BOI- Industry Can’t Ignore Gadar 2 Like Gadar 1 - Page 8

Originally posted by: pathaka

Yep he even said estrogen filled movies are bad for the box office and we need something with testosterone

Yes creativity ,experiment, production value jaaye bhaad me .

I am someone who recently saw Gadar 1 …when I was little my parents didn’t take me to it because it was rated A for violence and strong themes where it was screening …

Then I saw it recently …no there wasn’t anything anti muslim there ….but no I didn’t think it was a beautifully made film…it was a film made to appeal to the masses and it did (there is nothing wrong with that btw)

But a hero marrying a heroine to protect her during riots, father imprisoning his daughter from meeting the hero, and the hero fighting all odds to get her back…hero heroine being torn apart by external religious differences… is not something I hadn’t seen till then…I’d seen several 90s movies (Indian - Tamil where Kamal Hassan marries his wife to protect her from dying after riots with the British , Bombay which explores Hindu Muslim conflict in a married couple, their families and riots tearing them apart, border and major Saab and Hindustan ki kasam several other movies explored themes about the indo pakconflict )…it really wasn’t anything path breaking in terms of its content or execution as far a im concerned …it was well liked yes…and several 90s movies had done this too

What I didn’t experience before tho; was Indians fighting the British for independence , via a cricket match…and selling this to the masses …to me that is path breaking

Or 3 friends just going abt their lives in an urban city, talking like normal people with no punch lines or dialogues or raised voices …a screenplay that dosent really have twists and turns …just slice of life film abt friendship

I remember these films influencing generations after ….I don’t remember Gadar influencing generations of filmmakers after ….I only remember people recalling it was a massive/ monstrous hit

I am curious to know when you say something is made for the masses what do you mean? It's something I read everywhere. Does it mean low income, low IQ, low EQ, less sophisticated - what exactly?

You didn't like Gadar and that is absolutely fine. There's nothing that everyone would like. But to dismiss something that's liked by so many by calling them "mass" is what I don't understand. Especially when you hate the condescending attitude to supposedly classy cinema.

Nobody claims that Gadar's story is pathbreaking or unique. But the treatment and sensitivity is there. People cheer for Tara when he breaks that handpump but they also love how affectionately and sensitively he handles sakeena's trauma and are charmed by how innocent and unassuming Tara and Sakeena are. Movie is a visual medium and in the cinema hall, everything connects. I don't want to analyze why I like it, just that I liked it, loved it even. If that makes me mass then what can I do.

So some guys here think that DCH never had any cultural impact or an popularity. Hmm. Ok

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Imagine using BOI and the crap it's admin Harminder spout as some sort of fact speaker.

It's the very same site that wrote an entire article stating that the only reason why Aamir's movies worked in east Asia or China is because he looked like Chinese. 😆 BOI's love for Aamir is well known and well documented.

Originally posted by: pathaka

I am someone who recently saw Gadar 1 …when I was little my parents didn’t take me to it because it was rated A for violence and strong themes where it was screening …

Then I saw it recently …no there wasn’t anything anti muslim there ….but no I didn’t think it was a beautifully made film…it was a film made to appeal to the masses and it did (there is nothing wrong with that btw)

But a hero marrying a heroine to protect her during riots, father imprisoning his daughter from meeting the hero, and the hero fighting all odds to get her back…hero heroine being torn apart by external religious differences… is not something I hadn’t seen till then…I’d seen several 90s movies (Indian - Tamil where Kamal Hassan marries his wife to protect her from dying after riots with the British , Bombay which explores Hindu Muslim conflict in a married couple, their families and riots tearing them apart, border and major Saab and Hindustan ki kasam several other movies explored themes about the indo pakconflict )…it really wasn’t anything path breaking in terms of its content or execution as far a im concerned …it was well liked yes…and several 90s movies had done this too

What I didn’t experience before tho; was Indians fighting the British for independence , via a cricket match…and selling this to the masses …to me that is path breaking

Or 3 friends just going abt their lives in an urban city, talking like normal people with no punch lines or dialogues or raised voices …a screenplay that dosent really have twists and turns …just slice of life film abt friendship

I remember these films influencing generations after ….I don’t remember Gadar influencing generations of filmmakers after ….I only remember people recalling it was a massive/ monstrous hit

U r right in a way. There r some movies we relate to..they resonate with us.

But also

Have said quite a few times here. We watch Cinema for the larger than life experience. Honestly everyone at some point in life wishes they had super human power to cruise through difficult situations. That's why Marvel, DC sci fi movies do so well worldwide. We see stuff we wish we could do but know we can't. What we don't realize is that being a super human also can lead to life that can make for a movie story 😂🙃

Anyways such larger than life films r event films..It's a fantasy and such fantasy attracts masses.

