Jhanak Written Update And Episode Discussion thread No 91. - Page 68

Originally posted by: swahili07

Bold: Exactly! People think ki pehli nazar me ml fl ke beech gehra pyaar ho jaata hai. His love for Jhanak during that aag track was still pretty raw. At that stage he would have definitely preferred Arshi(with whom he was in a 7 year relationship) over someone whom he had met not that long ago. Agar aag track me Jhanak ke piche bhaagta toh audience hi kehti " Chhi! Yeh kaisa spineless character hai jo apni beemar girlfriend ke bajaay apne new lover pe dhyan de Raha hai".

Might I also add.. viewers must be honest in their reactions to what the narrative has shown about both characters so far..

At what stage have they shown a love story between Ani and Arshi? Never… it was alluded to and Ani was at times using that as a crutch when fighting his affection for J etc but at no stage did the narrative present the depth of his love for Arshi. Even J was very sure of his love for her (J) right to the night of the engagement.. and she was right throughout…

Originally posted by: PPak

Dibya J was pushing Ani to be with Arshi. She can only ask why did you lie to me there was no relationship - which she did. Ani said he was not in his hosh and that is the exact thing that happened to J when she came with pregnancy. What J should have done is ask him to take responsibility for didi and still married him bcos at the time she thought he was going to die. She in anger told him to get married and left. Ani could have given himself a couple of days to think through if he really wanted to marry Arshi or just support the baby. Ani as always when Arshi is concerned feels the need to do right by her and willingly and immediately agreed for wedding. When J finds out Ani lied to her without knowing the convenient reason they gave him; it is right for her to feel distrust for Ani and leave. Ani letting her leave and marrying Arshi shows his priority. His child and Arshi's reputation is more important for him than threat to J's life. Now if we can all move on for a bit and explore Ani developing a brain and figuring Arshi's manipulation out and also J growing up and not appearing like a certified idiot and getting herself independent that would be good. Def dont want to see Ani rushing to J anymore. Let them focus on strengthening the leads first. This show has a very smail thread by which it can survive. Bring logic and positivity back in. If not its sure to sink.

Arshi is definitely his kamzori...no doubt about it...but not a romantic kamzori...it's his guilt ridden kamzori...that he fell for someone else despite being in a long committed relationship...when it comes to Arshi, his guilt takes over his reasoning just like when it's a matter related to J, his passion and territoriality take over his logic...after aag incident, if we look back, he willingly went ahead with Arshi thinking she is his destiny and he has been in love with her...he cannot get J...the monologues indicate that....jisse main pyar karta hun woh mujhe kabhi nahi mil sakti ab...hum ek dusre se dur rahe ussi me valai hai...I strongly believe he didn't intend to go for intimacy that night given Arshi's health condition...it was to make her comfortable and giving her assurance that he is there with her as her husband...fulshojja doesn't necessarily mean doing s*x...it's a ritual only...again if someone asks if the person in consideration is interested in fulsojja despite knowing he is in love with someone else, then this is definitely a call for engaging in s*x!

Ani could have progressed in this path as he had many opportunity to do so...he avoided hugs from Arshi for the longest time..

...coming to recent events, no logical deduction can be made for J as well as Ani...simply to keep Arshi in between them, makers have hurriedly shown MU between Runak, followed by Anishit wedding...

...Regarding future tracks, I don't care honestly...I want the show to end asap...they will never give a respectful relationship between Runak...Arshi is their priority...it's good that trp audience retaliated...

Originally posted by: sanfan

Might I also add.. viewers must be honest in their reactions to what the narrative has shown about both characters so far..

At what stage have they shown a love story between Ani and Arshi? Never… it was alluded to and Ani was at times using that as a crutch when fighting his affection for J etc but at no stage did the narrative present the depth of his love for Arshi. Even J was very sure of his love for her (J) right to the night of the engagement.. and she was right throughout…

This narrative is built only on the claims of evil gang talking about it....and Srishti has flipped many times between initially claiming Ani doesn't love Arshi and off late while trying to pump up her beti to go rape the guy and get pregnant by him - then Srishti has been claiming ki ek waqt tha jab Ani bahut pyar karta tha Arshi se....lol all of this narrative has been propped up more each time they want to justify Arshi forcing herself back into Ani's house and life.

