MayUr - Growth and Development

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Posted: 16 years ago
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Umm actually I've been wanting to make this post for a loooong time, but never found the time or the effort to do so...

I see a HUGE disparity in MayUr's characters then and their characters now. I mean look at Mayank - from an A class sarcastic nerd who frowns upon all this idea of filmy romance to a lover who mouths lines as 'pyaar mein koi paani level nahin dikhta hai' and then Nupur who actually IS just the same when in love as she was before love... The way she treated Mayank for the locket ka drama is very reminiscent of how she treated Mayank when they were staunch rivals.... There is hardly ANY growth to her character at all! Besides the hug and the lowey-dovey stares of her, does she really look like she is in love? She treats Mayank as her servant... Heck she gives more respect to Samrat other than Mayank 😕

This is mainly where I think the creatives have failed.. There is something called moderation... But over here, its either full-change or NO change at all.... None of the strategies are sensible or realistic... Mayank's character has been changed (and IMO butchered) so much that he's hardly recognizable... Noone changes their entire personality so quickly without any MAJOR development... We were never shown the transition from Mayank's original personality to this bhondu-ish version of Mayank properly or even at all... Its just like one day he woke up, and voila he turned to Mappu-man... This is NOT proper development of the character, THIS is a personality-transplant!!! Sure people change when they fall in lowe, thats true... But no-one changes this MUCH and that too so quickly... I mean this mayank is so unrecognizable and unlike the original Mayank that the original Mayank would be LAUGHING his head off at this mayank's antics... This in my opinion is a complete cop-out from the creative's side... Instead of dwelling into Mayank's motivations, what makes him tick, why he is the nerd that he is today, how he copes up with having no father figure in his life, why is he so ambitious?, why he is so cynical, why is he so averse to the idea of romance, why he has fallen in lowe with Nupur and then proceeding from that set-point... They've given us a complete personality transplant into a guy who cannot stop thinking about lowe, and revolves his entire life around Nupur! Ambitions, studies, his values/principles, all the cynicism and aloofness, sab bhaad mein gaye! ....

And then there's Nupur... Now with Nupur, I find the problem with her character to be entirely opposite... Where Mayanks character has undergone a 360 degrees change from his original personality to the current one... Nupur's character hasn't budged at all... Infact she is the same now, that she is in lowe with Mayank, like she was before, when Mayank was her staunch rival... Like everyone over here says, love changes ppl, but WHERE is the change in Nupur's character? Or is this rule only applicable to the male gender? 😛... Again, aside from the first two-three months, creatives have completely failed to dwelve properly into Nupur's character and her motivation... When I first saw Nupur, I marvelled at her character... I thought here is one character who is undeniably complex... She is human and has her own flaws.... One thing I find absolutely remarkable about Nupur is her childlike optimism and faith in the good in the world around her... She puts herself out there constantly, expecting to succeed... This makes her very naive for sure, but also so childlike, endearing and vulnerable in all of that (as evidenced by her constant need to fit in, and the pre-beach scenes, the beach scene, also evidenced in the first MN hug and the barn scene)... But after that, the creatives have completely failed to dwelve into that childlike 'vulnerability' aspect of Nupur which in my opinion is a MAJOR transgression from the creatives side because that childlike 'vulnerability' FORMS the VERY ESSENCE of Nupur's character... This is precisely why I feel that Nupur's character hasn't grown at alll... Had she have grown, we would've seen a softer, more serious, happier, funnier and a much more loving Nupur who was much more in touch with her vulnerability than the version we see now...

Okay, leaving aside the poor job the creatives have done with MayUr's character, I feel they've done an even more mediocre job with regards to MN's storyline, and the growth and development of their feelings and their couple... During my first story-writing class, my english teacher told me that a cardinal rule of novel-writing, or story-writing is that to NEVER move the plot at the expense of the characters... And the creatives have broken this VERY cardinal rule... Mayank and Nupur and their original complex characters have been reduced to mere comic-reliefs just for a few laughs and to move forward the episodes ... For instance, Nupur's continuous inability to say the words 'I love you' to Mayank even when logically this is the SAME Nupur who went and hugged Mayank when they were not on proper speaking terms because she was so scared in the jungle... The SAME Nupur who when drunk openly compliments Mayank in the barn scene... The SAME Nupur who just couldn't resist hugging Mayank (in the Fanaa dance I mean)... The SAME Nupur who is in love with the idea of love... The extrovert person who is very affectionate by nature... The SAME Nupur can't say the three measly words to Mayank? If this is not furthering the plot at the character's expense, then what is??? 😕😆 This is not the only time the creatives have furthered MN's plot at MN's expense... This whole locket ka drama is another example... made up and written just so ultimately we get some incriminating evidence against Sheena... Did the creatives even put any thought as to whether these scenes were even understandable and consistent with the characters of Mayank and Nupur? Any thought as to whether these scenes fit in with the basic character sketches of Mayank and Nupur? Nahin... they just had to further the plot naa, who cares about Mayank and Nupur and their characters?

