After Pakistan, Sharia Law in Somalia - Page 5

yeah i mean the media totally ruins the image of Islam..what most people think of Muslims and Islam is not correct..its totally wrong...the media is just getting juicy gossip while looking at the wrong types of ppl...those terrorists arent true Muslims because what they are doing is totally against Islam...yet, the media goes around trying to prove to people that that is what Muslims are..terrorists..its horrible :(

Originally posted by: anuradhasharma

cpying it frm taliban wala topic...😆

my view:

......i am in favour of democracy......not any religious law..........whether its sharia or any othe rreligious law....

i belive person shud be given independence to choose his way of life.....if someone forces him to choose a way...den out of force may be he follow dat path...but den it will create frustration inside him..and he can never find peace inside him.................

...................religious laws can satisfy only ppl of a particular religion............and will create frustration among ppl who dont follow dat religion.....sooo...laws shud be made..dat r accepted by most ppl living in dat country.....or land.....

like in saudi arabia.....i guess dey follow sharia laws...cozz majority of ppl r muslims and its muslim country....ppl accepted dat law.....cozz dere ppl believe dat quran is god's word....obviously dey wud like to follow watever is written in quran.........but if we try to impose dis law in countries like india.....obviously frustration will be created among ppl who dont follow islam..........so ppl who dont follow islam will be frustrated...so dere is a great risk of violance ..........soo here democracy will work best......i mean giving ppl freedon to choose dere ways............

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we can find god by our own will not by force......if the person is not willing to do prayer..and we r forcing him to pray...den may be by force he prays..but he wont be able to go close to god...........nor ppl who r forcing him r doing great thing...........u can come close to god by ur own will...not by force....in my view its nature's law....and for me natur's law is god's law.

no offence to anyone....😳....

religion is a very sensitive issue....

someting funny....i hope noone mind😉

......one's belife is others superstition......

everyone is following different path according to his belief and the dam thing is everyone thinks that he is following the right path and others are wrong😆

^^ But why shud muslims also follow each and everything written inthe Quran or what the sharia states. Everyone has the right to do whatever they want. We have free wills and we have the right to exersize it and that's it. No one has the authoritty to judge our actions and say otherwise. Only God (Allah) has that right. After death if I go to hell and kep on burning, then that's my problem. None of the extremist muslims need to worry about my well being after death. Let Allah judge the sinners (According to you).

Originally posted by: PhoeniXof_Hades

^^ But why shud muslims also follow each and everything written inthe Quran or what the sharia states. Everyone has the right to do whatever they want. We have free wills and we have the right to exersize it and that's it. No one has the authoritty to judge our actions and say otherwise. Only God (Allah) has that right. After death if I go to hell and kep on burning, then that's my problem. None of the extremist muslims need to worry about my well being after death. Let Allah judge the sinners (According to you).

Though I hate going into a different direction (and given its very controvertial nature) but I have to ask: seven countires (period) are murdering/executing gays publicly and then justifying their position by saying "God told me to do it". How do you justify that??? The worst thing about the Abrahamic religions are their wrong portrayal of women, slaves and LGBT lives. And why should everyone ascribe to Sharia law and remain under/inside the closet when they do not believe????

evryone has the right to live their life -- you are no ONE to judge. Let God alone judge us for our actions.

I still cry when I see videos of innocent LGBTs beings thrown down from above a cliff top so that they are left to die just for going against there 'sharia law'. That is the sole reason why I ma so much against it.

Coming back with a more detailed reply soon.

i totally agree with what you have said there Phoenix of_Hades......but the problem is that it is our responsibility too!!!!!!!

well its so said....(and i believe it) that a person will be asked for not why voicing the truth when he saw wrong happening in front of his eye!!!!we will be asked if we have done justice with out responsibilities

i know what you are saying is also 100% right
everyone have the right to live according to their wishes....i believe in that policy😊

and LGBT only are punished if they have changes their sexes.....by birth LGBTs is something they have no control over !!!!

....still when it comes upon there choice that what they want to be
but ppl of higher authority (who too are answerable for their responsibilities)
would think they are ruining the nation
so becomes its important to punish them!!!now who there take everything is their perspective

just what happened with Greek philosophers
ppl thought they were ruining others mind and hence they we killed!!!!!!

by the way i really like you name!!!😃its sort of cool

.....but the problem is that it is our responsibility too!!!!!!!

