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Posted: 17 years ago
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Hi Folks
I ve been watching the constant tussle between the new MB lovers and haters, and thought it might be a good idea to list the good points of her Mahabharat. There are a few, inspite of her rewriting the script!
1) The clothes
For me this is the biggest plus. They are not garish unlike other mythologies and as for being immodest, well men and women 3000 years ago wore nothing but jewellery on the top half so its less immodest than reality! :) I suppose considering our Victorian mentality nowadays its impossible to believe, but if you see sculptures in old temples, they are very much like what people wore in those days.
One suggestion though: Considering that India is known for colours and beautiful embroidery, could Manish Malhotra pls give us some really trend setting clothes in a variety of colours and not just the black uniform that the people of Hastinapur seem to wear?
The Pandavas and the Kauravas would look good in colours!
2) Pace
Its definitely fast moving. However, I do think Ekta could reduce the number of zoom in zoom out effects, thunder and lightning, and instead show other side stories. The Mahabharat is filled with stories and she is racing ahead with the bare essentials.
3) Character Presentation
Though a number of people seem to think no character should deviate from the original epic, I think Ekta should be given the creative liberty of presenting Dhritarashtra or Duryodhana or Draupadi in her way, as long as it doesnt completely change the character or the story line. UNfortunately, in her eagerness to present the bad guys in a new angle, she has made Shakuni a comic.
Bheeshm and Satyavati are well presented though. I especially like Dhritarashtra, because for me its impossible to believe that anyone could not be jealous of a younger brother who is physically fit and has taken over the throne besides, while Dhritarashtra is blind. I m sure as a normal human being, inspite of the love and affection for Pandu, he must have definitely been jealous of Pandu. That was good thinking on Ekta's part. Also, though the dialogues are very saas bahu like, in reality Dhritarashtra put in all his love and ambition and frustration into Duryodhana, thats why he could never say no to him. So its completely believable that he would refuse to kill his son on birth or that he would want to get the throne for his adored son.
Again, though we havent read it anywhere its quite possible that Duryodhana was only slightly jealous of the pandavas when they first came back, and that he became really evil gradually over a period of years. Maybe he started out as a normal human being. IN fact in the original Mahabharat I believe its mentioned that he was a good king to his subjects. His only problem was his obsessive hatred of the Pandavas.
And now for the minus. I know the topic title doesnt talk about it but I just have to mention it.
Ekta definitely has the liberty to present characters and settings in a new style. However, she has inserted quite unnecessary sequences and stories while missing out existing ones. Krishna saving Duryodhan for example, I think thats really stretching it too far. He performed so many miracles, there's no need to create a new one ! What about Kalinga nardhana, killing kakasura, Putana and a host of others sent by Kamsa, lifting Govardhan mountain etc etc etc? If she shows these stories itself she wont have time for anything else! Similarly , she could have showed the rivalry between Kunti and Madri. Kunti in fact refuses to help madri with more children after she has twins, saying "that wicked woman fooled me, if i use the mantra again she will have more children than me". She missed that bit completely, and instead wasted time on comic and entirely fictional stories of Shakuni's wife and kids, and Bheeshm going away from Hastinapur. Again,someone on this forum mentioned that Bheeshm was shown killing someone from behind. If he had done that in reality, he would have lost all his honour! The consistency in presenting Bheeshm Pitamaha as an honourable upright old warrior was missing in that scene!
Anyway these are just my thoughts. Please feel free to comment!

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Posted: 17 years ago
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Hi..
Whatever you've written is 100% correct. you've mentioned everything.
i just wanted to make a point on costumes..Men wearing ONLY jewellery might be acceptable to some but Women doing that , that too in mythology will NEVER be accepted. I'm horrified by the way Satyavati, ambika , ambalika were presented. special mention for the maids. they are under dressed totally..there was no difference between a maid and Goddess Earth!!! Imagine if she uses this dress code for Gods and Goddesses! I agree Ramayan and MB costumes were cliched. those kavachs might look odd to some..but see Ekta made kans wear it ! if crowns are a cliche, then some form of a head gear must be worn, whether it's a turban or the kind which krishna is wearing....that's bec. it differentiates the royal from common people. and there are proofs in history tht all kings wear them. Till date on special occasions like marriages, grooms are made to wear something on their heads..basically cover their heads..the "form" differs with culture and religion. but it's there!
Rest, you've mentioned all the weal points..sorry to say , after this, nothing positive remains in favor of the show....Therez nothing "new" to this MB. If u wanna see a somewhat "modernized" version of mythos, watch jai shri krishna on colors channel. it's possible to be modern and comtemporary and rooted to the culture and traditions at the same time.
Charu
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Can anyone throw light on the jealousy between Kunti and Madri? I never knew about it and would be interested to gather knowledge about that.
thanks
Edited by Omshanti1111 - 17 years ago
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Posted: 17 years ago
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da song of shree krishna are reaallyy good... rite??
can anyone post the links
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Posted: 17 years ago
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http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m01/m01125.htm