This 'putting plot before the characters' is not the only grievance I have with the Mayank-Nupur track... Its also the implicit-message being sent out that I feel is highly flawed and unrealistic... The implicit message being that, in love you should just accept any verbal humiliations and do your lovers bidding whether you agree with her or not... Forget yourself, and your self-respect, your lover has asked you to jump in a deep pool to locate some unexpensive cheesy locket you should go do it... You should lose your entire individuality, forget your principles, forget your likes/dislikes, your values and turn into everything your lover wants you to become... Thats the only way you'll have a healthy relationship 😊... And on the other side of the spectrum... there is an implicit message being sent out that its OK and infact even applaudable to make your boyfriend follow your every command... Thats its OK to not talk to your boyfriend just because he disagrees with you... Thats its OK to make your boyfriend run through hoops and jump in pools and possibly risk his life so that he can recover the cheesy unexpensive locket you gifted him, because as we know, lockets are much more important than your boyfriend itself! 😳 ..

Sarcasm aside, is this really a healthy applaudable idea of love? THIS is what we're expected to SWOON over? 😕 The words 'I love you' aren't possible if there's no I (in case of Mayank) and if there's no you (in case of Nupur)... It takes TWO people to make a relationship work not just one... But over here tho, I see a completely unequal relationship... This would be fine had it been before Nupur fell in love and both of them not confessed their feelings, but even AFTER Nupur fell in love and they confessed their feelings, there's this same inequality in their relationship? 😕 Why does it have to be two extremes? Mayank, on one hand, completely loses his sense of identity and becomes a puppet to Nupur's whims and Nupur, on the other hand, is so uncompromising and unforgiving that she can't even excuse her boyfriend for losing a do-kaudi ka locket, and has to make him pay back by humiliating him? 😕 WHERE is the love over here? All I see is just obsession, infatuation and lust... Love contains elements of passion too, but its also compassionate... Kahaan hai woh compassion, woh generosity? 😕 A healthy relationship is one where BOTH characters give and take... Par here tho, its just the opposite, two bloody extremes... Seriously am I supposed to swoon and faint at THIS stuff? 😕

In conclusion, I've to say the creatives have really done NO justice with the characters of Mayank and Nupur at all, be it with regards to their growth and development, their consistency, their plot or their couple dynamics... Which is a pity really, because they really had the potential to hit a sixer with this couple, being how unique and brilliantly sketched Mayank and Nupur's original characters and couple were.

PS. Please excuse my lack of coherency over here... I wrote this like in one-go, typing down whatever came into my head at the moment and so did not properly proof-read it....


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Posted: 16 years ago
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Excellent post, Sonia! You've elucidated all the issues with what they've done with MN in this show very clearly!

Now currently I"m a bit vented out about MN, so I'll get back to this post when I gather my thoughts again...LOL
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: nureat01

Excellent post, Sonia! You've elucidated all the issues with what they've done with MN in this show very clearly!

Now currently I"m a bit vented out about MN, so I'll get back to this post when I gather my thoughts again...LOL



Lol Anu, I completely understand... I'm surprised you could read through all of that, coz I was just writing down whatever came into my head at this point... Thats why the lack of coherency! Thanks for commenting too! 🤗
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Posted: 16 years ago
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It's not an incoherent post at all, Sonia......it's very very coherent! You've actually listed out each point perfectly!

So in general you lurk silently hitting the like button in every post and then you come out with a combined dhamaaka like this?? ;-) LOL
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Posted: 16 years ago
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@Sonia: Really good post... But since I have no feelings/thoughts about MN anymore, I have nothing to reply with... But I shall do this.... *sits on the agree button to make it registerrrrrrr humungous amounts of agreement* :P :P :P :P :P
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: nureat01

It's not an incoherent post at all, Sonia......it's very very coherent! You've actually listed out each point perfectly!

