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Posted: 16 years ago
#21

Originally posted by: jingjing

awesom update avinash bhaiya..

here is the complete song...

Avadh ke vaasi kaise atyaachaari
Ram siya ke madhya rachi samdeh ki 1 chingaari
kalankit kar di nishkalank naari

CHINTIT SIYA AAYE NA KOI AANCH PATI SAMMAN PAR
DHEERAV RAHE MAHARAJ BHI SITA KE VAN PRASTHAN PAR
MAMTAMAYI MAAO KE NAATE PAR BHI PALA PAR GAYA
GURUDEV GURUJAN JAISE SABKE MUKH PE TALA PAR GAYA
SIYA KO LAKHAN BITHAKE RATH ME
CHHOD AAYE KAANTON KE PATH ME
GYAAN CHETNA NAGAR VASIYON NE JAN SAB KHO DAALI
TAB ASHAAY SIYA KE EK MAHARSHI BANE RAKHVAALI
VALMIKI JI MIL GAYE SIYA KO JANAK SAMAAN
PUTRI BANA VATSALYA VAT ASHRAM ME DIYA STHAAN
Divya deep devi ne jalaye Raam ke do sut Siya ne jaaye

shrotagan Sita ek raaj kanya hai raaj rani hai naari jati ko mahima mandit karne vali ye mahanaari vanvaas ko gareema pradaan kar vaha apne din kaise bita rahi hai iski 1 jhalak prastut hai..

Nange paaon nadiya se bharke laati hai neer neer neer se vishad ke nayan na bhigaati hai
lakdiya kaatti hai dhan but chhatti hai vidhna ke baan seh seh muskati hai
kartavya bhaavna ki chakki ke do baato me vo bina prativaad kiye pisti hi jaati hai
aise me bhi putron ko sikhake saare sanskaar swavlambi swabhimaani svabal banati hai
vrat upvaas puja anushthan karti hai prati pal naam bas Raam ka hi leti hai
jinke taano ne kiya hriday videen mata unko bhi sada shubhkaamna hi deti hai
Devi pe jo aapda hai vidhi ki vidambhna ya praja ki uthayi hui abhi ki reeti hai
jagat ki naiya ke khivaiya ki hai Rani par swayam ki naiya sita swayam hi kheti hai
bhramit sandehi bas tika tipaddi hi kare kuch nahi sujhe unhe peeche or aage ka
dhobiyon ki drishti bas mael or dhabbe dekhe kapda buna ho chahe kaise hi dhaage ka
swarnkaar swarn me sacchayi ki jachayi kare agni me tapna hi dand hai abhage ka
hridayon ke sthan pe pashaad jahan rakhe vaha kispe prabhaav ho siya ki grah tyaagi ka
mahal me pali badhi mahal me byahi gayi mahal ka jeevan paranu mila naam ka
aise asamay me mahal tyaag van chali samay tha jab dekh rekh vishraam ka
karke sangram Raam lanka se chhudaye laaye kram nahi tuta par jeevan sangram ka
tab vanvaas me nibhaya saath ramji ka ab vanvaas kate diya hua Ram ka

hooooooooooo
karamyogini param punitaaaaa......
maat hamari bhagvati Sita......

hoo...
hum luvkush Raghukul ke taare....
pujya pita shree ram humare....

DHANYA HUM IN CHARANO ME AAKE....
RAMA NIKAT RAMAYAN GAAKE....


Thanks for the lyrics Juhi!!! They really are so nice!
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: _LalithaJanaki_

I bet you anything that they will do it. What haven't they copied so far that wasn't in the previous serial. No doubt Ram will ask them to prove that they were his sons, Kaushalya will rebuke him for being so "hard hearted", and Ram will tell them that if Sita comes and makes the vow, he will accept her back with due honor.


Plenty. Like previously, you predicted that they'd show Rama in Mithila. They did, but they changed so much of that visit, and made it look more believable. In the previous serial, they showed Janak as being upset only about Rama's sorrow but not Sita's plight, and Sunaina upset only about Sita's plight, but not about Rama's action in exiling her. In this serial, they showed Janak initially being outraged, but not upset over each and every protest at Rama's visit (except for Malavika's outburst), while they showed Sunaina upbraiding Rama over his lack of decorum in going into her chamber uninvited. You think that's unchanged from the previous serial?

