Karan is great but...

You know I've been going through the topics and seeing what everyone has to say. Personally, at this point I can't side with anyone because there are a lot of great dancers on the show and yes a lot of people love Karan because of Dill Mill Gaye. But I just don't agree with everyone saying he can't dance and blah blah blah..
Because he can dance! The only problem is that the choreographer, Nicole, is not teaching him up to his standards. Karan can do a lot more than she shows him. And I have nothing against Nicole. She is great and all and everything was going good, but she needs to get creative with the dance moves. Like the performance that was done in the last episode..well i haven't seen the episode yet but judging from the promo..that same dance was done in Nach Baliye with Naman and Megha. Probably not exactly the same..but you know..kind of similar. I have to say that if Karan was paired up with someone else, he would be doing really good. Like maybe Sonia. Nicole and Sonia are both great, but Sonia just does alot more creative dance moves and tries something new everytime. But Nicole just sticks to same old, same old. But in the end, I still love all their performances!

Hope you guys understand what I'm trying to say. Karan is capable of dancing, but Nicole just isn't giving him enough dance moves!

Agree with whatevr you said

Originally posted by: chanda_chamke

You know I've been going through the topics and seeing what everyone has to say. Personally, at this point I can't side with anyone because there are a lot of great dancers on the show and yes a lot of people love Karan because of Dill Mill Gaye. But I just don't agree with everyone saying he can't dance and blah blah blah..
Because he can dance! The only problem is that the choreographer, Nicole, is not teaching him up to his standards. Karan can do a lot more than she shows him. And I have nothing against Nicole. She is great and all and everything was going good, but she needs to get creative with the dance moves. Like the performance that was done in the last episode..well i haven't seen the episode yet but judging from the promo..that same dance was done in Nach Baliye with Naman and Megha. Probably not exactly the same..but you know..kind of similar. I have to say that if Karan was paired up with someone else, he would be doing really good. Like maybe Sonia. Nicole and Sonia are both great, but Sonia just does alot more creative dance moves and tries something new everytime. But Nicole just sticks to same old, same old. But in the end, I still love all their performances!

Hope you guys understand what I'm trying to say. Karan is capable of dancing, but Nicole just isn't giving him enough dance moves!

I agree with you. Karan can dance. But... There is that word. There is always a problem when the word "but" butts in.

So my "but" is this: I think Karan's performances have lacked the stellar quality that would allow him to steal the show. And it is because of this that it is hard to assess whether he has improved as a dancer or merely danced with the same consistency of his previous performances. As a participant, the individual can only exhibit his dancing ability in so far as the choreography given to him/her. If the choreography is not on the level where the participant can outdo himself/herself with regard to the dance, the individual will not be able to give the type of performance that will earn him laudatory remarks. So far, in my honest and humble opinion, Karan's performances have lacked that quality because the dancing moves were not enough challenging or complex. I don't blame any of the participants on any dancing shows for the choreography they're given as it is the responsibility of a choreographer to ensure that the choreography allow the dancer to showcase his/her strengths or lack thereof as a dancer.

That said, I also believe there were at least two performances (maybe three), the day before yesterday's included shown on television with the inclusion of the steel cubes with the circus theme, where I think Karan and Nicole deserved a 30. But for whatever reason best known only to the judges, they were not given those marks. For extracting those performances from Karan and her choreography, Nicole does deserve due credit. But in my opinion, Nicole should perhaps make more of an endeavor to not only use challenging props (like roller skates) but challenging dance moves, the kind that would make the audience sit up in their seats and take notice and silence critics.

Anyway, I remember watching shows like Nach Baliye where I would excited about contestants like Tina and Hussein or Aamir and Sanjeeda. But in this show, I could care less who wins the title. I think that is because I don't feel strongly for any set of contestants. I just watch the show to pass time in the evenings.

@Topic-starter
totally agree...
Nicole is good and everything but I guess she is just playing safe!
She is doing a good job but if it was at the beginning of the show, they would have scored 30s!
but now competition is getting way tougher and other choreos are being more innovative

and so far I've noticed, she is kind of underestimating Karan's dancing skills
Karan can do far way more better than this!!

omg i cnt belive dis...few hrz ago ppl were bashing sonia for tellin nicole dat she was playin safe..& now jst karan socred d lowest & now ppl r sayin dat nicole iz playin safe....well face it khot karan mein hai nicole, judgez or other contestentz mein nahi

Originally posted by: chanda_chamke

<br><br>I agree with you. Karan can dance. But... There is that word. There is always a problem when the word "but" butts in.<br><br>So my "but" is this: I think Karan's performances havelacked the stellar quality that would allow him to steal the show. And it is because of this that it is hard to assess whether he has improved as a dancer or merely danced with the same consistency of his previous performances. As a participant, the individual can only exhibit his dancing ability in so far as the choreography given to him/her. If the choreography is not on the level where the participant can outdo himself/herself with regard to the dance, the individual will not be able to give the type of performance that will earn him laudatory remarks. So far, in my honest and humble opinion, Karan's performances have lacked that quality because the dancing moves were not enough challenging or complex. I don't blame any of the participants on any dancing shows for the choreography they're given as it is the responsibility of a choreographer to ensure that the choreography allow the dancer to showcase his/her strengths or lack thereof as a dancer. <br><br>That said, I also believe there were at least two performances (maybe three), the day before yesterday's included shown on television with the inclusion of the steel cubes with the circus theme, where I think Karan and Nicole deserved a 30. But for whatever reason best known only to the judges, they were not given those marks. For extracting those performances from Karan and her choreography, Nicole does deserve due credit. But in my opinion, Nicole should perhaps make more of an endeavor to not only use challenging props (like roller skates) but challenging dance moves, the kind that would make the audience sit up in their seats and take notice and silence critics.

