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Posted: a day ago

Originally posted by: Clochette

Even the best VFX can't replace genuine emotions... and personally, I felt that what I saw till date lacked 'heart'.

They want to make a spectacle that’s the Indian answer to LOTR and Avatar franchise. They’re not looking to make Indian content that’s globally appealing based in the way it’s rooted in the Indian culture and ethos that appeals to human emotions that are universal and yet uniquely Indian in origin.

These people think the bigger the better, they fail to comprehend that the world has accepted Indian movies that have even been OTT when we have been authentic to ourselves and haven’t tried to appeal to the global community as we tried to please every single demographic out there. Be it RRR, Baahubali franchise, Dhurandhar franchise recently - they have set records because they’re unapologetically Indian. Varanasi again will recreate this feat because men like Rajamouli and Dhar know, if your story is true to its roots, it finds takers everywhere. Malhotra has sadly forgotten this core concept.


How can a product of his have heart when he thinks it’s success is defined by the approval of audiences for whom this movie maybe an introduction to Ram, while he ignored the very people who grow up with Ram and on whose final journey, the word Ram is integral as their body is carried out to the cremation ground.

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Posted: a day ago

Originally posted by: EkPaheli

... These people think the bigger the better, they fail to comprehend that the world has accepted Indian movies that have even been OTT when we have been authentic to ourselves and haven’t tried to appeal to the global community as we tried to please every single demographic out there. Be it RRR, Baahubali franchise, Dhurandhar franchise recently - they have set records because they’re unapologetically Indian. Varanasi again will recreate this feat because men like Rajamouli and Dhar know, if your story is true to its roots, it finds takes everywhere. Malhotra has sadly forgotten this core concept. ...

Exactly. Also other movies who didn't try to be 'Western' but kept to be Indian in their content (even with praised VFX) got success in Western countries (and not only among the NRI audience). It makes me sad when I see the misplaced admiration for Hollywood having a negative impact on the 'Indianess' of Indian Cinema.

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Posted: a day ago

Originally posted by: Clochette

Exactly. Also other movies who didn't try to be 'Western' but kept to be Indian in their content (even with praised VFX) got success in Western countries (and not only among the NRI audience). It makes me sad when I see the misplaced admiration for Hollywood having a negative impact on the 'Indianess' of Indian Cinema.

There’s a famous saying in India that has its own regional way of saying the same thing which means - When people try to sail in two boats simultaneously, they’re bound to sink.

These people are trying to sail in the Indian content and International approval boats simply that this could be one of the worst disasters of Bollywood. I mean, how do you expect to make profits on these movies when you say that they’re mounted on a budget of 4000 crores?! What exactly do you expect consider as a breakeven point?

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Posted: a day ago

Actually, I doubt that the budget number (even if it may be for both the movies) is correct... it reeks dishonesty to me.

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Posted: 5 hours ago

Originally posted by: Clochette

Actually, I doubt that the budget number (even if it may be for both the movies) is correct... it reeks dishonesty to me.

I doubt it too. I know it’s certainly an expensive franchise to make and can believe that they have spent upwards of 1000 crores for sure, can only know the high end of that figure once the second one is out probably. But I don’t think they went beyond 2000 in both movies combined, even if they have extraordinary VFX, and I say that figure as well because we know RK is reportedly charging 150, Yash 100 and Sunny Deol 40 crores both movies combined. That nearly 300 crores just between 3 actors.

But that figure being flaunted is exactly why this move seems really stupid. Like in a typical movie that is made say at an average budget of around 100 crores given the inflated numbers these days with designer clothes and all thrown in, the movie needs to make at a bare minimum approximately the amount would need to be in the range of 200-250 crores for everyone to make some decent money back including distributers, cinema chains and even single screen owners, let alone the production house/s involved in the making of the movie. The figure needs to be a massive 8000 crores plus. So far it’s been reported that the movie may release in 5 regional languages in India and approximately 4 foreign languages. There maybe subtitles for native speakers where the movie releases in either Hindi or English and not the local language. But that still doesn’t seem to cut it if you ask me.

Within India and the Indian diaspora these actors all have a fanbase but not necessarily everyone is a fan of all or even either of the actors in the cast. I for example am not a fan of a single cast member. There maybe a handful more like me but we are there. Beyond that there maybe a certain reach in international audiences but come on, even then it’s not like they can recover even a fraction of the budget. So it’s quite bonkers why they would even mention this number.

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Posted: 3 hours ago

Every number mentioned - alleged budget or alleged actors' fees - is published for a purpose... I won't name those that are suspected to wash black money because there is no clear proof I could bring on the table ... the fact that a Western VFX compagny (DNEG already won 8 oscars) allowed the Indian branch (CEO Namrit Malhotra) to deal with Ramayana tells a lot about the possibilities...

It is so sad that the opposition is such a mess - with an (imo) incompetent leader...and no solution relative to corruption.

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Posted: an hour ago

Originally posted by: Clochette

Every number mentioned - alleged budget or alleged actors' fees - is published for a purpose... I won't name those that are suspected to wash black money because there is no clear proof I could bring on the table ... the fact that a Western VFX compagny (DNEG already won 8 oscars) allowed the Indian branch (CEO Namrit Malhotra) to deal with Ramayana tells a lot about the possibilities...

