Qarz E Jaan (HUM) #4 - Usama, Nameer, Yumna | DT.N. Pg 136 - Page 92

Idk if you guys saw the interview the writer did with Mahwash Ejaz but she spoke about realistic endings for negative characters. About them being trapped in their own punishment without it being an overt punishment. I really like this take. I’m not a fan of just killing off negative characters, making them go crazy etc. something that’s a huge BANG!

Those are cop outs for me. When you can’t do justice to a villain. Many times the emptiness and remorse is a villains punishment. In bakhtiyar and barkat’s case it might even be duniya main badnaami. You know? Or even something as simple as them realising the generational trauma has been broken and won’t continue.

Sometimes symbolism is enough

Originally posted by: Stormborn01

Because given Ammar’s arc, just like Sidra has found a voice, he might find his too, you know? I honestly think it’s gonna be something related to his dad. Somehow shocking the audience.

As long as he ends up in jail, I will not consider that whitewashing. He’s gonna a do a lot coming up that’s gonna make me hate his guts. First Maheen and now Nashwa. At the very least I know mental torture and power play are coming up. Which will make us feel even more for Nashwa’s situation.

I can't help but imagine the overwhelming guilt Asim and Bisma will experience. It will be painfully clear that, in order to free Bisma from her shackles, Nashwa sacrificed herself. Bisma will likely never be able to forgive herself for what happened, knowing the cost of her freedom was Nashwa’s personal suffering. The weight of that realization will likely haunt her, knowing that Nashwa threw herself into such a situation just to give her a chance at escape.

Originally posted by: nightingale1234

I can't help but imagine the overwhelming guilt Asim and Bisma will experience. It will be painfully clear that, in order to free Bisma from her shackles, Nashwa sacrificed herself. Bisma will likely never be able to forgive herself for what happened, knowing the cost of her freedom was Nashwa’s personal suffering. The weight of that realization will likely haunt her, knowing that Nashwa threw herself into such a situation just to give her a chance at escape.

But it’s also this very parallel between mother and daughter which makes the story unique and so so heart wrenching. Idk I feel so close to these characters now that I feel some kind of personal pain lol. BUT the good thing is that Nashwa WILL come out on top in the end. So the hope is there and I’m excited.

Originally posted by: Stormborn01

Idk if you guys saw the interview the writer did with Mahwash Ejaz but she spoke about realistic endings for negative characters. About them being trapped in their own punishment without it being an overt punishment. I really like this take. I’m not a fan of just killing off negative characters, making them go crazy etc. something that’s a huge BANG!

Those are cop outs for me. When you can’t do justice to a villain. Many times the emptiness and remorse is a villains punishment. In bakhtiyar and barkat’s case it might even be duniya main badnaami. You know? Or even something as simple as them realising the generational trauma has been broken and won’t continue.

Sometimes symbolism is enough

For Ammar, the aftermath will be filled with remorse and emptiness. He’ll likely realize, too late, that he’s fallen in love with Nashwa, only to come to terms with the harsh truth that she will never love him back. That realization will weigh heavily on him.

As for Bakhtiyar and Barkhat, their biggest punishment will be losing the "apple of their eye," Ammar, along with their public reputation. Their pride and status will crumble as the truth unfolds, and they’ll have to face the consequences of their actions, not just in the family but in the eyes of society as well.

Originally posted by: Stormborn01

Crying for Ammar doesn’t mean he’s innocent. He’s not. That much was clear from Nameer’s interview. I think it implies he might sacrifice in some way, perhaps even die. Magar punish zaroor hoga.

I don’t see any scenario where Ammar and Nashwa’s wedding will not dissolve in some manner. Nashwa’s journey NOT being Bisma has to end as well and it can’t end without her breaking out of this marriage. On her own terms.

Look at the story so far. How all female characters have been given such dignity and grace by the writer. There is no toxicity for the sake of toxicity and what is there is moving the plot along. So I have faith in the treatment of this arc. So far the show has not disappointed me. Everything has been done really convincingly.

Are you convinced with the story of how Nashwa has surrendered herself to Bakhtiyar and agreed to marry a criminal just to get Bisma married. Didn't she find any other way. Can a lawyer be so vulnerable. Why did she need permission of Dadi and Bakhtiyar to get Asim and Bisma married? Why did she agree for a secret Marriage with Ammar? Why did she give up on her inheritance? She could have easily spoken to Burhan and taken some advice or help from him. How does she think bisma can live happily thinking Nashwa is in that house.

And if at all Bakhtiyar has blackmailed her about Bisma life, then how does she go against them in the upcoming episodes? Won't asim and bisma be under threat even then? At that time Bakhtiyar will be more revengefull

Or maybe we are all highly wrong. Nashwa may actually defend Ammar and Burhan will fight against Ammar. This makes more sense. Only then Ammar will fall in love with her . And if he redeems himself , Nashwa will be out of toxic relationship automatically. She may compromise and decide to adjust with Ammar. Bakhtiyar and Dado may also learn their lessons from these court proceedings. I think Burhan may turn negative now and deliberately try to put Ammar in jail. One for revenge against Nashwa and 2nd with Bakhtiyar.

Otherwise I really don't find any logic behind Burhan defending Ammar.

Actually I don't find logic in Nashwa marrying a criminal too.

Also why would audiences cry for Ammar character if he is not innocent. No body cries for criminal

Originally posted by: pilot100

Are you convinced with the story of how Nashwa has surrendered herself to Bakhtiyar and agreed to marry a criminal just to get Bisma married.