So in general you lurk silently hitting the like button in every post and then you come out with a combined dhamaaka like this?? ;-) LOL



LOL haha more or less you could say so! 😆 Actually I'm always ready to make posts and stuff but I just need that extra push or you know like some impetus... Today actually it was like a combination of all factors giving me the impetus to write such a big essay! Goshhhh if only I could analyse like this in English class! 😆
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Hey Sonia
exactly my thoughts ........i dont get the creatives there is no balance in the characterization ..if sam doesnt realise his love for gunjan.....nupur's realization is instant....mayank changes 180 degrees in love......nupur doesnt make any effort to change for her love ....gunjan- cant say much abt her .......i think only the side characters like benjy ,uday and dia have some consistency and balance in them as the creatives dont focus much on them!!!!
I have said so many times that character ruining is Mjht 's second name !!!! All 4 have been ruined to an extent !!!!!
Thats why i feel the original flavor of Mjht has been lost ...and i dont find myself enjoying the show as i use to .The freshness and charm the show offered initially are no longer to be found!!!
-Pooja
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: darkness_123

@Sonia: Really good post... But since I have no feelings/thoughts about MN anymore, I have nothing to reply with... But I shall do this.... *sits on the agree button to make it registerrrrrrr humungous amounts of agreement* :P :P :P :P :P



LMAO Nimmi... Hahaha I didn't really expect you to READ and comment on this post! 😆 But yeah, lol its okay if you have nothing to reply with! Reading it and liking it is enough! 🤗
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: meteora_smt

Umm actually I've been wanting to make this post for a loooong time, but never found the time or the effort to do so...

I see a HUGE disparity in MayUr's characters then and their characters now. I mean look at Mayank - from an A class sarcastic nerd who frowns upon all this idea of filmy romance to a lover who mouths lines as 'pyaar mein koi paani level nahin dikhta hai' and then Nupur who actually IS just the same when in love as she was before love... The way she treated Mayank for the locket ka drama is very reminiscent of how she treated Mayank when they were staunch rivals.... There is hardly ANY growth to her character at all! Besides the hug and the lowey-dovey stares of her, does she really look like she is in love? She treats Mayank as her servant... Heck she gives more respect to Samrat other than Mayank 😕Ditto.... Nupur treats Mayank the same except now instead of giving it back to her he has become her paltu kutta who will "fetch" for her whenever she says only because he is in "LOWE"... He has no self respect left at all and he used to be my fav character in this show and now he is the worst..


This is mainly where I think the creatives have failed.. There is something called moderation... But over here, its either full-change or NO change at all.... None of the strategies are sensible or realistic... Mayank's character has been changed (and IMO butchered) so much that he's hardly recognizable... Noone changes their entire personality so quickly without any MAJOR development... We were never shown the transition from Mayank's original personality to this bhondu-ish version of Mayank properly or even at all... Its just like one day he woke up, and voila he turned to Mappu-man... This is NOT proper development of the character, THIS is a personality-transplant!!! Sure people change when they fall in lowe, thats true... But no-one changes this MUCH and that too so quickly... I mean this mayank is so unrecognizable and unlike the original Mayank that the original Mayank would be LAUGHING his head off at this mayank's antics... This in my opinion is a complete cop-out from the creative's side... Instead of dwelling into Mayank's motivations, what makes him tick, why he is the nerd that he is today, how he copes up with having no father figure in his life, why is he so ambitious?, why he is so cynical, why is he so averse to the idea of romance, why he has fallen in lowe with Nupur and then proceeding from that set-point... They've given us a complete personality transplant into a guy who cannot stop thinking about lowe, and revolves his entire life around Nupur! Ambitions, studies, his values/principles, all the cynicism and aloofness, sab bhaad mein gaye! .... Mayank- The subtelty they had right after the confession was what was Mayank like.. Him asking her "Violin baje?" and Nupur replying "pura orchestra baja tha".. THAT is Mayank not someone who gets cheezy instead of sarcy.. And just like you put it.. If this was Samrat behaving like this we could understand it better considering Samrat is shown to be like the type who might go gaga over someone he is in love with. Mayank who told Nupur "tumhara rajkumar woh hona chahiye jo tumhe pasand kare..tumhari hairstyle ko nahi" is changing not just his hairstyle but himself entirely... What I find hard to comprehend is that the guy skipped all his classes to take a woman out on the "cardboard" date.. I mean what kind of Mayank would do that.. Ooops.. this one i guess.. Again my fav character in this show has been ruined soo much that I can't stand his lines anymore.

