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To whom do you think the Throne of Hastinapura truely belonged?

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Posted: 16 years ago
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It's an interesting speculation. On one hand, Dhritarastra was the rightful heir as he was the first born, but since he was blind, Pandu became King.
And...if you considered the Kauravas and Pandavas as a whole, Yudhisthira was the eldest, so the throne was rightfully his, but...Duryodhana was the son of the King when the Pandavas came to Hastinapura.
What do you all think?
Regardless of who was "good" or "bad", who do you think the throne rightfully belonged to?

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Posted: 16 years ago
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I'm not exactly sure 😕 great question though! I picked out of a hat and out came Sons of Dhritarastra, so I just put that one. In reality, I'm not sure though...
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the sons of Dhritarastra were supposed to be the true heir of the throne of hastinapur. Dhritarastra was the firstborn and Pandu was the second born only and he was supposed to succeed the throne because he was the first born like any other custom and his sons are supposed to be on the line of the throne after him then only the sons of pandu.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Pandavas deserved the throne of Hastinapur bec. firstly, they were followers of dharma and Yudhistir was a better ruler than any of the kauravas...secondly, Pandu was the original ruler of Hastinapur but since he took vanvaas, throne went to Dhritrashtra...So techically, Pandavas were the heirs of Hastinapur ....
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Thanks luv_kwaish, that made it a bit clearer for me :) Because Pandu was the first king wasn't he...I forgot that part :)
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Thank you Rongna and Charu for your views. I agree with both of you, but Charu, I asked who would be the rightful heir if no issues of Dharma and Adharma came into the decision, or who was the better king. Let's say the Pandavas were A and the Kauravas were B. B's father is the eldest son and A's father is the younger.

B was blind, so A became the king. But then, A went on an exile because of his curse and gave B the throne. Thus, both A and B had a chance to be King, although B was King a much longer time. Would B's sons and A's son have equal rights to the throne then, since both fathers were king? Though A was no longer King and dead, he did once rule, and he was the first king of the two brothers, but then, B was the elder son, so...
I came to the conclusion that both the Kauravas and Pandavas had equal right, because both father's were Kings of Hastinapura. Though Dhritarastra was the elder son, Pandu was the first king.
Then since both have equal rights, then we would have to look for the eldest son in all of the 105 Kauravas and Pandavas. Yudhisthira was the eldest of all, so I guess that's why he was the rightful heir.
This is just my opinion or deducement. It may not be right, but I was always wondering why Bhishma had always said Yudhisthira was the rightful heir when Dhritarastra was King, without Dharma and Adharma coming into the issue.
But as I thought about it, I came to this explanation. I don't know....
I'm very open to other views as well!😊
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: godisone

Thank you Rongna and Charu for your views. I agree with both of you, but Charu, I asked who would be the rightful heir if no issues of Dharma and Adharma came into the decision, or who was the better king. Let's say the Pandavas were A and the Kauravas were B. B's father is the eldest son and A's father is the younger.

B was blind, so A became the king. But then, A went on an exile because of his curse and gave B the throne. Thus, both A and B had a chance to be King, although B was King a much longer time. Would B's sons and A's son have equal rights to the throne then, since both fathers were king? Though A was no longer King and dead, he did once rule, and he was the first king of the two brothers, but then, B was the elder son, so...
I came to the conclusion that both the Kauravas and Pandavas had equal right, because both father's were Kings of Hastinapura. Though Dhritarastra was the elder son, Pandu was the first king.
Then since both have equal rights, then we would have to look for the eldest son in all of the 105 Kauravas and Pandavas. Yudhisthira was the eldest of all, so I guess that's why he was the rightful heir.
This is just my opinion or deducement. It may not be right, but I was always wondering why Bhishma had always said Yudhisthira was the rightful heir when Dhritarastra was King, without Dharma and Adharma coming into the issue.
But as I thought about it, I came to this explanation. I don't know....
I'm very open to other views as well!😊