IMO it's fine if certain kind of movies appeal to certain individuals or country as a whole. It's a choice. And one doesn't need to feel apologetic, inferior, superior or condescending according to their choices

Originally posted by: fantasyshowfan

I am curious to know when you say something is made for the masses what do you mean? It's something I read everywhere. Does it mean low income, low IQ, low EQ, less sophisticated - what exactly?

You didn't like Gadar and that is absolutely fine. There's nothing that everyone would like. But to dismiss something that's liked by so many by calling them "mass" is what I don't understand. Especially when you hate the condescending attitude to supposedly classy cinema.

Nobody claims that Gadar's story is pathbreaking or unique. But the treatment and sensitivity is there. People cheer for Tara when he breaks that handpump but they also love how affectionately and sensitively he handles sakeena's trauma and are charmed by how innocent and unassuming Tara and Sakeena are. Movie is a visual medium and in the cinema hall, everything connects. I don't want to analyze why I like it, just that I liked it, loved it even. If that makes me mass then what can I do.

Err no I never called any of it low brow or low iq…

Made for the masses as in, made in sync with popular sentiment…made with a story that easily resonates with many people …exploring themes that most people are familiar with …mostly using broad strokes storytelling which is a legit style of story telling …there is usually no room for experimentation here and that’s fine …

Villagers playing cricket to rebel against British sounds ridiculous on paper …it’s a huge experiment which is why it’s reception with all groups of people is questionable

Man falls in love and marries a woman of different religion during the partition and then fights with villain to bring wife and son back - familiar, and easily resonates with a universal group of audience …

FYI that is what “for the masses” means

Originally posted by: Kyahikahoon

U r right in a way. There r some movies we relate to..they resonate with us.

But also

Have said quite a few times here. We watch Cinema for the larger than life experience. Honestly everyone at some point in life wishes they had super human power to cruise through difficult situations. That's why Marvel, DC sci fi movies do so well worldwide. We see stuff we wish we could do but know we can't. What we don't realize is that being a super human also can lead to life that can make for a movie story 😂🙃

Anyways such larger than life films r event films..It's a fantasy and such fantasy attracts masses.

IMO it's fine if certain kind of movies appeal to certain individuals or country as a whole. It's a choice. And one doesn't need to feel apologetic, inferior, superior or condescending according to their choices

Yep agree with everything u said

My fav filmmaker is ss rajamouli who is known to be ott….but he does it well …he skilfully uses vfx, uses high points in the screenplay, uses songs and meticulously uses choreography …uses background score skilfully …designs insane action sequences …there is a lot of brains that go into his storytelling and I respect that

Even if his films are “physics” defying, he resonates across most audiences including intl…he’s a good story teller who also experiments with technique but keeps the core of the film massy …no wonder he is where he is

I didn’t find any such innovation with Gadar …it’s ott which isn’t a bad thing..there is just no wow to it imo in terms of technique …but to each his own

Originally posted by: pathaka

Yep agree with everything u said

My fav filmmaker is ss rajamouli who is known to be ott….but he does it well …he skilfully uses vfx, uses high points in the screenplay, uses songs and meticulously uses choreography …uses background score skilfully …designs insane action sequences …there is a lot of brains that go into his storytelling and I respect that

Even if his films are “physics” defying, he resonates across most audiences including intl…he’s a good story teller who also experiments with technique but keeps the core of the film massy …no wonder he is where he is

I didn’t find any such innovation with Gadar …it’s ott which isn’t a bad thing..there is just no wow to it imo in terms of technique …but to each his own

Some people find intelligence, intellectuality in innovations, technicalities n experiments and meticulousness...and some see it in the beauty of Simplicity.

Doesn't make one less intelligent than the other. Infact things that appear most complex r the simplest to execute while at times it's difficult to retain simplicity

Originally posted by: Kyahikahoon

Some people find intelligence, intellectuality in innovations, technicalities n experiments and meticulousness...and some see it in the beauty of Simplicity.

Doesn't make one less intelligent than the other. Infact things that appear most complex r the simplest to execute while at times it's difficult to retain simplicity

I never Gadar a debate abt someone’s intelligence…it’s preference …to each his own.
I need something more in a film to entertain me than what Gadar offered …u may not …

The article itself claimed Gadar was not praised as much as the other two films …maybe industry people praise and have respect for something that becomes a success by breaking new ground …

and when people said “what’s so ground breaking abt Lagaan and dch and not Gadar” I put forth my argument …