SECTION CXXIV

(Sambhava Parva continued)

"Vaisampayana said, 'After the birth of Kunti's sons and also of the hundred sons of Dhritarashtra the daughter of the king of the Madras privately addressed Pandu, saying, 'O slayer of foes, I have no complaint even if thou beest unpropitious to me. I have, O sinless one, also no complaint that though by birth I am superior to Kunti yet I am inferior to her in station. I do not grieve, O thou of Kuru's race, that Gandhari hath obtained a hundred sons. This, however, is my great grief that while Kunti and I are equal, I should be childless, while it should so chance that thou shouldst have offspring by Kunti alone. If the daughter of Kuntibhoja should so provide that I should have offspring, she would then be really doing me a great favour and benefiting thee likewise. She being my rival, I feel a delicacy in soliciting any favour of her. If thou beest, O king, propitiously disposed to me, then ask her to grant my desire.'

"Hearing her, Pandu replied, 'O Madri, I do revolve this matter often in my own mind, but I have hitherto hesitated to tell thee anything, not knowing how thou wouldst receive it. Now that I know what your wishes are, I shall certainly strive after that end. I think that, asked by me, Kunti will not refuse.'

"Vaisampayana continued, 'After this, Pandu addressed Kunti in private, saying, 'O Kunti, grant me some more offspring for the expansion of my race and for the benefit of the world. O blessed one, provide thou that I myself, my ancestors, and thine also, may always have the funeral cake offered to us. O, do what is beneficial to me, and grant me and the world what, indeed, is the best of benefits. O, do what, indeed, may be difficult for thee, moved by the desire of achieving undying fame. Behold, Indra, even though he hath obtained the sovereignty of the celestials, doth yet, for fame alone, perform sacrifices. O handsome one, Brahmanas, well-acquainted with the Vedas, and having achieved high ascetic merit, do yet, for fame alone, approach their spiritual masters with reverence. So also all royal sages and Brahmanas possessed of ascetic wealth have achieved, for fame only, the most difficult of ascetic feat. Therefore, O blameless one, rescue this Madri as by a raft (by granting her the means of obtaining offspring), and achieve thou imperishable fame by making her a mother of children.'

"Thus addressed by her lord, Kunti readily yielded, and said unto Madri, 'Think thou, without loss of time, of some celestial, and thou shall certainly obtain from him a child like unto him.' Reflecting for a few moments. Madri thought of the twin Aswins, who coming unto her with speed begat upon her two sons that were twins named Nakula and Sahadeva, unrivalled on earth for personal beauty. And as soon as they were born, an incorporeal

voice said, 'In energy and beauty these twins shall transcend even the twin Aswins themselves.' Indeed possessed of great energy and beauty, they illumined the whole region.

"O king, after all the children were born the Rishis dwelling on the mountain of a hundred peaks uttering blessings on them and affectionately performing the first rites of birth, bestowed appellations on them. The eldest of Kunti's children was called Yudhishthira, the second Bhimasena, and the third Arjuna, and of Madri's sons, the first-born of the twins was called Nakula and the next Sahadeva. And those foremost sons born at an interval of one year after one another, looked like an embodied period of five years. And king Pandu, beholding his children of celestial beauty and of super-abundant energy, great strength and prowess, and of largeness of soul, rejoiced exceedingly. And the children became great favourites of the Rishis, as also of their wives, dwelling on the mountain of a hundred peaks.

"Some time after, Pandu again requested Kunti on behalf of Madri. Addressed, O king, by her lord in private, Kunti replied, 'Having given her the formula of invocation only once, she hath, O king, managed to obtain two sons. Have I not been thus deceived by her, I fear, O king, that she will soon surpass me in the number of her children. This, indeed, is the way of all wicked women. Fool that I was, I did not know that by invoking the twin gods I could obtain at one birth twin children. I beseech thee, O king, do not command me any further. Let this be the boon granted (by thee) to me.'