Yep, the way it was set up with her making her own plan but then it getting crushed by Baray Abu was done well. Bakhtiyar is a villain to be reckoned with and there was no chance he was going to allow Bisma to run off into the sunset without paying a heavy price first. Nashwa was that price.

Yes we can sit all day and argue what normal people or you and I would do in such circumstances but this story is also about generational trauma which both Nashwa and Bisma are a part of. More than physical shackles it’s the psychological ones which bind Bisma to this place. As an adult she can leave whenever she wants but emotionally and psychologically she is tied to this place. It’s decades of conditioning. Even now she doesn’t marry Asim for herself or her happiness or even a means of an escape. She’s manipulated into marrying him by her daughter by presenting this marriage as a hope for Nashwa and her future. It’s only by putting herself at stake that Nashwa is able to convince her mom.

She just really underestimated her Baray Abu and how far he would be willing to go to keep Bisma. Woh reality check mil gya hai ussay. The threats, the blackmail, when it’s her mother at the other end? Yes it’s completely believable she chose to rescue her mother and willingly paid the price. The lawyer thing will come into play now when the case opens up. Let’s see how she deals with it.

I usually watch stories without trying to impose my own morals on the characters. Especially in a story like Qarz e Jaan where every single character is so deeply flawed. Strong at times but also weak. But realistic. Instead of worrying about what they “should” do I am more interested in “how” each layer is opening up. It’s fascinating to see.

I also feel people give Nashwa too much credit just because she’s the heroine. She a very flawed one who gets overestimated. While Bakhtiyar gets underestimated. It’s the opposite for me. That dude gives me the chills. He’s capable of anything.

Originally posted by: nightingale1234

For Ammar, the aftermath will be filled with remorse and emptiness. He’ll likely realize, too late, that he’s fallen in love with Nashwa, only to come to terms with the harsh truth that she will never love him back. That realization will weigh heavily on him.

As for Bakhtiyar and Barkhat, their biggest punishment will be losing the "apple of their eye," Ammar, along with their public reputation. Their pride and status will crumble as the truth unfolds, and they’ll have to face the consequences of their actions, not just in the family but in the eyes of society as well.

Agree about Bakhtiyar and Barkat. Still unsure about the love angle from Ammar. I feel the dynamic with Nashwa is going to be a toxic and controlling one for the most part. Let’s see

Originally posted by: pilot100

If as per the writer, Nashwa will not become 2nd Bisma and if the audience is going to cry for Ammar in the end, then I believe Ammar is innocent. And if he is innocent, then Nashwa and Ammar will live together and carry forward with their marriage.

I really don't understand, if Nashwa has been blackmailed by Bakhtiyar and totally surrendered to her fate, then how did she muster the courage to go against him to fight against Ammar. Don't BAKHTIYAR blackmaile her again. At that time won't she be worried about Bisma and Asim life.

The writer is grounded. We will still not know till the very end as it was never published as a novel beforehand

Ammar will be innocent but still an enabler. Maybe the court will give enabler a short jail time. Which is sad given it all happened because of him. Maybe this is what Nameer meant by some people will not be okay with it. I feel most will not be okay with such a thing. At the point the story just fails?

Him in love with Nashwa means nothing as Nashwa likes or loves someone else. Him even confessing or helping her now makes no difference. That's no redemption.

Maybe writer will not acknowledge the enabling?

But Nashwa will be set free through divorce or death of Ammar. She will have a great career

Burhan and her will reunite right away or after few years. I think an open ending with a strong hint towards getting back after a few years.

Then the end.

All the characters were interesting. A nice "social" take on women, rights, and society. Only sad that crime was shown as a plot drive and not given enough time. I wish course cases happened before Bisma's marriage. The gap is too long. It's been many episodes since episode 4.

Originally posted by: Stormborn01

Yep, the way it was set up with her making her own plan but then it getting crushed by Baray Abu was done well. Bakhtiyar is a villain to be reckoned with and there was no chance he was going to allow Bisma to run off into the sunset without paying a heavy price first. Nashwa was that price.

Yes we can sit all day and argue what normal people or you and I would do in such circumstances but this story is also about generational trauma which both Nashwa and Bisma are a part of. More than physical shackles it’s the psychological ones which bind Bisma to this place. As an adult she can leave whenever she wants but emotionally and psychologically she is tied to this place. It’s decades of conditioning. Even now she doesn’t marry Asim for herself or her happiness or even a means of an escape. She’s manipulated into marrying him by her daughter by presenting this marriage as a hope for Nashwa and her future. It’s only by putting herself at stake that Nashwa is able to convince her mom.

She just really underestimated her Baray Abu and how far he would be willing to go to keep Bisma. Woh reality check mil gya hai ussay. The threats, the blackmail, when it’s her mother at the other end? Yes it’s completely believable she chose to rescue her mother and willingly paid the price. The lawyer thing will come into play now when the case opens up. Let’s see how she deals with it.

I usually watch stories without trying to impose my own morals on the characters. Especially in a story like Qarz e Jaan where every single character is so deeply flawed. Strong at times but also weak. But realistic. Instead of worrying about what they “should” do I am more interested in “how” each layer is opening up. It’s fascinating to see.

I also feel people give Nashwa too much credit just because she’s the heroine. She a very flawed one who gets overestimated. While Bakhtiyar gets underestimated. It’s the opposite for me. That dude gives me the chills. He’s capable of anything.

That's what I don't understand, why is Bisma emotionally and psychologically still binded with that house. She clearly hates them too. And I don't think Nashwa is emotionally or psychologically attached to this house either. She could have thought more rationally, taken someone advice or help, bur not taken such a huge decision on her own