First Ani is pressurized from all sides and eventually he stops Arshi from leaving so that one scene is used as basis for claiming that Ani stopped Arshi cuz he loves her, cuz he loves both women blah blah

We have never been shown any actual evidence of love or affection between Anishi....just Ani ke PERFORMANCE scenes when he was in his confused zone about his feelings for Jhanak.....still we are expected to take makers ka word for it now when all we have been shown are scenes of Ani constantly roasting Arshi or them having arguments about Jhanak....lol

Arshi for 200 episodes claimed she was only focused on her career....then randomly started claiming she wants to start a family with Ani....lol out of the blue narrative for expediency but people are buying into Leena's game so easily

Originally posted by: PPak

he would have if Arshi had pushed it. During their first pulshooja he was willing and he said that as well to her that he wwas willing then and also when she was leaving BH duringn J's death. He said you can love more than once and they can have a full life together. His arc was not done right then as well. Its his asking her to stay by promising hopes of a future that allowed for Arshi to be able to manipulate and violate him.

I never thought it was rape till Ani said he could not remember, because I thought a man cannot perform when he is not in his senses. But Ani has performed twice when he was not in his senses it seems - so maybe one can!!!

Actually a man can perform if not completely out of senses...in J's case, he was having fever, but not unconscious...in Arshi's case, if he didn't pass out he can perform ..but again...in both cases, Leena knew audience loves Ani...and she herself has shown Ani to be in love with J...so she had to resort to some harakiri to get her work done and still keep Ani clean...so this faltu angle of memory loss..

Originally posted by: Dibya_C

Arshi is definitely his kamzori...no doubt about it...but not a romantic kamzori...it's his guilt ridden kamzori...that he fell for someone else despite being in a long committed relationship...when it comes to Arshi, his guilt takes over his reasoning just like when it's a matter related to J, his passion and territoriality take over his logic...

THIS exactly. I wish people would understand this rather than playing into Leena's hands by giving credence to the cheap way she twists the dialogues to defame Ani's character.

Originally posted by: swahili07

If he didn't take the responsibility of the child then the same people would have called him out for abandoning his pregnant ex behind. Aap hi sabse pehle bolti ki "How can Jhanak trust someone who abandoned his pregnant ex lover?".Also u seem to defend Arshi a lot ki Ani ne usey license diya tha violate karne ke liye. Kya saare couples shuru din se sex karte hain. A lot of couples take their time. Imagine a girl asking for time in a relationship but the boy intoxicates her to have sex . Doesn't that sound disgusting.Marital rape is also a concept btw.

I partially agree with what you have said. If Ani had just once or twice asked Arshi to stay with him, it is one thing.

From day one of the show, Ani has stopped no begged Arshi to not leave him and be with him. I should go back and count the number of times he has begged her to not leave him. On a guess maybe 12- 15 times. Each time Arshi stayed behind. I get that Arshi did commit a crime with violating Ani against his will. 100% agree. But there are also concepts like mental harrasment and aggrravation where a person can be led to commit a crime. Now it can be argued Arshi was lying when she threatened to leave so many times. But looking at what the story is telling us Ani begs her time and again to not leave him. That combined with Bipasha Shristi and Tanuja's goading Arshi could believe Ani is being brainwashed by J and she needs to stay to save him. Given J is dead, she stupidly believes that once Ani sleeps with her he will forget J. If you remember Ani he does tell Arshi don't leave, I need you to stay and a person can love again and we can have a kushaal life.

Whether you like it or now, Ani has been instrumental in creating the whole mess and sustaining it for so long. If you think Arshi is black and Ani and J are mere victims, or Arshi is black J is stupid and Ani is victim - you are not seeing the story fairly from all sides.

Arshi clearly has a problem, she is stupid, mean spirited, vengeful, easily manipulated - but her problem has been aided fanned and encouraged by both Ani and J in different times and both together at times as well. When a child does something wrong parents set boundaries for them to correct them. Here Ani and J have both let Arshi push her boundaries until now she is out of control. When children misbehave we blame parents dont we, as not setting the right boundaries and indulging. Same logic here, Ani knows Arshi is capable of joining with her mother to harm J. When you encourage and embrace people who play unfair, foul play, you should not complain too much when you get it in return.

Similar logic is applied to J when she went with the lawyer and goons. You be stupid, you get repaid with dhoka. She did not use her brain and got kidnapped.