I agree with you to some extent......
I don't think you can blame nicole ....she is a wonderful choreographer.....
They have given some average performances and some excellent performances
The problem with performances has been that they have not been consistent....they are very unpredictable that way.....one week they are excellent and might be the highest and the next they end up being the lowest. It is because of both their teamwork and nicole teaching him that they have reached this far. I don't think people should praise nicole if something goes right and the next second start blaming her if something goes wrong. They try new stuff with choreography sometimes it ends up working in their favor (you are my love, disco on skates, circus, blindfold salsa) and sometimes it doesn't. They need to reach a consistent level like savio and hard kaur have achieved.

Originally posted by: harpkaur

omg i cnt belive dis...few hrz ago ppl were bashing sonia for tellin nicole dat she was playin safe..& now jst karan socred d lowest & now ppl r sayin dat nicole iz playin safe....well face it khot karan mein hai nicole, judgez or other contestentz mein nahi

Hmm, I guess people might change their opinions in whatever way the wind blows. But I don't count myself amongst them. Apart from that, only after reading your post did I know that new scores were posted. So, I checked. I can't say I'm surprised at their scores.

Originally posted by: srkbest

I agree with you to some extent......
I don't think you can blame nicole ....she is a wonderful choreographer.....
They have given some average performances and some excellent performances
The problem with performances has been that they have not been consistent....they are very unpredictable that way.....one week they are excellent and might be the highest and the next they end up being the lowest. It is because of both their teamwork and nicole teaching him that they have reached this far. I don't think people should praise nicole if something goes right and the next second start blaming her if something goes wrong. They try new stuff with choreography sometimes it ends up working in their favor (you are my love, disco on skates, circus, blindfold salsa) and sometimes it doesn't. They need to reach a consistent level like savio and hard kaur have achieved.

I hold a choreographer responsible (60-70%) for the dance moves and the dancer for the performance (30-40%). Nicole might be a good choreographer, but I think she lacks insight in how to choreograph in such a way that Karan's strengths can be utilized and fully highlighted. No matter how good of a dancer any participant is, it is up to the choreographer to allow her partner to showcase his/her dancing ability in the choreography. This is where I think Nicole keeps consistently lagging behind.

In my opinion, the mark of a wonderful choreographer is being able to extract consistent performances from her/his dance partner, not performances that seesaw one way or the other. In the same way a director "makes or breaks" the movie, a choreographer "makes or breaks" the performance to a large extent.

As far as what you are saying about teamwork, if this had been the 3rd week instead of the 9th week (or so) of the show, I might have reserved comment and judgment on Nicole in terms of her choreography. But after so many weeks, if a choreographer is still not delivering grade A choreography in terms of challenging lifts, creativity, complexity, dance moves testing flexibility, endurance, synchronization, I am not as inclined to give her the benefit of the doubt.

Also, props in a dance should enhance the performance, not be the basis on which the performance should be judged. For example, if you take away the roller skates in the disco act and watch the dance moves that Karan performed, you will notice they are not at par on the level which they should have been at that point in Jhalak especially when the competition is getting tough and other competitiors have far left behind. I liked the use of the props blindfold and the door, both performances, which I believe deserved a 30. But those two props were assigned to Nicole rather than born of her own creativity. That is why, I'm sorry to say, that I think it is time Nicole proved herself a worthy adversary of the other teams in the show.

xactly yaar karan can dance very well

karan is a great actor, dancer.....

he is all-rounder!!!

& pls dnt bash nicole....she is already tensed!!!

this is all luck & time....not nicole..

she is playing her level best to take karan on top!!!

Originally posted by: ekumeed

I hold a choreographer responsible (60-70%) for the dance moves and the dancer for the performance (30-40%). Nicole might be a good choreographer, but I think she lacks insight in how to choreograph in such a way that Karan's strengths can be utilized and fully highlighted. No matter how good of a dancer any participant is, it is up to the choreographer to allow her partner to showcase his/her dancing ability in the choreography. This is where I think Nicole keeps consistently lagging behind. <br><br>In my opinion, the mark of a wonderful choreographer is being able to extract consistent performances from her/his dance partner, not performances that seesaw one way or the other. In the same way a director "makes or breaks" the movie, a choreographer "makes or breaks" the performance to a large extent. <br><br>As far as what you are saying about teamwork, if this had been the 3rd week instead of the 9th week (or so) of the show, I might have reserved comment and judgment on Nicole in terms of her choreography. But after so many weeks, if a choreographer is still not delivering grade A choreography in terms of challenging lifts, creativity, complexity, dance moves testing flexibility, endurance, synchronization, I am not as inclined to give her the benefit of the doubt. <br><br>Also, props in a dance should enhance the performance, not be the basis on which the performance should be judged. For example, if you take away the roller skates in the disco act and watch the dance moves that Karan performed, you will notice they are not at par on the level which they should have been at that point in Jhalak especially when the competition is getting tough and other competitiors have far left behind. I liked the use of the props blindfold and the door, both performances, which I believe deserved a 30. But those two props were assigned to Nicole rather than born of her own creativity. That is why, I'm sorry to say, that I think it is time Nicole proved herself a worthy adversary of the other teams in the show.

exactly my sentiments... this w=is just what i wanted to say..at this stage in the competition, neither the contestant, nor that choreographer can afford to slip....absolute consistency is required.. u can understand if the contestant slips, but losing marks because of choreography is highly unacceptable.. well said... 👏 👏