28 May written-Ram decides upon ashwamedh yajna

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Posted: 16 years ago
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Jai Sri Ram

Bharat - No bhaiya, you cannot do rajsuya yajna. I oppose this.
(Wish it would have been shown that Bharat talked softly.)
Laxman - What are you saying, bhaiya? At this time, we should voice our opinions.
Bharat - Laxman, by opposing rajsuya yajna, I have merely voiced my opinion. Who doesn't know that rajsuya yajna causes wars? Any strong king sees this as a challenge. To make the people of Ayodhya happy, how can we put the lives of other kings in danger?
Ram - Bharat, it is never my aim to indulge in wars. This yajna is the pinnacle of raj-dharm. It also makes people happy.
Bharat - Bhaiya, you have always taken care of the happiness of your people. You even sacrified your own happiness for their sake. All give respect to you. Then what is the need to put the world in trouble by doing rajsuya yajna?
Ram - Your thoughts are great. Therefore, we will not do yajna.
Laxman - No bhaiya, we have to decide which yajna will be good for the world. Ashwamedh yajna destroys sins and gives virtue. Therefore I request that you do ashwamedh yajna.
Ram - It is true that ashwamedh yajna gives virtue. I incurred the sin of brahm hatya by killing Ravan. By doing ashwamedh yajna, I will become free from sins like Indra.

Bharat also agrees.
Ram - We will take permission from gurudev for this yajna.

Valmiki is teaching Luv and Kush
Sri Ram jai Ram jai jai Ram
Sri Ram jai Ram jai jai Ram
Guruvar gyani sunaye Ram kahani
Guruvar gyani sunaye Ram kahani
Piye dono bhrata
Piye dono bhrata Hari ganga ka pani
Guruvar gyani sunaye Ram kahani


Ram's story is shown in flashback thus indicating that Valmiki is telling the story of Ramayan to Luv and Kush.
Valmiki - This way Sri Ram exiled devi Sita.
Luv Kush - This is injustice gurudev. You said that Sri Ram is Vishnu's incarnation. Being Vishnu's incarnation, can anybody do such an act? Devi Sita was always with him. And for such a small reason, he exiled her? Even after agni pariksha, his doubts were not cleared? Gurudev, why are you quiet? Don't you think that Sri Ram made a mistake?
Valmiki - Not at all. Sri Ram followed his raj-dharm and for any great king, nothing is more important than his people.
Luv - What kind of raj-dharm is this?
Valmiki - Son, you will understand everything in due course.

Luv and Kush go to Sita.
LK - Ma, gurudev says that by exiling devi Sita, Sri Ram followed raj-dharm. What is this, raj-dharm? Ma, wasn't Sri Ram wrong? Did he not do any injustice?
Sita - He is a great king. He can never do injustice.
Luv - Giving vanvas to devi Sita without any fault of hers - if this is not adharm, then what is it?
Sita - May be he was helpless?
LK - How can a king be helpless? Being a king, he was affected by somebody's sayings? He did not think anything?
Sita - He must have thought over it.
Luv - Like gurudev, you are also taking Sri Ram's side. This is not right.
Kush - You should oppose it.
Sita - It is not right to oppose without knowing the reality. How do you know in what situation he took such a decision?
Kush - Gurudev told us everything. We will never consider it right.

Luv, Kush go out.
Sita thinks - I feared this. If they come to know that Raghunandan Sri Ram is their father, then what will happen? Will the sons be against their father?

Vashishth meets Ram.
Ram - Pranam gurudev, I was waiting for you. If you allow, then I would like to do ashwamedh yajna.
Vashishth - This is an excellent idea. Ashwamedh yajna is very glorious. This yajna frees a person from your problems and gives him happiness.
Ram - Gurudev, it is my request that you perform the yajna considering all its rules.
Vashishth - I will be happy to do that.
Ram - Sumant ji, invite all kings and rishis of Aryavart. Send a special invitation to Madhupuri's king Shatrughan. Bharat, invite all neighbouring kings. Nobody should be left out.

In Valmiki ashram
Valmiki - The invitation for ashwamedh yajna was sent to all kings and rishis. I will tell you the story after this tomorrow. In the morning, I will give you divine weapons.
Luv and Kush are happy to hear this.
LK - Pranam, gurudev.
Valmiki thinks - What much Ayodhyavasis be thinking about the ashwamedh yajna? Will they be happy?

In Ayodhya
People are talking about the yajna. They are happy that there will be such a big celebration. They are praising their king Sri Ram.

Kaushalya - What kind of decision is this? The whole world worships you. Your fame is spread far and wide. What else do you need?
Ram - Ma, fame has never been my concern. I want to do this yajna to free from the sin of Brahm-hatya and to bring happiness to people.
Kaushalya - But you did not think over it in detail.
Ram - I thought over it, Ma.
Kaushalya - If you did, then you would never have taken such a decision. Both husband and wife participate in ashwamedh yajna. If you want to do this yajna, then you will have to bring Sita back from forest.
Ram - This cannot happen.
Kaushalya - Why can't this happen?
Ram - Nobody knows where Sita is.
(Being an emperor, he cannot find out Sita's whereabouts?😕)
Kaushalya - Then you have to overturn the decision of ashwamedh yajna.
Ram - Ma, ashwamedh yajna is for the sake of people and for me, nothing is more important than my people.
Kaushalya - If you want to do ashwamedh yajna, then you will have to remarry.