You mean we ought to go down and ask the Government for a liberal nation, which allows people to 'live and let live'? Or do you mean that we are being partially responsible for other's sins (by not warning them about their sinful action and the life-after)?

well its so said....(and i believe it) that a person will be asked for not why voicing the truth when he saw wrong happening in front of his eye!!!! we will be asked if we have done justice with out responsibilities

There's a clear line (distinction) between enlightening others spiritually and literally forcing them to follow a lifestyle of your choice. As human beings, we have the responsibility of enlightening others with the truth; however, forcibly asking people to follow something is not my definition of enlightening others. Enlightening, by definition, means to let people know about the truth and truthful and honest way of living; forcing them by meaningless law and regulation isn't 'enlightening' or 'voicing the truth', in my opinion. Besides, what might be a morally repugnant or sinful act to you, might not be one to me, hence forcefully making others live a life that they would never embrace from their heart isn't what I would like to call 'doing the work of God'. You cannot be what you are not; therefore restricting people's life with rules and regulations isn't going to work in the long run, as the person would suffer within himself and remain what he is. If a person wants to voice the truth, he needs to inform the world about the truth and let them decide what they would like to believe.

Personally, I believe only actions that causes harm to an individual, a society, culture, a nation, etc is what's wrong, and what God must be against. Living a life that is very much personal and isn't harming a single soul isn't what God should be against.

and LGBT only are punished if they have changes their sexes.....

I would assume you haven't heard of LGBT people being beaten up mercilessly, castrated, disowned by their very parents and families, kicked out of the society and country, and even stoned death, simply for being different from the majority. Also, I do not see the justification with just punishing LGBT people for changing their sex, either. A person has no, absolutely no control with the way he was created; if Nature/God had given the person a body of one gender, but with the sense of self of the other (opposite) gender. If a person feels his mind and sense of self trapped inside his physical body, he has every right to go for a change. It's an extremely weird and bizarre feeling that only the person [who is in the situation] would understand. It's like a bird being trapped inside a cage, trying desperately to do the thing it loves the most – flying – but is unable to. If changing ones gender makes a person happier, and doesn't cause harm to anyone around, then he has the complete right to do so.

Would just like to add that changing your gender is not synonymous with 'playing with the nature or God' – you are simply fixing up a problem that nature had bumped into you. I have seen people having plastic/cosmetic surgery – how is that any better?

by birth LGBTs is something they have no control over !!!!

But people who strictly follow Sharia'h law doesn't see it that way, do they? I know all Muslims (me being one of them) or religious conservatives are not like that, but many of them are, who refuses to look into any scientific findings that would dismiss their earlier theories. Many (I do not mean this to all) sees being LGBT as a choice, when in reality it's not.

....still when it comes upon there choice that what they want to be
but ppl of higher authority (who too are answerable for their responsibilities)
would think they are ruining the nation
so becomes its important to punish them!!!

Their personal 'thinking' isn't what should count in a society – scientific findings that can be tested down should be what matters. Even if they feel or think someone as immoral, they must have valid evidence to back up their 'thinking' before taking any step further. Punishing people simply because you do not like what they do isn't what a civilized society should do. Oh, btw, I haven't come across any solid evidence (if any at all) which states LGBT being the cause behind the nation getting ruined (if that's what you were talking about).

now who there take everything is their perspective

You point being…?

just what happened with Greek philosophers
ppl thought they were ruining others mind and hence they we killed!!!!!!

I'm not quiet sure what you are speaking about (good if you can clarify it, please) here, but if I am not being wrong, you are simply quoting stuffs from the past, when the world was a lot less educated, civilized and cultured. In the past a lot of things used to be done and tolerated that would be considered as a totally repugnant act in this century. The world was divided into hundreds of thousands of divisions, based on race, culture, beliefs, etc. To give a few examples – there were theists vs. atheist, Christians vs. Pagans, Black people vs. White people, agnostic vs. skeptics, etc. We no longer do that. Similarly people were 'honorably' killed down (cannibalism was even a ritualistic practice in many places) in the past, simply for being or having a different view of life than the rest. In those times such acts were tolerated and acceptable, and sometimes even honored, but in this civilized world it isn't.

by the way i really like you name!!! its sort of cool

Thank you. May I ask you what your [user]name means or symbolize (if anything at all)?

Originally posted by: PhoeniXof_Hades

You mean we ought to go down and ask the Government for a liberal nation, which allows people to 'live and let live'? Or do you mean that we are being partially responsible for other's sins (by not warning them about their sinful action and the life-after)?

i mean the both!!!!.........about enlightening others about the truth
after that its their headache what they do!where they go! until they dont harm somebody!!!!

There's a clear line (distinction) between enlightening others spiritually and literally forcing them to follow a lifestyle of your choice. As human beings, we have the responsibility of enlightening others with the truth; however, forcibly asking people to follow something is not my definition of enlightening others. Enlightening, by definition, means to let people know about the truth and truthful and honest way of living; forcing them by meaningless law and regulation isn't 'enlightening' or 'voicing the truth', in my opinion. Besides, what might be a morally repugnant or sinful act to you, might not be one to me, hence forcefully making others live a life that they would never embrace from their heart isn't what I would like to call 'doing the work of God'. You cannot be what you are not; therefore restricting people's life with rules and regulations isn't going to work in the long run, as the person would suffer within himself and remain what he is. If a person wants to voice the truth, he needs to inform the world about the truth and let them decide what they would like to believe.