And then there's Nupur... Now with Nupur, I find the problem with her character to be entirely opposite... Where Mayanks character has undergone a 360 degrees change from his original personality to the current one... Nupur's character hasn't budged at all... Infact she is the same now, that she is in lowe with Mayank, like she was before, when Mayank was her staunch rival... Like everyone over here says, love changes ppl, but WHERE is the change in Nupur's character? Or is this rule only applicable to the male gender? 😛... Again, aside from the first two-three months, creatives have completely failed to dwelve properly into Nupur's character and her motivation... When I first saw Nupur, I marvelled at her character... I thought here is one character who is undeniably complex... She is human and has her own flaws.... One thing I find absolutely remarkable about Nupur is her childlike optimism and faith in the good in the world around her... She puts herself out there constantly, expecting to succeed... This makes her very naive for sure, but also so childlike, endearing and vulnerable in all of that (as evidenced by her constant need to fit in, and the pre-beach scenes, the beach scene, also evidenced in the first MN hug and the barn scene)... But after that, the creatives have completely failed to dwelve into that childlike 'vulnerability' aspect of Nupur which in my opinion is a MAJOR transgression from the creatives side because that childlike 'vulnerability' FORMS the VERY ESSENCE of Nupur's character... This is precisely why I feel that Nupur's character hasn't grown at alll... Had she have grown, we would've seen a softer, more serious, happier, funnier and a much more loving Nupur who was much more in touch with her vulnerability than the version we see now... Sorry... but yes... some people change in love and some don't.. As it suits the fans.. Thats the reply you will get here from all the "loyal" MN fans.. As much as I loved her character I fail to understand how she suddenly fell in love overnight.. That part is still very much beyond me till now. I thought once they fall in love along with Mayank enjoying her childish crap he will also try to make her realize how stupid it might appear sometimes. ISn't that what people do in love?? I thought maybe they both will laugh off whenever Nupur does something stupid like that fancy dress time.. Instead here even Mayank has lost his senses and is joining Nupur in her nautanki. All I want now is one just ONE sensible heart to heart convo between them.. too much to ask I guess..

Okay, leaving aside the poor job the creatives have done with MayUr's character, I feel they've done an even more mediocre job with regards to MN's storyline, and the growth and development of their feelings and their couple... During my first story-writing class, my english teacher told me that a cardinal rule of novel-writing, or story-writing is that to NEVER move the plot at the expense of the characters... And the creatives have broken this VERY cardinal rule... Mayank and Nupur and their original complex characters have been reduced to mere comic-reliefs just for a few laughs and to move forward the episodes ... For instance, Nupur's continuous inability to say the words 'I love you' to Mayank even when logically this is the SAME Nupur who went and hugged Mayank when they were not on proper speaking terms because she was so scared in the jungle... The SAME Nupur who when drunk openly compliments Mayank in the barn scene... The SAME Nupur who just couldn't resist hugging Mayank (in the Fanaa dance I mean)... The SAME Nupur who is in love with the idea of love... The extrovert person who is very affectionate by nature... The SAME Nupur can't say the three measly words to Mayank? If this is not furthering the plot at the character's expense, then what is??? 😕😆 This is not the only time the creatives have furthered MN's plot at MN's expense... This whole locket ka drama is another example... made up and written just so ultimately we get some incriminating evidence against Sheena... Did the creatives even put any thought as to whether these scenes were even understandable and consistent with the characters of Mayank and Nupur? Any thought as to whether these scenes fit in with the basic character sketches of Mayank and Nupur? Nahin... they just had to further the plot naa, who cares about Mayank and Nupur and their characters? Yup... by now you should know who the "lead" couple of the show is... Its ok to ruin MN track as long as SG get their share of wonderfulness... And the three words she is not being able to say is not bothering me as much as Mayank FORCING her to do so... Why can't he just let it be... It would be sooo much more amazing if she just blurted it out one day instead of seeing him constantly forcing her to do so. You are soo right when you say they are changing the characters to suit the storyline of everyone else around them. Infact, even during the whole play drama when MN were supposed to be the focus, their characters were butchered to such an extent with no hopes of reviving them.