"Thus, O king, were born unto Pandu five sons who were begotten by celestials and were endued with great strength, and who all lived to achieve great fame and expand the Kuru race. Each bearing every auspicious mark on his person, handsome like Soma, proud as the lion, well-skilled in the use of the bow, and of leonine tread, breast, heart, eyes, neck and prowess, those foremost of men, resembling the celestials themselves in might, began to grow up. And beholding them and their virtues growing with years, the great Rishis dwelling on that snowcapped sacred mountain were filled with wonder. And the five Pandavas and the hundred sons of Dhritarashtra--that propagator of the Kuru race--grew up rapidly like a cluster of lotuses in a lake.'"

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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: luv_khwaish

Hi..

Whatever you've written is 100% correct. you've mentioned everything.
i just wanted to make a point on costumes..Men wearing ONLY jewellery might be acceptable to some but Women doing that , that too in mythology will NEVER be accepted. I'm horrified by the way Satyavati, ambika , ambalika were presented. special mention for the maids. they are under dressed totally..there was no difference between a maid and Goddess Earth!!! Imagine if she uses this dress code for Gods and Goddesses! I agree Ramayan and MB costumes were cliched. those kavachs might look odd to some..but see Ekta made kans wear it ! if crowns are a cliche, then some form of a head gear must be worn, whether it's a turban or the kind which krishna is wearing....that's bec. it differentiates the royal from common people. and there are proofs in history tht all kings wear them. Till date on special occasions like marriages, grooms are made to wear something on their heads..basically cover their heads..the "form" differs with culture and religion. but it's there!
Rest, you've mentioned all the weal points..sorry to say , after this, nothing positive remains in favor of the show....Therez nothing "new" to this MB. If u wanna see a somewhat "modernized" version of mythos, watch jai shri krishna on colors channel. it's possible to be modern and comtemporary and rooted to the culture and traditions at the same time.
Charu

Well, I agree that the costumes could have more colour than just black, and the head gear as well, but it is true that 5000 years ago men as well as women did not wear as much clothing as we do today. Turbans were worn by everyone, women used an upper garment called uttariya as a loose shawl as well as to cover the head if necessary , due to heat etc. The real difference lay in the quality of cloth and the jewels. A poor man would have very little jewellery, wheareas a king or a rich man would be loaded with gems and gold. The cloth would be richer.
Weak points.... well, the weakest point in Ekta's version is the storyline. She changes the actual story beyond anything that creative liberty would allow. ON the other hand, it is refreshing to see men and women dressed in something other than gaudy glittering clothes.
Her zoom in zoom outs are irritating, but then again, thats her way of directing. I feel that if she had stuck to the original story and with the same clothes and camera angles, people wouldnt be this angry. After all, content is the biggest thing and she's tampering with the script itself.
Sigh...... I merely wish she would stay true to Veda Vyas' Mahabharat. The rest is alright.
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: applesauce1313

Well, I agree that the costumes could have more colour than just black, and the head gear as well, but it is true that 5000 years ago men as well as women did not wear as much clothing as we do today. Turbans were worn by everyone, women used an upper garment called uttariya as a loose shawl as well as to cover the head if necessary , due to heat etc. The real difference lay in the quality of cloth and the jewels. A poor man would have very little jewellery, wheareas a king or a rich man would be loaded with gems and gold. The cloth would be richer.
Weak points.... well, the weakest point in Ekta's version is the storyline. She changes the actual story beyond anything that creative liberty would allow. ON the other hand, it is refreshing to see men and women dressed in something other than gaudy glittering clothes.
Her zoom in zoom outs are irritating, but then again, thats her way of directing. I feel that if she had stuck to the original story and with the same clothes and camera angles, people wouldnt be this angry. After all, content is the biggest thing and she's tampering with the script itself.
Sigh...... I merely wish she would stay true to Veda Vyas' Mahabharat. The rest is alright.