In this case, there are ways for them to improvize over what they showed last time, particularly since they all the time show Rama grief-stricken over Sita - something they didn't then. What Rama can do, if they have to follow this track, is to tell the boys that look, I know what you are saying is true, but since accepting you as my sons would automatically mean accepting you as my heirs and the people have aspersions about your mother, I cannot, as king, accept you as my sons, even though we all know that you are. That would be a lot less uncouth than the manner in which he said it in the previous serial.

Also, coming to think of it, in the previous serial, when Kush told him that what Valmiki had written was inimmutable, Rama told them that as his sons, they'd be his successors, and hence the need to establish their legitimacy. But why? Bharat was the yuvraj (even though they didn't show any yuvraj being crowned then), so how would Rama accepting them as his sons automatically make them his heirs? He could always have accepted them, but inserted a condition that they couldn't become future rulers of Ayodhya itself, and given them other kingdoms later, just like he did his nephews, and let Bharat and his sons be the successors to Ayodhya. In the real story (sorry to keep bringing it up), when Rama decided to follow Lakshman, he offered the throne to Bharat, not to Kush, and it was Bharat who suggested that Kush and Luv be made kings of 2 separate kingdoms.

So I feel confident enough to take your bet!

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Posted: 16 years ago
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Akhl

I'm planning to upload this singing on YouTube, probably next week. If you translate the above, is it okay for me to copy that translated song (not the whole episode) It will be formatted differently from the way Same108 has done it so far. If you prefer, I'll credit you w/ the translation, and/or change terms in between, where appropriate?

Also, do you have translation to what they sang on Wednesday? Or can you translate that as well?
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Posted: 16 years ago
#24
juhi how did u manage to write the whole lyrics yaar
these words r so mesmerising i must say
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: Chandraketu


Plenty. Like previously, you predicted that they'd show Rama in Mithila. They did, but they changed so much of that visit, and made it look more believable. Not really, Ram was ruder in this serial than the last when visiting Sunaina.🤬 In the previous serial, they showed Janak as being upset only about Rama's sorrow but not Sita's plight, and Sunaina upset only about Sita's plight, but not about Rama's action in exiling her. In this serial, they showed Janak initially being outraged, but not upset over each and every protest at Rama's visit (except for Malavika's outburst), while they showed Sunaina upbraiding Rama over his lack of decorum in going into her chamber uninvited. You think that's unchanged from the previous serial? In the previous serial, Janak knew about Sita's exile before coming to Ayodhya. He had time to accustom himself, to gather his feelings, subdue his outrage and think more clearly, and he also received a letter from Sita in which she requested her father not to show his outrage at Ram, and to comfort him instead because he would be an emotional wreck. In Devi Bhagavatham, there is a story about Raja Janak and the rishi-kumar Suka in which it is revealed that Janak was a gyani, one who knew about all truths of life and was above emotional human attachments. It is not at all surprising that he did not act like the typical enraged father with the shot-gun towards Ram. He himself was a great King, one who knew Raj Dharma and who would have made the same decision about his wife had the occasion made it necessary. Why would he be angry at Ram, who after all loved Sita more than he himself? In this serial, Janak did not know about Sita's exile before coming to Ayodhya. It was a big shock to find out about it from the person who exiled her himself (though Ram didn't really exile her in this serial). To be shocked and maybe even outraged (though I believe it was wrong to show a Maha Gyani Janak have an outburst like that) for awhile, and then support Ram was appropriate for this serial. But since Janak already knew about Sita's exile in the previous, his reaciton there was appropriate for that serial.

In this case, there are ways for them to improvize over what they showed last time, particularly since they all the time show Rama grief-stricken over Sita - something they didn't then. There were many scenes in the previous serial where Rama thought about Sita and grieved over the separation. Unlike in this serial, they did not show his character as weak, but as a strong king who after all had feelings. True, he did weep continuously like here, but the scenes in which they showed Ram reflecting on past times with Sita and being grieved over her separation were more heart-rending than here for me. Here, he only cried all the time, but in the other one, Ram always carried a look of pride when he remembered Sita. He knew she was strong, that she would not give up and would bring up their children as fitting kings of the Raghukul. What Rama can do, if they have to follow this track, is to tell the boys that look, I know what you are saying is true, but since accepting you as my sons would automatically mean accepting you as my heirs and the people have aspersions about your mother, I cannot, as king, accept you as my sons, even though we all know that you are. That would be a lot less uncouth than the manner in which he said it in the previous serial. Ram's question was understandeable. He could not just accept anyone as his sons, even if he did not make them his heirs. He did need proof, and the way Ram said it in the previous serial wasn't uncouth, just straight-forward. He asked them what the proof was, but it was not only to see what they would say, but mostly to hear the opinion of Ayodhya's praja. Half of them said it was unfair to ask them for further proof after hearing Valmiki's narration, but the other half said that one more proof was necessary to make them believe in Sitaji's chastity.