It was said in the starting of Mahabharat that only being so and so son can't be the criteria for selecting the King..Before Shantanu , King Bharata didn't give the throne to any of his sons bec. he thought they were incapable....
Dhritrashtra could not ascend the throne due to his blindness so Pandu was the obvious choice...Yudhistir was not only the eldest of all kauravas (pandu and pandavas also belonged to the kuruvansh) , he was more capable than Duryodhan (he proved it in front of the rajya sabha), he was the eldest son of King Pandu who was the original King of Hastinapur...so from all the sides, throne of Hastinapur should have gone to Yudhistir only...
Duryodhan never accepted Pandavas as their brothers bec. after Pandu's exile , he was told that he's gonna be the future king ...He thought that pandavas would never come back from vanvaas and he knew pandu could not become a father so he always questioned their parentage....ghandhari and bheeshma tried to convince him but Shakuni poisoned him against pandavas....
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: luv_khwaish

he was more capable than Duryodhan (he proved it in front of the rajya sabha)



Nice point Charu.. If I remember correctly, there was a murder case in the court with four people being the convicts.. Each one was from a different 'varna', namely Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vaishya and Sudra.. In this case, Duryodhan considers everyone as equal for justice and punished them with equal penalty.. while Yudhisthir didn't agree with him and declared the penalty based upon each one's respective 'varna'.. and based on this decision, he was considered more capable than Duryodhana.. End of story 😊

Now, something can be discussed about this.. if you face the same situation, what will you do? will you answers be different if you place yourself in the MB era and then in the present era.. will you go with Duryodhan or Yudhisthir for this particular case? who had done more justice? Duryodhan who considered everyone equal in front of justice or Yudhisthir who had based his decision on the convict's 'varna'.. Please consider both the MB era and present era while replying..




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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: luv_khwaish

It was said in the starting of Mahabharat that only being so and so son can't be the criteria for selecting the King..Before Shantanu , King Bharata didn't give the throne to any of his sons bec. he thought they were incapable....
Dhritrashtra could not ascend the throne due to his blindness so Pandu was the obvious choice...Yudhistir was not only the eldest of all kauravas (pandu and pandavas also belonged to the kuruvansh) , he was more capable than Duryodhan (he proved it in front of the rajya sabha), he was the eldest son of King Pandu who was the original King of Hastinapur...so from all the sides, throne of Hastinapur should have gone to Yudhistir only...
Duryodhan never accepted Pandavas as their brothers bec. after Pandu's exile , he was told that he's gonna be the future king ...He thought that pandavas would never come back from vanvaas and he knew pandu could not become a father so he always questioned their parentage....ghandhari and bheeshma tried to convince him but Shakuni poisoned him against pandavas....

I forgot about this story, thanks for reminding me of it.😊
Very good point by the way; yup, now it sounds more like Yudhisthira was a better choice even without Dharma/Adharma coming into the issue.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: shyam.rathi



Nice point Charu.. If I remember correctly, there was a murder case in the court with four people being the convicts.. Each one was from a different 'varna', namely Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vaishya and Sudra.. In this case, Duryodhan considers everyone as equal for justice and punished them with equal penalty.. while Yudhisthir didn't agree with him and declared the penalty based upon each one's respective 'varna'.. and based on this decision, he was considered more capable than Duryodhana.. End of story 😊

Now, something can be discussed about this.. if you face the same situation, what will you do? will you answers be different if you place yourself in the MB era and then in the present era.. will you go with Duryodhan or Yudhisthir for this particular case? who had done more justice? Duryodhan who considered everyone equal in front of justice or Yudhisthir who had based his decision on the convict's 'varna'.. Please consider both the MB era and present era while replying..

Good question.👏
Truthfully, if this happened in the present era, I guess I would go with Duryodhan's way of justice, because in this present day and age, social classes/castes are not given much importance, and everyone is equal in the eyes of law. Saying a brahmin or kshatriya gets different punishment compared to a Vaishya or Sudra would be thought racism today, and no one would have respect for you.
But in the Dwapara Yug, society was much much different. Everything was based on caste system, and issues of Dharma/Adharma differed for each caste. Yudhisthira's way of justice was the accepted rule during that time, and was rigth for them, because rules of society change with each age. People's jobs depended on their caste, while today, anyone can have any kind of job as long as they have the appropriate level of education.
Today, Duryodhana's way of justice is the accepted norm, while Yudhisthira's would be considered, "biased" or "racist".
If I was in the Mahabharat times, I would go with Yudhisthira's way of justice, because that was considered "right" then, but today, I would go with Duryodhan's, because while we should keep our epics in mind while we live out our lives, we can't do everything people in our epics did, because our society is so different from how it was back then.
I won't say one is "right" and the other is "wrong" because decisions vary from society to society to time period to time period. Yudhisthira's was right then, and Duryodhan's is right now.

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