Kyunki Saas Bhi Kabhi Bahu Thi 2 - EDT #10 - Page 14

Originally posted by: SlatePencil

Judge should ask Garima with whom she wants to stay. No kid deserves to stay with such a monster even for a second.

A 5 year old kid knows nothing. what will she be able to tell if asked

by the way where is Angad... He bailed Ranvijay and gayab??

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Explained pretty well. Karan wasn't the favourite of Tulsi, he became the favourite of Tulsi.

By handling her over the Mandira investment he had built solely by his efforts and money without Virani support. Contrast this to Gautam who wanted to have the family money (generational wealth) in which he had little to no contribution in creation. Not saying Gautam was wrong in fighting for what was his, I am just highlighting the contrast and expectations Tulsi had from her children.

By giving everything possible to ensure Tulsi isn't punished for kiIIing Ansh or Savita by understanding her POV when the family was against her

By handling the business and ensuring family doesn't fall upon when Mihir and family was on a very docile turn after Tulsi was imprisoned in Ansh' case .

By fighting for Shobha and Vishal against Abhishek (while Gautam was supporting Abhishek). Even before there was a scene before Vishal's death when he says that he can only trust Karan now.. Why would Vishal have any soft corner for Karan? They hardly interacted but Vishal had seen how much Karan cared for Shobha and could have done anything for her and thereby him. Not many people remember but Karan had gone to Switzerland not following Ansh Nandani but because he got a clue that Vishal would be in danger. Even out of the family, he kept tabs on all the family members.

By risking his life and entering Aditya Gujral's terrain (and Aditya never actually liked Karan) just so as to free Gautam.

Gautam wasn't selfless as Karan. and imp there is nothing wrong in that. He had suffered a lot as a kid and wanted to get everything that was taken away from him. But then Tuhir had a different expectation from their eldest son.. They wanted the eldest son to be someone who can be as selfless as possible. So naturally they started having Karan take all the responsibilities (I doubt even he has any shares, he too started his business that excelled, and Ba's property to Parth was only for him to hand over to Tulsi)

Aside Gautam never had the business acumen that Karan had.. nor the leadership quality. He always remained a supporter or a follower when in came to taking business actions.. He wasn't a good judge of people either to have selected Kabir and Kamya.

Now Gautam has a resentment on why he isn't the same important as Karan.

Saying that Gautam was right. if my son doesn't reply to my phone call after me calling him 10 times and doesn't even call back, my first step would be to find out where he is. I wouldn't ignore him. It was stupid of Gautam to compare that part with what would Tulsi do in case Karan was in his place but that what he implied was completely right

Aside I admire that he isn't bitter towards Pari Hritik and Angad, he knows they are too young to have any issues against them, but Karan was his actual competition and he sees family treating him over the eldest son...

My personal theory is that we shouldn’t even take everything Gautam says at face value here in this conversation because we don’t have the full picture. Not the two sides of the story - we don’t know what went wrong in his marriage from Damini’s POV and it’s essential to this whole issue as much.

Damini was not a leader, she wasn’t dynamic but she wasn’t greedy or selfish either. Not as is being implied here that she left Gautam solely as money became an issue. There are always multiple reasons why a relationship goes wrong not always one.

I think at some point something happened in their marriage that started a rift, a strain. Maybe it happened owing to the kidnapping incident you mentioned. Damini iirc didn’t have a strong stand against Gautam when it was revealed he was the mastermind though she was hurt and angry obviously.

If the writers have that track in mind as the seed of their problems it makes sense. The incident scarred and broke something within Damini perhaps as a woman, a wife, a mom.

She had picked this man over Karan… and he had done something so despicable to their own children and for what - money? Karan was out there going crazy and risking it all for a girl who wasn’t even his own… she was rather the physical embodiment of the incident that would always hurt the woman he loved. Yet he was out there trying to save her and the other children of the family.

I mean… hard not to think about these things. Not when you have had a romantic history with both the brothers who turned out to be as different as chalk and cheese.