This 'putting plot before the characters' is not the only grievance I have with the Mayank-Nupur track... Its also the implicit-message being sent out that I feel is highly flawed and unrealistic... The implicit message being that, in love you should just accept any verbal humiliations and do your lovers bidding whether you agree with her or not... Forget yourself, and your self-respect, your lover has asked you to jump in a deep pool to locate some unexpensive cheesy locket you should go do it... You should lose your entire individuality, forget your principles, forget your likes/dislikes, your values and turn into everything your lover wants you to become... Thats the only way you'll have a healthy relationship 😊... And on the other side of the spectrum... there is an implicit message being sent out that its OK and infact even applaudable to make your boyfriend follow your every command... Thats its OK to not talk to your boyfriend just because he disagrees with you... Thats its OK to make your boyfriend run through hoops and jump in pools and possibly risk his life so that he can recover the cheesy unexpensive locket you gifted him, because as we know, lockets are much more important than your boyfriend itself! 😳 .. That's true and if you were in love you would know that.. How can people who have never experienced love understand what it means to fetch a cheezy locket from the pool for your GF who you have only been with for less than a month.. Why should we expect to learn some message from this show.. After all this show is just for entertainment, yeah? In LOWEE everything changes... The measly Nupur who was scared to compete against Mayank becomes his boss and Mayank loses his self respect and dignity to play fetch with his malkin.. Did I mention that Mayank used to be my favorite character and how much I dislike him now in this show??

Sarcasm aside, is this really a healthy applaudable idea of love? THIS is what we're expected to SWOON over? 😕 The words 'I love you' aren't possible if there's no I (in case of Mayank) and if there's no you (in case of Nupur)... It takes TWO people to make a relationship work not just one... But over here tho, I see a completely unequal relationship... This would be fine had it been before Nupur fell in love and both of them not confessed their feelings, but even AFTER Nupur fell in love and they confessed their feelings, there's this same inequality in their relationship? 😕 Why does it have to be two extremes? Mayank, on one hand, completely loses his sense of identity and becomes a puppet to Nupur's whims and Nupur, on the other hand, is so uncompromising and unforgiving that she can't even excuse her boyfriend for losing a do-kaudi ka locket, and has to make him pay back by humiliating him? 😕 WHERE is the love over here? All I see is just obsession, infatuation and lust... Love contains elements of passion too, but its also compassionate... Kahaan hai woh compassion, woh generosity? 😕 A healthy relationship is one where BOTH characters give and take... Par here tho, its just the opposite, two bloody extremes... Seriously am I supposed to swoon and faint at THIS stuff? 😕
👏👏 Applauding you over the red bit.. Along with no I and You... There is also no love.. Love isn't just about hugging and saying those three words or making the grandest "cardboard" date for your Gf... Its abou understanding each other.. but that comes with conversation.. getting to know each which hasn't happened in MN's case ever. Love is about trusting each other... but here both of them are busy proving that they love each other. Nupur doesn't trust Mayank's love for her and hence makes him prove it through the locket crap and Mayank doesn't trust Nupur so he wants her to explicitly say the "3 words" instead of just knowing and trusting that she feels it. And as far as the bolded bit goes..

In conclusion, I've to say the creatives have really done NO justice with the characters of Mayank and Nupur at all, be it with regards to their growth and development, their consistency, their plot or their couple dynamics... Which is a pity really, because they really had the potential to hit a sixer with this couple, being how unique and brilliantly sketched Mayank and Nupur's original characters and couple were. So true... I started watching this show with the MN beach scene.. It caught my attention.. The uniqueness of their characters... I can't believe both of those characters have been ruined sooo badly. The creatives have dug their own ditch and the characters of MN are falling deeper and deeper into it where soon they will come to a point with no turning back. Obviously the creatives will once again turn a deaf ear to all of this complaining and the true fans of this couple will come attacking you over this topic.. Watch out..

PS. Please excuse my lack of coherency over here... I wrote this like in one-go, typing down whatever came into my head at the moment and so did not properly proof-read it....


One last thing I want to add along with every point you made is that extremely talented actors like AB and RP are caught in the midst of all this. It feels sad to see that Rati who is one of the most natural actors I have seen on television is being reduced down to this. Why do these two have to put up with all the nonsense in their characters? And why are they still tolerating all this crap is just beyond me. If only RP and AB would leave this show I would just stop watching it once and for all..
Edited by nehlove - 16 years ago
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Posted: 16 years ago
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ohh what a lovely post..i so agree with u..!!!
mayank-nupur r such greatly originated characters,n how they have been trashed,we could have SO much with them,but every thing is eitheer too rushed or to slow..i hated the nupur realisation part..what the hell was that.....?

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