Personally, I believe only actions that causes harm to an individual, a society, culture, a nation, etc is what's wrong, and what God must be against. Living a life that is very much personal and isn't harming a single soul isn't what God should be against.

i agreeeeeeeeee!!!!

.........and i don't believe in forcing others to my beliefs
..................and mind you its not what shariah says either!!!!!😕
that's a misconception most ppl carry
including those who misinterprets shariah law

I would assume you haven't heard of LGBT people being beaten up mercilessly, castrated, disowned by their very parents and families, kicked out of the society and country, and even stoned death, simply for being different from the majority.

Also, I do not see the justification with just punishing LGBT people for changing their sex, either. A person has no, absolutely no control with the way he was created; if Nature/God had given the person a body of one gender, but with the sense of self of the other (opposite) gender. If a person feels his mind and sense of self trapped inside his physical body, he has every right to go for a change. It's an extremely weird and bizarre feeling that only the person [who is in the situation] would understand. It's like a bird being trapped inside a cage, trying desperately to do the thing it loves the most ' flying ' but is unable to. If changing ones gender makes a person happier, and doesn't cause harm to anyone around, then he has the complete right to do so.

It's an extremely weird and bizarre feeling that only the person [who is in the situation] would understan
so............wanting to fly or not we cant really say??can we
why would somone feels to change gender???????
and personally there i dont believe in changing wht God has created
but thats only my personal opinion!!!

Would just like to add that changing your gender is not synonymous with 'playing with the nature or God' ' you are simply fixing up a problem that nature had bumped into you. I have seen people having plastic/cosmetic surgery ' how is that any better?

But people who strictly follow Sharia'h law doesn't see it that way, do they? I know all Muslims (me being one of them) or religious conservatives are not like that, but many of them are, who refuses to look into any scientific findings that would dismiss their earlier theories. Many (I do not mean this to all) sees being LGBT as a choice, when in reality it's not.

no comeents😳clash of opinions i think

Their personal 'thinking' isn't what should count in a society '
scientific findings that can be tested down should be what matters. Even if they feel or think someone as immoral, they must have valid evidence to back up their 'thinking' before taking any step further. Punishing people simply because you do not like what they do isn't what a civilized society should do. Oh, btw, I haven't come across any solid evidence (if any at all) which states LGBT being the cause behind the nation getting ruined (if that's what you were talking about).

agreed!!!!!😃but arent we discusing personal opinions here???😉and no scientific proves of whts right or wht is wrong

I'm not quiet sure what you are speaking about (good if you can clarify it, please) here, but if I am not being wrong, you are simply quoting stuffs from the past, when the world was a lot less educated, civilized and cultured. In the past a lot of things used to be done and tolerated that would be considered as a totally repugnant act in this century. The world was divided into hundreds of thousands of divisions, based on race, culture, beliefs, etc. To give a few examples ' there were theists vs. atheist, Christians vs. Pagans, Black people vs. White people, agnostic vs. skeptics, etc. We no longer do that. Similarly people were 'honorably' killed down (cannibalism was even a ritualistic practice in many places) in the past, simply for being or having a different view of life than the rest. In those times such acts were tolerated and acceptable, and sometimes even honored, but in this civilized world it isn't.

sure Greeks were centuries ago when science wasnt progressed
but basic human emotions stays the same
patriotism...love and respect for religion and country stays the same

Thank you. May I ask you what your [user]name means or symbolize (if anything at all)?

bahut likhte ho bhai!!!!!!!!!!

maisoon comes from arabic language and yes like everything it has a meaning......
it means (a beautiful woman) and is name of a flower 😃

i just want you to see their perspectives
they think they are right in wht they do
and im not justifing anyone here!!
i believe in freedom of religion and thought as you do!

Wheeeeeew ! This thread has really stretched on ! It finally comes down to ones perspectives !

Its all a matter of different perspectives then! Each believes himself to B right & other wrong. So what next? Might is right , eh? Those who b liv in imposing their views on others wouldn't hesitate to use violence . What chance do peace loving ppl have under such circumstances? Do they remain silent spectators & bow down or do they retaliate in a like fashion ready to kill or be killed? Where does all this violence lead us to ? Does God wish to bring about this large scale destruction in his name ! Do ppl who emerge victorious after killing so many of God's own creation , win approval on Judgement day ? To what end?

Who knows what happens after death ! Why not just live & let others live too ! If God wants to destroy something He will do it himself , He s supposed to B powerful enuf to do that ! Then why try to play God ? It wud suffice to B good Human Beings instead ! Let God play his own role .

Throughout history, the really fundamental changes in societies have come about not from dictates of governments and the results of battles but through vast numbers of people changing their minds – sometimes only a little bit.