Damini settled for Gautam even when he duped her into a marriage because she felt he was a good man, as she had no courage to go against her parents and worse, endure the kind of taunts and insults that would be sure to come her way if she was to break her marriage and then end up marrying Karan, who was Gautam’s younger stepbrother. She made peace with her decision by focusing on Gautam’s positive traits.

But settlement doesn’t erase history.

Settlement doesn’t guarantee everlasting love and peace and it certainly doesn’t ensure that you won’t regret or second guess your decisions again at some point.

Karan was a choice Damini made, Gautam was an imposition life made on her - there’s a distinct difference between the two as it is.

Had Karan been an awful husband and father to Damini and her children, she would’ve been heartbroken and hurt, angry and carried resentment but also she had to take the responsibility and accountability of picking him all by herself even as her parents opposed him, much like the case with Pari and Ran. He is her choice and she must live with the consequences of what he turned out to be like, for her own wrongful judgment.

Gautam was someone she had no choice about from the moment he set things in motion for a revenge that didn’t even make sense to begin with. Karan didn’t orchestrate the accident that would also kill his own mom just to hurt Gautam. Rather it was a testament to how shallow Gautam’s love for Teesha was that the first thing he could think of after her death to avenge her was - must marry again with Karan’s girlfriend! How could this possibly be imagined as justice for Teesha and their unborn child was beyond me even back then. Man couldn’t wait a year before remarrying post the death of his first love, possibly the love of his life. Didn’t take too long to move on and fall in love with his new wife either.

It’s possible that Gautam is now resentful of Karan because Damini in a heated moment ended up taunting him how he lacked in comparison to Karan, someone she could have been perfectly happy and content with had he not snatched the opportunity from her by playing his games and ruining her life. Karan was her first choice, the man she would have married if not for him and now not only was he more successful than Gautam, providing as good a life for his wife and kids as possible, he was also the one who was being picked by not just Gautam’s own parents now as their favourite child but even Baa, their great grandmother would pick Karan’s son as her heir over Gautam or any of his children as she felt that Karan would pass on the kind of values that made his son more worthy of the inheritance than whatever Gautam could ever do.

Maybe Damini took this a step further to hit him further below the belt in her rage and implied that the only reason why Parth would be picked was also to not hurt his feelings as Parth was a child. But effectively until he came of age, Karan as his father was the de facto successor entrusted with their family’s legacy over Gautam.

Yes, Gautam has a valid complaint against his parents for just… ignoring him. If he didn’t call them back or talk to them despite repeated attempts one of them surely could have flown to his place in Bengaluru or London or wherever he was if not both. But they were too busy raising the Kapadia trio.

However, Gautam has also said that he lied to his parents as well regarding his marriage. If you lie to your parents they’ll not always know that - so there’s some accountability for this mess even on Gautam’s side. He can’t be mad at his parents for not knowing what ails him when he refuses to share and moreover states himself that he lied and hid things from them regarding his troubles.

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

A 5 year old kid knows nothing. what will she be able to tell if asked

I know she is too young but she should be asked with whom she wants to stay. Kids don't lie. Her response can give some hints about who can be a better parent for her.

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

by the way where is Angad... He bailed Ranvijay and gayab??

Angad is not even feeling guilty for bailing RV after which RV got the opportunity to kidnap Garima and then tried to kill Pari. Angad be like bas kar diya to kar diya

Originally posted by: A_Star39

I guess gautam is the non mahaan suputra of viranis

Pari turned out evil

They wanted to make female version of gautam but pari and gautam dont sit right

They should have got gautam's daughter in picture too.Tulsi doesnt have a grown grand daughter.They could have used gautam and damini's daughter and probably shown her trauma of her parents's seperation and gautam's abandonment issues.

They could have shown a parallel where pari got everything from her family and gautam's daughter suffered the brunt of parents divorce and issues. If they pick a good actress then New Gen can have a character that could have a strong back story.

I could imagine Tulsi's grand daughter questioning her on why she let kiran and aarti have gautam.

