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Hopefully now no one will ship nashwa with amaar. Just ship amaar with jail

Originally posted by: blahblah131

You guys started the "Nurture Vs Nature" debate in the last thread.

What we know is that when a baby is born, he/she is not a criminal.

Here are some points after googling;

1. Nurture: If someone grows up in a harmful or unstable environment that can seriously affect how they think, behave, and handle emotions. Growing up in those settings increases the risk of someone engaging in criminal behaviour later.

2. Nature: Some people might be born with traits that make them more likely to act out — like being impulsive, less empathetic, or having difficulty controlling anger. Still, those traits don’t automatically make someone a criminal.

Though,I agree with your point I think personal responsibility plays a crucial role. Not everyone raised in a toxic household ends up becoming a criminal. Ultimately, it’s up to the individual to decide who they want to become. The choices Ammar made and the path he took are his alone, and he is entirely accountable for them.

Ammar and Nashwa’s contrasting paths highlight the complexity of upbringing and personal responsibility. Ammar, who had every luxury and support, was spoiled by his parents, especially his father, who often tried to cover up his wrongdoings. The comparison to others, like Nashwa and Burhan, was a constant part of his life. While it's true that comparisons are inevitable in every child's life —whether with siblings or cousins—it doesn’t mean that every child who faces this becomes unhinged or criminal. Ammar’s choices were his own, and while Bakhtiyar’s failure to discipline him played a role, Ammar is ultimately responsible for his actions. His fans may want to blame Bakhtiyar entirely, but that ignores the fact that Ammar, as an adult, knew the consequences of his decisions.

On the other hand, Nashwa, despite growing up in the same toxic household—losing her father and living under the mercy of her uncle—didn’t spiral into crime. She faced hardships yet managed to become a lawyer on her own. Her journey, though marked by mistakes and frustrations, reflects her resilience and growth. Nashwa is human, not perfect, but her ability to rise above her circumstances is commendable.

I also want to add that the whole debate around Nashwa’s potential pregnancy and whether she "deserves" to be Burhan’s wife, or the idea that only Beenish's child deserves Burhan as a father, is deeply problematic. If we can sympathize with Beenish and her child, then Nashwa and her child deserve the same empathy. The notion that the female lead has to be "pure" and exclusive to the male lead, while hatred is directed at her for anything that challenges that, is a harmful mindset.

If the roles were reversed, and Burhan had a child with a toxic partner, the same people would likely have no issue with Nashwa accepting his child. If that’s acceptable, then why isn’t this?

Honestly, the entire debate around Nashwa's child has become a distraction from the core of the show. This story isn’t supposed to revolve around such petty judgments; it’s about something much deeper. What we’re really witnessing is how karma will eventually catch up with the perpetrators and hit them where it hurts the most. The focus should be on the inevitable consequences of their actions, how their choices will lead to their own downfall.The narrative is shifting towards the idea that no one escapes the repercussions of their wrongdoings, and that’s the essence of the story.

Originally posted by: nightingale1234

I also want to add that the whole debate around Nashwa’s potential pregnancy and whether she "deserves" to be Burhan’s wife, or the idea that only Beenish's child deserves Burhan as a father, is deeply problematic. If we can sympathize with Beenish and her child, then Nashwa and her child deserve the same empathy. The notion that the female lead has to be "pure" and exclusive to the male lead, while hatred is directed at her for anything that challenges that, is a harmful mindset.

If the roles were reversed, and Burhan had a child with a toxic partner, the same people would likely have no issue with Nashwa accepting his child. If that’s acceptable, then why isn’t this?

Honestly, the entire debate around Nashwa's child has become a distraction from the core of the show. This story isn’t supposed to revolve around such petty judgments; it’s about something much deeper. What we’re really witnessing is how karma will eventually catch up with the perpetrators and hit them where it hurts the most. The focus should be on the inevitable consequences of their actions, how their choices will lead to their own downfall.The narrative is shifting towards the idea that no one escapes the repercussions of their wrongdoings, and that’s the essence of the story.

Perfectly put. Nothing can justify Ammar act. He has chosen this path and I hope they don't whitewash or try to give justification, that because he was constantly mocked by Bakhtiyar, he became like this.

Also About Nashwa pregnancy, I am not talking from Burhan pov. I still stick to the fact that Nashwa and Burhan are incompatible and their marriage won't last mainly because of Nashwa fighter quake nature . I don't want this child to come because then this trauma will keep continuing and Nashwa can actually never be free from that house. And it is big gamble, on whom the child goes. If he gets even 1 percent of Ammars genes, Nashwa life will be doomed.

Regarding Burhan taking Ammar case, Daniel has written on Instagram that ,now the tables have changed for everyone and the real test for relationships start now.