There are consequences for actions - stupid ones. You have a good heart and good intent and are sacrificial you don't get success. You get the tag of a nice person from the one person you are being nice to. Ani now has tag of 'fell in line' from BH and Arshi for his zimmedahri and correctly got dumped by his love whom he gave up on in favor of his pregnant with his baby now wife.

See both sides equally - there is no black and white in this story. All are grey with varying shades. No one has a close to perfect card. So why is everyone excusing one person.

I usually pick up on Ani's faults more because the forum focusses on J's and Arshi's more.

Originally posted by: PPak

he would have if Arshi had pushed it. During their first pulshooja he was willing and he said that as well to her that he wwas willing then and also when she was leaving BH duringn J's death. He said you can love more than once and they can have a full life together. His arc was not done right then as well. Its his asking her to stay by promising hopes of a future that allowed for Arshi to be able to manipulate and violate him.

I never thought it was rape till Ani said he could not remember, because I thought a man cannot perform when he is not in his senses. But Ani has performed twice when he was not in his senses it seems - so maybe one can!!!

I forgot to add, of course I wanted him to take responsibility for the child. But could have well taken the responsibility of child without marrying Arshi. He did not need to marry her. No one put a un to his head to do so.

Are you saying he was forced to marry Arshi and no way out? How so?

Originally posted by: Dibya_C

Arshi is definitely his kamzori...no doubt about it...but not a romantic kamzori...it's his guilt ridden kamzori...that he fell for someone else despite being in a long committed relationship...when it comes to Arshi, his guilt takes over his reasoning just like when it's a matter related to J, his passion and territoriality take over his logic...after aag incident, if we look back, he willingly went ahead with Arshi thinking she is his destiny and he has been in love with her...he cannot get J...the monologues indicate that....jisse main pyar karta hun woh mujhe kabhi nahi mil sakti ab...hum ek dusre se dur rahe ussi me valai hai...I strongly believe he didn't intend to go for intimacy that night given Arshi's health condition...it was to make her comfortable and giving her assurance that he is there with her as her husband...fulshojja doesn't necessarily mean doing s*x...it's a ritual only...again if someone asks if the person in consideration is interested in fulsojja despite knowing he is in love with someone else, then this is definitely a call for engaging in s*x!

Ani could have progressed in this path as he had many opportunity to do so...he avoided hugs from Arshi for the longest time..

...coming to recent events, no logical deduction can be made for J as well as Ani...simply to keep Arshi in between them, makers have hurriedly shown MU between Runak, followed by Anishit wedding...

...Regarding future tracks, I don't care honestly...I want the show to end asap...they will never give a respectful relationship between Runak...Arshi is their priority...it's good that trp audience retaliated...

100% Dibya - fully agree with everything you have said. Arshi for him is not romantic, but a zimmedhari. He does feel guilt and for him zimmedhari is over love - as he proved with the wedding.

Ani's problem is he cannot understand that it is zimmedhari for him first and let his love go. He acts like he wants both.

J is not not a battle of love vs zimmedhari. Its a story of a man who wants both love and zimmedhari and cannot understand that he cannot have both without spoiling both. Leena is clearly bringing this out again and again.

Arshi and J seem to be ok to moving ahead. From the story it seems its Ani or destiny or planning that brings both back at diff times. And Ani can never decide which one he wants and which one he has to give up on OR when he does and picks zimmedhari, he can never let remain that way because destiny intervenes.

Originally posted by: Dibya_C

Actually a man can perform if not completely out of senses...in J's case, he was having fever, but not unconscious...in Arshi's case, if he didn't pass out he can perform ..but again...in both cases, Leena knew audience loves Ani...and she herself has shown Ani to be in love with J...so she had to resort to some harakiri to get her work done and still keep Ani clean...so this faltu angle of memory loss..

Technical question - If a man can perform i.e is in his senses and there was no lie told or physical force applied, but a lot of verbal manipulation done, is it considered rape? If it is rape then I will refer to it as such. i am not certain where the line is drawn legally.

I 100% agree Arshi violated Ani because she knew he loved J yet she chipkofyed to him, but are we saying we give clean chit to Ani and it is rape - when Ani went through with it with while Arshi was making it clear she was Arshi? Arshi did not tell him she was J. She said he could reach J through her. While she was clearly persuading Ani to have sex she was not lying.

Few months ago in one episode the dadi of Anirudh said her husband and she built the house it is all their savings now I just read an article stating that Anirudh father has cheated Lalon father and took their house and money.🤷‍♀️ 🙄🙄