Gautam has some legitimate issues and he’s not wrong in some ways but trust me he’s not as bad and ungrateful as Pari.

For all his faults and flaws, he had an intense, deep and vitriolic disgust towards Mandira and his attitude towards Noina is probably gonna be not too chummy either, even if he might team up with her against his family and parents. In his own way he stood up for his mom yesterday while shading Mihir and subtly also addressing their looks which were bound to be brought up as a joke.

Gautam never tried to hurt Tulsi the way Pari did by making sure another woman was able to come between his parents. For all his flaws, he never crossed that line.

Originally posted by: EkPaheli

Gautam has some legitimate issues and he’s not wrong in some ways but trust me he’s not as bad and ungrateful as Pari.

For all his faults and flaws, he had an intense, deep and vitriolic disgust towards Mandira and his attitude towards Noina is probably gonna be not too chummy either, even if he might team up with her against his family and parents. In his own way he stood up for his mom yesterday while shading Mihir and subtly also addressing their looks which were bound to be brought up as a joke.

Gautam never tried to hurt Tulsi the way Pari did by making sure another woman was able to come between his parents. For all his flaws, he never crossed that line.

I guess only karan and gautamand angad stood up for tulsi against mihir's noina kaand

Karan:Before leap taunted mihir for him betraying tulsi second time.He wouldnt want her to go back

Angad:Is angry at mihir too and wouldnt want her to be back with viranis

Gautam:Shaded mihir in his resentment of his parents but wouldnt care of what tulsi does with mihir

Shobha,pari and ritik are mostly thinking that tulsi will be back with mihir and have a la la la happily ever after.

Gautam is probably a proper grey character.

Tuhir dont have any fault in what happened with his marriage tho.Gautam is very complex.

Originally posted by: EkPaheli

My personal theory is that we shouldn’t even take everything Gautam says at face value here in this conversation because we don’t have the full picture. Not the two sides of the story - we don’t know what went wrong in his marriage from Damini’s POV and it’s essential to this whole issue as much.

Damini was not a leader, she wasn’t dynamic but she wasn’t greedy or selfish either. Not as is being implied here that she left Gautam solely as money became an issue. There are always multiple reasons why a relationship goes wrong not always one.

I think at some point something happened in their marriage that started a rift, a strain. Maybe it happened owing to the kidnapping incident you mentioned. Damini iirc didn’t have a strong stand against Gautam when it was revealed he was the mastermind though she was hurt and angry obviously.

If the writers have that track in mind as the seed of their problems it makes sense. The incident scarred and broke something within Damini perhaps as a woman, a wife, a mom.

She had picked this man over Karan… and he had done something so despicable to their own children and for what - money? Karan was out there going crazy and risking it all for a gir who wasn’t even his own… she was rather the physical embodiment of the incident that would always hurt the woman he loved. Yet he was out there trying to save her and the other children of the family.

I mean… hard not to think about these things. Not when you have had a romantic history with both the brothers who turned out to be as different as chalk and cheese.

Damini settled for Gautam even when he duped her into a marriage because she felt he was a good man, as she had no courage to go against her parents and worse, endure the kind of taunts and insults that would be sure to come her way if she was to break her marriage and then end up marrying Karan, who was Gautam’s younger stepbrother. She made peace with her decision by focusing on Gautam’s positive traits.

But settlement doesn’t erase history.

Settlement doesn’t guarantee everlasting love and peace and it certainly doesn’t ensure that you won’t regret or second guess your decisions again at some point.

Karan was a choice Damini made, Gautam was an imposition life made on her - there’s a distinct difference between the two as it is.

Had Karan been an awful husband and father to Damini and her children, she would’ve been heartbroken and hurt, angry and carried resentment but also she had to take the responsibility and accountability of picking him all by herself even as her parents opposed him, much like the case with Pari and Ran. He is her choice and she must live with the consequences of what he turned out to be like, for her own wrongful judgment.