Ram is shocked to hear this.

Precap - Valmiki gives yogic power to Luv and Kush.


Edited by akhl - 16 years ago


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Posted: 16 years ago
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it was really very weird to find given Ram's excellent resources no one knows where sita is, or may be its coz sagars bypassed the Valmiki version of vanvas, where ram decided sita will stay in the peaceful haven of rishi Valmiki's asrama?
as sita was away in vanvas, she wasnt able to take part in household activities of the queen, may be this is why Kaushalya suggested ram take another bride.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Thanks for the update Avi. 👏
We did expect that this storyline would be the one adopted for the Ashwamedha Yagna, ie Ram being forced to remarry, and hence the golden statue.
But what I did not understand was if it was an invitation being sent to the kings, where is the question of anyone capturing the horse and challenging Ram? 😕
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Tan

There is nothing in the original Valmiki re: Kaushalya, or indeed anyone else, suggesting to Rama that he re-marry. And of course, the whole time, Rama & Lakshman knew where Sita was, Kush & Luv knew they were Rama's sons, and so on. Every author since Valmiki has dramatized the story by distorting it in the process, making it look like there was a mystery to the whole thing, when there wasn't.

One question here, suspending one's disbelief re: this story wrt its deviation from the original: if K-L thought that what Rama did was wrong and unjust, how/why would it change if & when they knew that he was their father? After all, dharma transcends all relationships, like it did w/ Vibhishan. Either what Rama did was right, or wrong. If what he did was wrong, as K-L believe, why would it magically become right the moment they came to know that he was their father? Somehow, Sita's concern doesn't make sense - except for her being upset at her kids opposing her hubby.

Another point: Valmiki too was a recipient of the invitation. If that's the case, how exactly is that reconciled with him still being in his ashram and telling the kids about the invitation?

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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: Chandraketu

Tan

There is nothing in the original Valmiki re: Kaushalya, or indeed anyone else, suggesting to Rama that he re-marry. And of course, the whole time, Rama & Lakshman knew where Sita was, Kush & Luv knew they were Rama's sons, and so on. Every author since Valmiki has dramatized the story by distorting it in the process, making it look like there was a mystery to the whole thing, when there wasn't. And the height was Valmiki suggesting Sita going back to Ayodhya. 🤢 Was the same thing shown in the previous Sagar version?

One question here, suspending one's disbelief re: this story wrt its deviation from the original: if K-L thought that what Rama did was wrong and unjust, how/why would it change if & when they knew that he was their father? After all, dharma transcends all relationships, like it did w/ Vibhishan. Either what Rama did was right, or wrong. If what he did was wrong, as K-L believe, why would it magically become right the moment they came to know that he was their father? Somehow, Sita's concern doesn't make sense - except for her being upset at her kids opposing her hubby. True ! But I think it will be justified that it was his Rajdharm and he was not wrong. I don't remember what they showed in the earlier serial. By all means it is going to be repeated. But then was it not "Sita ne Ram ka tyaag kiya" as per this version, rather than "Ram ne Sita ka tyaag kiya" ? 😕

Another point: Valmiki too was a recipient of the invitation. If that's the case, how exactly is that reconciled with him still being in his ashram and telling the kids about the invitation? I think it is just showed that preps are about to begin, and once Valmiki recieves the invite, probably he'll start for Naimisharanya.

Edited by chen2chic - 16 years ago
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Thanks for the update akhl.

One doubt - did Luv and Kush know that Maharaj Ram was their father in the original Valmiki Ramayan? As far as I have read, nothing is mentioned clearly as to whether they knew about their own parents. Did they know that they were singing the Ramayan to their own family when they recited the Ramayan in front of everyone in Naimisharanya?
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Posted: 16 years ago
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thanks for the update avi
hmm i also didnt get the point
ashwamedha yagya who wud oppose raja ram and whats the point of inviting all rishis rajas then
so before yagya luv kush go to ayodhya or after that to sing ramayan to raja ram and his praja
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Thanks for the update Avinash

Dont u guys think
Valmiki Started this Ramayan Lesson very late
Luv-KUsh opposing Ramji
No invitation for Valmiki yet
then they skipped that story ramji killed one person doing Tapasya
and to get out of that sin only
Ram decided to do Yagya


Now for other shows they are again showing all meaningless things

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Posted: 16 years ago
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i think at this point the script is really confusing and sagars r confusing us
BTW: thanks chandraketu, those were exactlymy questions as from d beginning ram and laxman knew where sita is going to live, as she will not enter the palace, so ram erected a golden statue of hers,
as for lav-kush goes, i dont remember, but i think after sita goes down to mother earth, as per her instructions they will go to Ram and with time forgive him.
i am not sure
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Tan

I think you're right about K-L, although in Valmiki itself, there is absolutely nothing about how they responded. Incidentally, I disbelieve the part where it says that the next day, they sang the remaining future part of the Ramayan (the part from Sita's passing to Rama's passing) to the audience there - despite being proficient in the Vedas, they must have been too traumatized to do any such thing.

Chen2,

I overlooked your previous question about whether the previous serial showed Valmiki suggesting that Sita return. He didn't, but he did tell her that the people of Ayodhya needed to be made to repent for what they had done, which is why their singing would be needed. He also assured her that her sons would be united w/ their father, and she'd get to see him again, and that seemed to satisfy her.

Edited by Chandraketu - 16 years ago

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