couldn't bring himself to do that. His hand was loosening, he was about to let her go even before Damini appeared on the scene.

He's conscienceless enough to emotionally blackmail Avni, he relishes the power his sexuality gives him over her, he likes it that she's attracted to him, he uses it… but on the other hand, it hurts him to see her unhappy, he wouldn't hurt a hair on her head.

The problem with Sameer is that he's not a bad guy but he's too immediate. He's too in the NOW. Unlike Prithvi, he can't see ahead that this action will have a consequence. He can't see that what he is impelled to do at this moment could have grave implications, could in fact be a huge betrayal of someone's trust, that it is very unjust to someone else. To him, it's a huge game in which he's the winner if he survives that day, no more.

Many commenters feel that in 'marrying' Avni, Sameer is pushed by revenge. I don't think so. I think this guy doesn't know precisely what he's doing, doesn't know exactly what he's feeling. Frankly, Sameer knows that for his purpose of weakening Ila Gujral, it is enough for him to have an entry into the house. He said himself last week that friendship was ok, that love was too complicated.

Then why does he pursue Avni Gujral? One obvious reason of course is that she's a challenge. He knows she likes him, he knows she loves him and it is maddening for him to have her resist. He simply can't understand it, because for Sameer there is no difference between feeling and doing – if you want something and it's in front of you, you reach out and take it. Avni knows that feelings are one thing, to actually do something about it is another matter entirely – she knows she must guard herself.

The second possible reason – and you know where I'm going with this — is that Sameer loves Avni. He can't bear it if she doesn't smile at him, it kills him when she turns away from him. "Har baar muh pher leti ho, Avni…" - he can't take it.

He knows now that she's not as weak-willed as she seems. She has made up her mind that she doesn't trust him enough, not yet anyway…. and he has moved heaven and earth to convince her, tried to manipulate her in every way he knows – she hasn't given in. I appreciate how they've developed Avni. She won't make grand speeches but underneath her tears and her soft nature, she's got a core of steel. Also, she has very acute antennae for sincerity. She subconsciously knows when Sameer is in 'nautanki' mode. None of Sameer's persuasions have worked – she has made up her mind and that quite frankly is that. Sameer is coming to realise that his chui mui is in fact no pushover.

Avni is the sort of girl who believes in symbols. Marriage to her means something more than a social commitment – it's an emotional belonging. Sameer, I suspect, is also like that. He's made this 'maang' gesture out of frustration but I think he means it. At one level, Sameer is chomping at the bit to prove to Avni that she misunderstood him. And the truth is she DID misunderstand him. She asked him if he would be able to stand by her all his life – his instinctive gut answer was "YES". He kept silent for other reasons, disappeared from her life for completely different reasons. He knows that Avni thinks he backed out on an emotional promise, which was not true. He can never explain it to her, but somehow he must convince her, somehow he must commit to her.

What will happen now? I feel we're in for exciting times. Did you guys notice how utterly content Avni looked hugging Sameer? It was beautiful. Also she had her eyes closed in this completely "I surrender" manner when he was actually applying the sindoor. I don't think he's taken her by surprise, I think she has consented to this, in her heart at least. How would it be if Avni, now that she's sure of Sameer, starts being demonstrative? What if she's happy in her love and begins to show it? Allows him to lift hair off her face, smiles at him, and submits to his persistent embraces? Sameer who was a goner on the tidbits she was throwing him is going to go mad. Ladies (and gentlemen, if there are any), he won't know what hit him. *Ooohhh, shivers.*

I hope they keep it secret – I can see shades of Parineeta in the situation.

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My title is from this sher:

Kahan talaash kare aur apni khushiyon ko

Tumhare paas nahin ab to dhoondhna kya hai

Trans:

Where do I search now for my happiness

If it isn't with you, then what is the point of looking further?

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Posted: 16 years ago
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i agree with u. i kno for sure that sameer is in love with avni. and he doesnt care anymore of anything else.he has to prove it to her that he is goin to stand by her the rest of their lives. but the problem is wut is prithvi gonna say after knowing all this.ooo this show is geting exciting everytime man.i lov this show mainly coz of gaurav khanna and also the show.god it is amazing man
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Bubble .. thats a fabulousss post!!!! 👏 👏 👏 👏 LOVED it!!!
Ofcourse .. the coming weeks are gonna be super exciting where SaVni are concerned .. this whole marriage thing is gonna turn around a lot of things .. gonna turn their lives around! Not just SaVni .. but even the rest of them! Its a HUGE step .. impulsive yes .. but huge!! And yes, I agree with you about the creatives .. Hats off to them for giving us such moments at the end of the week ... leaving us gasping and wanting more!!!! 👏 👏 👏 👏
What I loved about your post .. was how you put across Sameer's feelings/thoughts! All this while, most here were thinking of him as this ruthless cold-blooded guy who does not really care of what he is doing to Avni. But truly, their first meeting .. when he tried to kidnap her .. portrayed his feelings to the core! And yes .. he cannot take NO for an answer .. which is why he probably has gone to this extreme!
And I totally agree with you on Avni's reaction in the promo .. she looks so happy & content! Awww .. Guess that is one of the reasons why many are angry with Sameer .. everyone knows Avni is gonna breakdown when she finds out the truth! But hopefully by then .. we'll see Sameer love her like no one else!
Am really looking forward to this track .. And even though this whole revenge thing is looming large and can be annoying ... it still is bringing out the best in all!
Am loving it! 👍🏼
P.S - Loved the chui mui bit!! 😆
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Nice post.
Loved the way u analysed Sam's feelings. Also, the title of your post is as beautiful as the savni hug after putting the sindoor
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Posted: 16 years ago
#5