What is your opinion about Burhan defending Ammar. There is not an iota of doubt, that Ammar has killed Asad. So why is Burhan defending him. Won't this be considered immoral and kind of enabler to Ammar crimes. In directly Burhan is encouraging his crimes. Never expected this from him

Originally posted by: pilot100

Perfectly put. Nothing can justify Ammar act. He has chosen this path and I hope they don't whitewash or try to give justification, that because he was constantly mocked by Bakhtiyar, he became like this.

Also About Nashwa pregnancy, I am not talking from Burhan pov. I still stick to the fact that Nashwa and Burhan are incompatible and their marriage won't last mainly because of Nashwa fighter quake nature . I don't want this child to come because then this trauma will keep continuing and Nashwa can actually never be free from that house. And it is big gamble, on whom the child goes. If he gets even 1 percent of Ammars genes, Nashwa life will be doomed.

Regarding Burhan taking Ammar case, Daniel has written on Instagram that ,now the tables have changed for everyone and the real test for relationships start now.

What is your opinion about Burhan defending Ammar. There is not an iota of doubt, that Ammar has killed Asad. So why is Burhan defending him. Won't this be considered immoral and kind of enabler to Ammar crimes. In directly Burhan is encouraging his crimes. Never expected this from him

Definitely. Everyone already knows Ammar killed Asad mercilessly. I'm also curious why an established lawyer like Burhan would take on a case that seems to jeopardize his reputation, morals, and conscience. This would make him and enabler too.I really hope the reason isn’t something as weak as "freeing Nashwa," because that doesn’t make sense. It would be much easier for her to just get a divorce, especially when it's clear Ammar is the murderer and will likely be sentenced to life for killing an on-duty officer .

Nashwa could still find a way to free herself without Burhan getting caught up in all this mess.

Let’s wait for the next few episodes to see how they justify this.

Originally posted by: nightingale1234

Though,I agree with your point I think personal responsibility plays a crucial role. Not everyone raised in a toxic household ends up becoming a criminal. Ultimately, it’s up to the individual to decide who they want to become. The choices Ammar made and the path he took are his alone, and he is entirely accountable for them.

Ammar and Nashwa’s contrasting paths highlight the complexity of upbringing and personal responsibility. Ammar, who had every luxury and support, was spoiled by his parents, especially his father, who often tried to cover up his wrongdoings. The comparison to others, like Nashwa and Burhan, was a constant part of his life. While it's true that comparisons are inevitable in every child's life —whether with siblings or cousins—it doesn’t mean that every child who faces this becomes unhinged or criminal. Ammar’s choices were his own, and while Bakhtiyar’s failure to discipline him played a role, Ammar is ultimately responsible for his actions. His fans may want to blame Bakhtiyar entirely, but that ignores the fact that Ammar, as an adult, knew the consequences of his decisions.

On the other hand, Nashwa, despite growing up in the same toxic household—losing her father and living under the mercy of her uncle—didn’t spiral into crime. She faced hardships yet managed to become a lawyer on her own. Her journey, though marked by mistakes and frustrations, reflects her resilience and growth. Nashwa is human, not perfect, but her ability to rise above her circumstances is commendable.

I think there are gender and cultural differences between Ammar and Nashwa. Nature wise, mostly, girls are understanding and boys tend to deviate. And then culturally, boys deeds are taken lightly compared to girls. So girls are a bit conscious when they grow up in those cultures. Here, the comparison between Ammar and Nashwa is a bit unfair.

Originally posted by: nightingale1234

Though,I agree with your point I think personal responsibility plays a crucial role. Not everyone raised in a toxic household ends up becoming a criminal. Ultimately, it’s up to the individual to decide who they want to become. The choices Ammar made and the path he took are his alone, and he is entirely accountable for them.

Ammar and Nashwa’s contrasting paths highlight the complexity of upbringing and personal responsibility. Ammar, who had every luxury and support, was spoiled by his parents, especially his father, who often tried to cover up his wrongdoings. The comparison to others, like Nashwa and Burhan, was a constant part of his life. While it's true that comparisons are inevitable in every child's life —whether with siblings or cousins—it doesn’t mean that every child who faces this becomes unhinged or criminal. Ammar’s choices were his own, and while Bakhtiyar’s failure to discipline him played a role, Ammar is ultimately responsible for his actions. His fans may want to blame Bakhtiyar entirely, but that ignores the fact that Ammar, as an adult, knew the consequences of his decisions.

On the other hand, Nashwa, despite growing up in the same toxic household—losing her father and living under the mercy of her uncle—didn’t spiral into crime. She faced hardships yet managed to become a lawyer on her own. Her journey, though marked by mistakes and frustrations, reflects her resilience and growth. Nashwa is human, not perfect, but her ability to rise above her circumstances is commendable.