To make the King's sons the next ruler(s) was a tradition of the Raghukul, and as you said, the old serial did not show Bharat becoming Yuvraj, so it was not wrong for Ram to say his sons would be the heirs to the throne. And as potential heirs, it was right to ask them for proof that they were his and Sita's kids and not two random kids from the ashram.


Also, coming to think of it, in the previous serial, when Kush told him that what Valmiki had written was inimmutable, Rama told them that as his sons, they'd be his successors, and hence the need to establish their legitimacy. But why? Bharat was the yuvraj (even though they didn't show any yuvraj being crowned then), so how would Rama accepting them as his sons automatically make them his heirs? He could always have accepted them, but inserted a condition that they couldn't become future rulers of Ayodhya itself, and given them other kingdoms later, just like he did his nephews, and let Bharat and his sons be the successors to Ayodhya. In the real story (sorry to keep bringing it up), when Rama decided to follow Lakshman, he offered the throne to Bharat, not to Kush, and it was Bharat who suggested that Kush and Luv be made kings of 2 separate kingdoms.

So I feel confident enough to take your bet! Sure!😉👍🏼

I suppose there are some differences between this serial and the previous (thank god the previous one did not have a fantasy adventure🤪), but the majority of it is taken from the previous serial. The previous one, whether or not it was authentic, was completely original, but this serial is not. Yes, there are some good stories in this serial that were not in the previous, and I commend Anand Sagar for showing them👏, but the major chunk of it still belongs to Ramanand Sagar and not Anand Sagar.That's why I always doubt whether they will show the ending of Uttar Kand anything majorly different from the previous one's.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: Chandraketu

Akhl

I'm planning to upload this singing on YouTube, probably next week. If you translate the above, is it okay for me to copy that translated song (not the whole episode) It will be formatted differently from the way Same108 has done it so far. If you prefer, I'll credit you w/ the translation, and/or change terms in between, where appropriate?

Also, do you have translation to what they sang on Wednesday? Or can you translate that as well?


Oh, thanks, Chandraketu! I'll wait. That is great! ❤️
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Posted: 16 years ago
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[quote=_LalithaJanaki]Ram's question was understandeable. He could not just accept anyone as his sons, even if he did not make them his heirs. He did need proof, and the way Ram said it in the previous serial wasn't uncouth, just straight-forward. [/quote]
Sure he could!!! In fact, he regarded the entire people of Ayodhya as his children, so what would have been wrong w/ this one? Besides, in those days, the convention was that if any woman had a child, that child automatically belonged to her husband, regardless of who she conceived it from (hence the parentage of the Pandavas as Pandu's sons was unquestioned, even though none of them were born to Pandu). In that serial, nobody doubted that those 2 were Sita's kids, and as such, the only reason Rama could have had for not accepting them would have been that he didn't accept Sita as his wife.

As for how he said it, the way I phrased it above may have been a civil way for him to phrase it. Imagine you were telling someone 'I am the daughter of ____' and that person asked you in response 'Uska praman?', wouldn't you think of that person as genuinely tawdry and uncouth, and lacking in any decency? That's exactly how it came across to me. Of course, having read everywhere else that K-L introduced themselves as Sita's kids and never as Rama's kids, I knew that the real Rama was nothing remotely like that, and so my opinion of him was unaffected. However, for those who took the serial as the be all and end all of what they knew, imagine what they would have walked away w/ - either Rama was a jerk, or that it's okay to talk that way to other people.

The other point was that K-L were not there to ask to become the next rulers of Ayodhya, and so to depict this conversation in this manner was defamatory to both sides, but particularly to Rama.

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