I agree there might not be any account of what those people wore in those times . May be they wore very less clothes. Early man and his decendents roamed around naked! I wanted to stress on one thing. Whatever the style and color of costumes be, they should be DECENT. I don't want to comment on the clothes of Godess Earth and Godess Parvati . At least spare Gods from dressing up shabbily . We don't want to visualize our Gods this way. Nobody is complaining that she didn't copy BR's Mahabharat..tht wud be ridiculous to say that everybody must copy the original Mahabharat. . may be it's me..i don't relate to her "perception of Mahabharat". If therez no accnt of the clothes worn at that time that doesn't mean she can experiment with it. She has fabulously shown Ganpati (she's a staunch follower of Ganeshji) to the minutest detail ....but she hasn't done justice with all the Gods and of course the characters of Mahabharat. They are a part of an epic which is respected in the Hindu religion. They were not normal ppl. from the history (even if we assume Mahabharat is just a story) ...What they wore, what they spoke, what they did matters a lot..Ekta can't show her own interpretation of Geeta right? or can she? 😕
Charu
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Posted: 17 years ago
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You see every maker will have their own version or their own way of saying a particular story but the problem arises when you are doing something concerning a popular mythological show...most people know the story, at least gist of the popular version and if you are doing it for television you should stick to it as people are watching the same sitting at their drawing room. If it was a film or a stage play you still could have shown a different version but for TV, no way.....Long back I saw an one act play on stage, by a popular bengali stage artist where Mahabharat was depicted through the eyes of Draupadi, fabulous and wonderful play...ran house full for days but then it cannot be called the popular version....and some points to be noted

1: Black though beautiful is connected with the bad or the evil
2: Headgear is must as in India those days men thought it degrading to go without one...
3: Though men and women wore similar kind of clothes/ organaments and women did not necessarily cover their heads as it was pre-islamic period but both of them carried a shwal type of clothing...
Before I conclude I would once again like to state that these things would have made little difference if the show stuck to the popular storyline, good acting, less camera gimick, sothing music etc., opulant sets are not needed if the story was told well and simply and backed up by capable actors....Your thoughts my friends, Tin
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: tintiny

You see every maker will have their own version or their own way of saying a particular story but the problem arises when you are doing something concerning a popular mythological show...most people know the story, at least gist of the popular version and if you are doing it for television you should stick to it as people are watching the same sitting at their drawing room. If it was a film or a stage play you still could have shown a different version but for TV, no way.....Long back I saw an one act play on stage, by a popular bengali stage artist where Mahabharat was depicted through the eyes of Draupadi, fabulous and wonderful play...ran house full for days but then it cannot be called the popular version....and some points to be noted

1: Black though beautiful is connected with the bad or the evil
2: Headgear is must as in India those days men thought it degrading to go without one...
3: Though men and women wore similar kind of clothes/ organaments and women did not necessarily cover their heads as it was pre-islamic period but both of them carried a shwal type of clothing...
Before I conclude I would once again like to state that these things would have made little difference if the show stuck to the popular storyline, good acting, less camera gimick, sothing music etc., opulant sets are not needed if the story was told well and simply and backed up by capable actors....Your thoughts my friends, Tin

Exactly what I said in my post. If the content had not been tampered with, no one would have bothered that much about the clothes, the settings etc, or even the camera angles! Most of the posts by the so called MB haters is about the changing story. And the clothes and headgear merely add to their irritation. For those who are watching the MB for the first time, they obviously dont know the story and so focus on the stylised clothes and sets and the actors and say they like it. Well I like some of the actors too, and I repeat, if only Ekta would stick to Ved Vyas story people wouldnt get so upset about other things and there wouldnt be so many fights on this forum between MB lovers and haters!
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: applesauce1313

Exactly what I said in my post. If the content had not been tampered with, no one would have bothered that much about the clothes, the settings etc, or even the camera angles! Most of the posts by the so called MB haters is about the changing story. And the clothes and headgear merely add to their irritation. For those who are watching the MB for the first time, they obviously dont know the story and so focus on the stylised clothes and sets and the actors and say they like it. Well I like some of the actors too, and I repeat, if only Ekta would stick to Ved Vyas story people wouldnt get so upset about other things and there wouldnt be so many fights on this forum between MB lovers and haters!

Anybody who knows the real story, has done research on it, read the complete epic will know whether or not the story is tampered with. What percentage of people fall in this category. Hence we can't categorically point out that she's wrong here or there. Acc. to me, in the narration she might be ok but rest all the things are unsatisfactory. For me, bec. I'm a BR's Mahabharat fan, it's difficult to digest this sub standard work. When I have something much much better to watch, why am i gonna watch this nonsense? if i wanna watch these actors, i can do tht on any channel , if i wanna see these costumes, i can watch ashoka or any period movie for that matter, if i wanna see those camera angles, i can watch them any minute ,on any channel, i already know the story. I can't find any good reason to watch it.
Charu

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