HE SAYS---apne pyar ko prove karne ke liye.....mayb......he is doing it for his own love....😍.what do u think??? Anyways...good ...looong...analysis.....well done....😃😃😃...btw its not a shaadi..dont know why pplr calling it a shadi......bcs remeber.....da bothers said that they r gonna marry 2gather.....in one mandap....

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Posted: 16 years ago
#6

Originally posted by: soapbubble

Warning: Looong post

First of all, regarding the Sameer "marrying" Avni promo, hats off to the Creative team. Your story is fast paced, it's full of twists and turns, you seem to have a grip on the main overall plot ' almost every weekend you manage to leave us with a cliffhanger that is genuine, not contrived. Good job. 👏

Shocking of course, that Sameer would actually do this. But that is the beauty of his character ' Sameer is sheer gut all the way through. He's all impulse, he's all about 'what I want' now!' But what makes him charming is his innate goodness, his innate niceness, and one hopes, his internal brake system when he knows he's going tooooooo far. He's unethical, he's amoral, he can't even see until he is told that what he's doing is wrong. Just as an example: he was willing to kidnap Avni, but in the actual situation ' standing there with his palm over her face ' he knew he was crossing the line. He knew this was going to damage this girl's life and he couldn't bring himself to do that. His hand was loosening, he was about to let her go even before Damini appeared on the scene.

He's conscienceless enough to emotionally blackmail Avni, he relishes the power his sexuality gives him over her, he likes it that she's attracted to him, he uses it' but on the other hand, it hurts him to see her unhappy, he wouldn't hurt a hair on her head.

The problem with Sameer is that he's not a bad guy but he's too immediate. He's too in the NOW. Unlike Prithvi, he can't see ahead that this action will have a consequence. He can't see that what he is impelled to do at this moment could have grave implications, could in fact be a huge betrayal of someone's trust, that it is very unjust to someone else. To him, it's a huge game in which he's the winner if he survives that day, no more.

Many commenters feel that in 'marrying' Avni, Sameer is pushed by revenge. I don't think so. I think this guy doesn't know precisely what he's doing, doesn't know exactly what he's feeling. Frankly, Sameer knows that for his purpose of weakening Ila Gujral, it is enough for him to have an entry into the house. He said himself last week that friendship was ok, that love was too complicated.

Then why does he pursue Avni Gujral? One obvious reason of course is that she's a challenge. He knows she likes him, he knows she loves him and it is maddening for him to have her resist. He simply can't understand it, because for Sameer there is no difference between feeling and doing ' if you want something and it's in front of you, you reach out and take it. Avni knows that feelings are one thing, to actually do something about it is another matter entirely ' she knows she must guard herself.

He knows now that she's not as weak-willed as she seems. She has made up her mind that she doesn't trust him enough, not yet anyway'. and he has moved heaven and earth to convince her, tried to manipulate her in every way he knows ' she hasn't given in. I appreciate how they've developed Avni. She won't make grand speeches but underneath her tears and her soft nature, she's got a core of steel. Also, she has very acute antennae for sincerity. She subconsciously knows when Sameer is in 'nautanki' mode. None of Sameer's persuasions have worked ' she has made up her mind and that quite frankly is that. Sameer is coming to realise that his chui mui is in fact no pushover.

Avni is the sort of girl who believes in symbols. Marriage to her means something more than a social commitment ' it's an emotional belonging. Sameer, I suspect, is also like that. He's made this 'maang' gesture out of frustration but I think he means it. At one level, Sameer is chomping at the bit to prove to Avni that she misunderstood him. And the truth is she DID misunderstand him. She asked him if he would be able to stand by her all his life ' his instinctive gut answer was "YES". He kept silent for other reasons, disappeared from her life for completely different reasons. He knows that Avni thinks he backed out on an emotional promise, which was not true. He can never explain it to her, but somehow he must convince her, somehow he must commit to her.

What will happen now? I feel we're in for exciting times. Did you guys notice how utterly content Avni looked hugging Sameer? It was beautiful. Also she had her eyes closed in this completely "I surrender" manner when he was actually applying the sindoor. I don't think he's taken her by surprise, I think she has consented to this, in her heart at least. How would it be if Avni, now that she's sure of Sameer, starts being demonstrative? What if she's happy in her love and begins to show it? Allows him to lift hair off her face, smiles at him, and submits to his persistent embraces? Sameer who was a goner on the tidbits she was throwing him is going to go mad. Ladies (and gentlemen, if there are any), he won't know what hit him. *Ooohhh, shivers.*


Oh my what a fantastic post👏 And i completely agree with the above.