I agree, not everyone who grows up in a toxic environment becomes a criminal. And I am not convinced with anger issues of Ammar. Because, like I said before, there were not enough scenes for me to get convinced that he has anger issues.
And if we take Maheen's case, it was a preplanned thing. Like he didn't do anything out of anger there. I don't know how much he was involved but whatever we got to know from that we can say that there was his involvement.

Originally posted by: pressu

I agree, not everyone who grows up in a toxic environment becomes a criminal. And I am not convinced with anger issues of Ammar. Because, like I said before, there were not enough scenes for me to get convinced that he has anger issues.
And if we take Maheen's case, it was a preplanned thing. Like he didn't do anything out of anger there. I don't know how much he was involved but whatever we got to know from that we can say that there was his involvement.

After Maheen comes to Barket villa, Bakthayar beats Ammar then we see a breakdown scene of him outside and the next scene is his truck hitting Mahin. It didn't seem like preplanned to me.

Originally posted by: blahblah131

After Maheen comes to Barket villa, Bakthayar beats Ammar then we see a breakdown scene of him outside and the next scene is his truck hitting Mahin. It didn't seem like preplanned to me.

I was talking about him spiking her drink.

Originally posted by: nightingale1234

Though,I agree with your point I think personal responsibility plays a crucial role. Not everyone raised in a toxic household ends up becoming a criminal. Ultimately, it’s up to the individual to decide who they want to become. The choices Ammar made and the path he took are his alone, and he is entirely accountable for them.

Ammar and Nashwa’s contrasting paths highlight the complexity of upbringing and personal responsibility. Ammar, who had every luxury and support, was spoiled by his parents, especially his father, who often tried to cover up his wrongdoings. The comparison to others, like Nashwa and Burhan, was a constant part of his life. While it's true that comparisons are inevitable in every child's life —whether with siblings or cousins—it doesn’t mean that every child who faces this becomes unhinged or criminal. Ammar’s choices were his own, and while Bakhtiyar’s failure to discipline him played a role, Ammar is ultimately responsible for his actions. His fans may want to blame Bakhtiyar entirely, but that ignores the fact that Ammar, as an adult, knew the consequences of his decisions.

On the other hand, Nashwa, despite growing up in the same toxic household—losing her father and living under the mercy of her uncle—didn’t spiral into crime. She faced hardships yet managed to become a lawyer on her own. Her journey, though marked by mistakes and frustrations, reflects her resilience and growth. Nashwa is human, not perfect, but her ability to rise above her circumstances is commendable.

I wanted to ignore coming here. But can't help myself but express my opinion on this topic since dramas and movies have huge influence on people. The narrative that ammar became criminal because of his family is something I do not agree with it.

I don't know how many of you aware of Tamil movie goat staring actor vijay. In that movie they perfectly show how hero's son becomes a phycho due to bad upbringing.

Villian kidnaps hero's 5 year old son and torture him. He made that kid beg, face every physical and mental torture. The villian then saved that kid by acting as his saviour. He brainwashed him by making him think he is the godfather to him. He brainwashed that kid against his real father. That kid belives him and does everything he says. He turns out a murderer at the age of 25. He kills his father's friend's father, his father's friend. Tried to kill his father and own sister too. Still the hero character doesn't sympathise with him. Because no matter the reason, he is a murderer who killed innocent people. So he needed to die.

In such instances I agree that the surroundings and upbringing shaped a person.

Now let's compare it to ammar situation. He was raja beta of the house. Got every luxury. Ladla of his mother and dadi. Yes his father compares him with others, beats him. But did ammar had no other choice? Did his father forced him to be a drug addict and rapist. We are supposed to think he seeks his father validation. Then why he didn't try to do it by trying to be a person his father wanted. A man who works, who doesn't do drugs, who don't waste time by spending time with his other rapist friends. Ammar literally does nothing protective. All he does is taking drugs, raping woman. His father had to clean his mess everytime. His father saved him from going to jail, tried to get him decent women like faryal. What did he do. Did he not have the choice of choosing good friends outside.

I understand writer's point that she wants to say upbringing shapes a person. True. But I don't see it in ammar's case. He had the choice of choosing good path. His dad's comparisons & beatings made him a rapist and cold blooded murderer? Not enough reason. Especially when he got beatings most of the time for reasons like rape, no job, wasting time with useless friends.

Having said that bakthiyar is a disgusting person. He is not a good father. But if we are supposed to think ammar became criminal due to his father then we have to think bakthiyar also became disgusting person because of his mysogynistic mother. If we keep thinking like this, even dadi has her reasons for turning out to be such evil woman.