It is so sad that the opposition is such a mess - with an (imo) incompetent leader...and no solution relative to corruption.

Oh it’s a money laundering scam, that’s obvious to anyone who’s thinking about this logically even if they don’t understand the inner workings of the system.

Regarding the corruption and opposition, I think it’s linked in this case and the opposition might intentionally not highlight anything related to this movie. You see the numbers, I see something else in the larger picture.

The second movie, undoubtedly touted to be the bigger deal as its budget will be also worth more than the first one, considering its gonna be the concluding chapter with battle sequences that require more money, is releasing in Diwali 2027.

Corporate bookings aren’t a secret anymore and it’s very likely that despite whatever reception the movie gets organically, there will be corporate bookings for the same to keep the movie in the theatres for as long as possible to show money being minted.

The movie will release close to the end of October in 2027, - on 28/29. They will try to make sure that the movie is in the theatres at least until the beginning of 2028, if not well into 2028.

India’s next General Elections are slated to be held in 2029, exactly the next year and if they stick to schedule then April/May we go to vote and depending on the dates and the number of rounds the voting happens in, by June the winners will be swearing in.


The government has cancelled FCRA licenses in the hundreds if not thousands, frozen bank accounts of suspicious individuals and organisations as well. FCRA is basically a special licensing system in India that allows any NGO, organisation, company, corporation or even individuals who have legally registered with the taxing authority of India to have foreign transactions in their accounts. As in, these people can legally have multiple foreign transactions from all over the world in their accounts wherein they don’t require to repeatedly request the bank to process any transactions in their accounts whether incoming or outgoing be it in any amount or any currency. They pay whatever taxes are owed to the government at the end of every financial year and since these are considered “legal entries” or white money, the various agencies and departments cannot come after them without a solid evidence trail that they need to present to the courts to even get a warrant to conduct any form of investigation let alone make arrests.

In India, previously these licenses were issued basically to any Tom, Dick and Harry who submitted a few basic documents, filed an application and paid the fees without any explanation being asked from them. You could register yourself as an NGO for blind children or street kids or are a startup that’s experimenting with a new variant of khakra and theplas that is getting money from Timbuktu and Toronto alike and no one would bat an eye or even verify if you genuinely exist as an NGO or a startup, if you’re a decades old business or a brand new company. This meant a lot of fraudulent activities and a lot of money being pumped into India with no accountability and no consequences whatsoever. The money could then be spent for anything and everything. You could show expenses ranging from one time large purchases like electronic equipments that you would need and furniture to renovations and repairs to regular transactions like you’re paying 10 employees, rent, utilities etc. for an office that doesn’t even exist; not to mention travel expenses and allowances for yourself and your employees that are fake. There was no real limit to what amount you could get or withdraw as well at any given point of time. You could get crores in the morning and empty your account by afternoon. Show a fake paper trail to account for your expenses and you’ll get away with anything.

Now, that’s not the case anymore. Your license will be cancelled if you’re found violating the terms of your agreement per which the license was issued to you. If you claim to be an NGO working for blind people or for special needs children, you need to show proof of your work in the area. You need to have a real registered license to operate your NGO, provide real documentation for your address, bills can’t be vague and your employees can’t have an unlimited travel budget without any concrete work to show for it. If you receive an amount beyond a reasonable limit then the bank is supposed to flag the same amount, transactions that are found fishy are subject to be held in lieu until they are deemed legit.

In short, a lot of transactions that were happening previously under the guise of foreign transactions for multiple smaller entities are now being redirected into movie business with these two movies being hyped up particularly as they think the scale can justify the amount…

The opposition is not the one who should be paying attention here - the relevant authorities in ED, IT and other agencies are. Because this large an amount of, almost one year prior to an important election is not coincidental. Given that the speculation and buzz is that this might even be the first election which can happen under ONOE scheme, if it’s implemented, the stakes are even higher and scarier.

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Posted: an hour ago

Exactly what you're telling here, I was told, too (excluding the Ramayana movie details).

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Posted: 45 minutes ago

Originally posted by: Clochette

Exactly what you're telling here, I was told, too (excluding the Ramayana movie details).

Oh, interesting.

Movies have been used before. Dangal is considered the movie that has made the most money in the history of Indian cinema so far. Crazy part is that the amount is in the range of 2000 crores and Dangal made close to 400 crores in India but thrice the amount in China and the rest from the other territories, television rights, OTT deals etc.

Prior to this, no Indian movie made even half the money in China, nor since. Coincidentally, the movie was released a couple of months after we had demonitisation and a large chunk of money was basically rendered useless.

No movie even by Aamir Khan himself has been well received in China since. You would think that the man would be a legit superstar there and if this was the reception his movie got but there’s no Aamir Khan fan club in China, no invitations to any movie related events in China or even any collaboration with any Chinese movie maker announced. Given the numbers, the movie should have opened doors for Bollywood and other Indian film industries in China… but no such thing.

The timing of the release tells us a different reality in retrospect than what is claimed, but unfortunately there’s no evidence to prove otherwise, at least so far. Maybe something can pop up in the future, who knows. Wouldn’t surprise me at all if the government has all the receipts already but is mum for some reason. Sometimes some cards are not opened publicly, not when keeping them close to the chest is worth more than putting them on the table.

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