Gautam was someone she had no choice about from the moment he set things in motion for a revenge that didn’t even make sense to begin with. Karan didn’t orchestrate the accident that would also kill his own mom just to hurt Gautam. Rather it was a testament to how shallow Gautam’s love for Teesha was that the first thing he could think of after her death to avenge her was - must marry again with Karan’s girlfriend! How could this possibly be imagined as justice for Teesha and their unborn child was beyond me even back then. Man couldn’t wait a year before remarrying post the death of his first love, possibly the love of his life. Didn’t take too long to move on and fall in love with his new wife either.

It’s possible that Gautam is now resentful of Karan because Damini in a heated moment ended up taunting him how he lacked in comparison to Karan, someone she could have been perfectly happy and content with had he not snatched the opportunity from her by playing his games and ruining her life. Karan was her first choice, the man she would have married if not for him and now not only was he more successful than Gautam, providing as good a life for his wife and kids as possible, he was also the one who was being picked by not just Gautam’s own parents now as their favourite child but even Baa, their great grandmother would pick Karan’s son as her heir over Gautam or any of his children as she felt that Karan would pass on the kind of values that made his son more worthy of the inheritance than whatever Gautam could ever do.

Maybe Damini took this a step further to hit him further below the belt in her rage and implied that the only reason why Parth would be picked was also to not hurt his feelings as Parth was a child. But effectively until he came of age, Karan as his father was the de facto successor entrusted with their family’s legacy over Gautam.

Yes, Gautam has a valid complaint against his parents for just… ignoring him. If he didn’t call them back or talk to them despite repeated attempts one of them surely could have flown to his place in Bengaluru or London or wherever he was if not both. But they were too busy raising the Kapadia trio.

However, Gautam has also said that he lied to his parents as well regarding his marriage. If you lie to your parents they’ll not always know that - so there’s some accountability for this mess even on Gautam’s side. He can’t be mad at his parents for not knowing what ails him when he refuses to share and moreover states himself that he lied and hid things from them regarding his troubles.

wow this is so detailed and insightful. Actually makers should take this view. The reason for Gautam 's issues is also his insecurities and not being as excellent as Karan.. That he tries to conceal with a thought that Karan was favoured.

About Gautam Damini that entire track seemed so off to me, yes he did maintain a meaningful and respectful distance with Damini till she didn't consent but what else??

Why did he even link Teesha's death to Karan? Remaining how is marrying the girl any revenge even if Karan was responsible. I mean Karan hardly bothered. He immediately took that episode for his advantage making Damini his spy in SN. Even when Damini decided to give her relation with Gautam a chance, Karan was fine. He had been amused with Nandani even before he entered SN. Damini was at most a beautiful chapter of his past.. He had already once let go Damini, that happening second time was nothing huge. Rather it was an injustice to Gautam 's love to Teesha.

On that note, I never understood the relation between Damini and Karan. Were they really in love?? No one can move on so easily the way they did. Within a month or so of Damini moving on, Karan was enjoying with Nandani (he never could move on from Nandani after her marriage even before he knew she was being mistreated in the marriage) Damini was making peace with Gautam within months. They didn't even give us a proper journey for Damini Gautam

Probably Damini was never loved by either. She was an infatuation for Karan and wife to move on for Gautam

For Damini before Gautam it was the family that attracted her. She loved this family and didn't want to leave. That was one place where Gautam surpassed Karan by miles. But later not only Karan entered the same family, he became the favourite.. He got everything that Damini would have thought Gautam will get, to top that Gautam never thought much while doing wrong. Damini regretting her decision was probably normal..

Makers Should take this cue. Especially if Hiten is really returning. They can also Karan taking care of Gautam's children further infuriating Gautam

Originally posted by: SlatePencil

I know she is too young but she should be asked with whom she wants to stay. Kids don't lie. Her response can give some hints about who can be a better parent for her.

my son is around the same age.

if you ask him with whom he wants to stay 5 he will give a different answer each time

Responses of kids that young live in moment. if she last remembers RV gifting her a chocolate and Pari asking her to study, she will select RV

Tulsi won.