U have brought out the complexity of both the characters beautifully especially Sameer.

For a change, i am waiting for this track to play out for two reasons, i want sameer to fall hard for Avni and realize it too and i want to see how Avni evolves from now on.

And like u correctly put it, it will have shades of parineeta i guess.

Something great to look forward, just wish Sameer atleast gets a job like his brothers soon.



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Posted: 16 years ago
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first off great topic!
beautifully written post!!👏i love how you analyzed the character's perspectives and feedback. you understood sameer and avni's character in which no one on IF has ever fully noticed...

as for sameer, i agree with you. avni is pretty much a "hard-to-get" challenge for him which in a way kind of attracts him toward her...if you think about it, sameer thinks that he can get any girl with a snap of a finger...now avni is much more than that...she is different to him because he is used to being around girls who are all over him...avni seems much more exciting to him even though she might seem plain and boring...but whenever she backs away from him at his touch, he gets confused as to why she she reacts that way henceforth, interests him more to get closer to her and understand her even more.

and i completely agree with you on how avni's character is developed...she might be weak and innocent but also bold and one who is not afraid to speak her mind

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Posted: 16 years ago
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Wow! Bubble, that was beautiful..⭐️LOVED reading it..You said it all, everything that needed to be said about Sam-Avni ..

This track didn't shock me as much as it did others, and I too think with this LNMDJ is staying true to its tradition of surprising us and keeping us interested..Frankly speaking, I think this twist has made Sam-Avni a lot more interesting than they've ever been, at least to me..This has brought a lot of dimensions to their equation, added a whole lot of emotion and drama to their angle..


Originally posted by: soapbubble

Then why does he pursue Avni Gujral? One obvious reason of course is that she's a challenge. He knows she likes him, he knows she loves him and it is maddening for him to have her resist. He simply can't understand it, because for Sameer there is no difference between feeling and doing ' if you want something and it's in front of you, you reach out and take it. Avni knows that feelings are one thing, to actually do something about it is another matter entirely ' she knows she must guard herself.

The second possible reason ' and you know where I'm going with this ' is that Sameer loves Avni. He can't bear it if she doesn't smile at him, it kills him when she turns away from him. "Har baar muh pher leti ho, Avni'" - he can't take it.

@ The bolded part..Word..It happens in real life too with guys..I have seen guys go mad if the girl they're pursuing has feelings for them too and they know it, and she denies it, doesn't want to accept it or doesn't want to take it any further than that because of her reasons. (Maybe because she isn't ready for a relationship at that time, or because she doesn't trust that guy, or she's afraid to commit..)It drives a guy mad and he'll go to the end of the world for her, go to the moon (metaphorically speaking), to have that girl say yes, to have her surrender to her feelings.


And like you say, that was what I too thought when I saw the promo,.Sam just CAN'T be doing this for revenge only..We all know, deep down Sam is a good guy, and that he's selfish by nature..He won't even go to this extent for his family alone, no matter how much he loves his dad, and wants to avenge his death. There's a very selfish reason behind him pursuing Avni too, and then there is what he feels for her..He can't take her 'no' anymore..It drives him nuts..He's probably become possessive of her, and the fact that she reciprocates his feelings but denies it makes her all the more charming, enigmatic and interesting to him..He's doing this for revenge, yes, but he's also doing it because he has feelings for her deep down, he loves her, he'll know someday..


Anyways, you said it all and I'm just blabbering..

Originally posted by: soapbubble

What will happen now? I feel we're in for exciting times. Did you guys notice how utterly content Avni looked hugging Sameer? It was beautiful. Also she had her eyes closed in this completely "I surrender" manner when he was actually applying the sindoor. I don't think he's taken her by surprise, I think she has consented to this, in her heart at least. How would it be if Avni, now that she's sure of Sameer, starts being demonstrative? What if she's happy in her love and begins to show it? Allows him to lift hair off her face, smiles at him, and submits to his persistent embraces? Sameer who was a goner on the tidbits she was throwing him is going to go mad. Ladies (and gentlemen, if there are any), he won't know what hit him. *Ooohhh, shivers.*



Yes, that will be what saves Sam, that will be what makes him realize what she means to him..

Excuse the long reply, Bubble..Got carried away..😳

Your post rocks..
Edited by Who-I-Used-2-Be - 16 years ago
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Posted: 16 years ago
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WOW!....And with a capital W. This is so so so so well analyzed and written. And considering what sort of a bag of complexities Sam is , you have done an awesome job. There were so many things that I had not thought of before - the kidnapping logic, Avni's surrender. You have rounded them up very well.

A beautiful comment on the human vices and virtues.

FANTASTIC!👏
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Posted: 16 years ago
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@ sarojshristi, sistu, kasturi Thanks, guys!

@ lovey29 well, yes, I suppose they'll finally have a wedding function, but I think Sameer and Avni are going to FEEL married - and ooooh that is so sexy. 😳

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