Member Topic: Do you support the queer community? - Page 8

Originally posted by: K.Universe.

You are trivializing holocaust and the atrocities committed by Nazis with these absurd statements just so you could demonize those members here who don’t quite share your radical leftist viewpoints. You and a few others here should refrain from using holocaust comparisons as fodder for political and social commentary even if you strongly believe that some people here are committing thoughtcrimes.

That said, you are exercising your free speech rights to enunciate what you want; the same rights should be accorded to others too.

Read about how many people died in the AIDS crisis. Read about how many people are killed and die of suicide due to hate and bullying. All of these people belong to the LGBTQ+ community. The numbers are much more than the holocaust. And Gay and Transgender people were one of the first victims of the holocaust.

Nobody is trivialising holocaust, we are simply telling you, both of these are on the same scale. In fact holocaust was limited to the German region, hate for the LGBTQ community is across the world.

Originally posted by: K.Universe.

You are trivializing holocaust and the atrocities committed by Nazis with these absurd statements just so you could demonize those members here who don’t quite share your radical leftist viewpoints. You and a few others here should refrain from using holocaust comparisons as fodder for political and social commentary even if you strongly believe that some people here are committing thoughtcrimes.

That said, you are exercising your free speech rights to enunciate what you want; the same rights should be accorded to others too.

I'm trivializing nothing. You're the one who is trivializing the impact of passive aggressive trans and homophobia in this thread and the way members ganged up against one member when she / he / they tried to argue with them.

So when I talk in favor of the marginalized community, I'm wrong and you're quick to deny me the rights of free speech that you bestow to other members . Freedom of speech is subjective as is evident !

All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others .

Anyways, please do your research before saying I'm trivializing holocaust. Jews were not the only marginalized community that Nazis targeted. They targeted LGBTQ people too and they used exactly the same reasoning as they used against Jews. So not only my comparison bang on, but it's found on solid historical facts.

I request you to look beyond your obvious bias and for once try to think with an open mind , if that is possible.

Plus , holocaust , as horrifying as it was , truly a blot on humanity, happened in the past. But LGBTQ people are suffering the same fate all across the world in today's date and every second we are talking , at least one of them is dying because they're denied of their rights of living.

Also, I'm shocked that talking of basic human rights for a group of fellow innocent human beings, is counted as radical leftist view.

You and a few others here should refrain from telling others to stop talking in favor of them based on bias alone.

1. Tragic as they are, hate crimes are NOT comparable to Holocaust. Nothing is!

2. You should find other ways to get your point across without invoking Holocaust.

3. You should stop comparing posters you disagree with to Nazis. That's preposterous!

4. It's amusing to know that some members think I have the power to curtail free speech on these boards.

Originally posted by: K.Universe.

Proof?

https://www.thetrevorproject.org/resources/article/facts-about-lgbtq-youth-suicide/

Even the most basic research would reveal the truth provided , of course , one is willing to know , because it's all over the net . No matter which source you look into or trust this is an irrefutable truth .

Originally posted by: K.Universe.

1. Tragic as they are, hate crimes are NOT comparable to Holocaust. Nothing is!

2. You should find other ways to get your point across without invoking Holocaust.

3. You should stop comparing posters you disagree with to Nazis. That's preposterous!

4. It's amusing to know that some members think I have the power to curtail free speech on these boards.

1. You seriously didn't said that ! 😬

2. Stop telling me what I should or shouldn't. You've no right to .

3. Again , stop telling me what I should or shouldn't. I've already explained my context but with your edge lord personality I realized I wasted my time on you. Logic simply doesn't work on some people.

4. Yeah , you're right. You can not. So just stop trying. ✋️

You said “every second we are talking , at least one of them is dying”. That makes it 86,400 a day and 31,536,000 a year. At least!

It’s not that I don’t know that you have no proof. Why exaggerate when the numbers by themselves, as they stand, are horrendous?

Originally posted by: K.Universe.

1. Tragic as they are, hate crimes are NOT comparable to Holocaust. Nothing is!

Survivors of the Nazi Holocaust and those who keep the victims' memory alive participate in the March of the Living and other awareness campaigns so that we never forget what human beings can do to each other. While these efforts aren't perfect, sometimes focussing on Jewish victims to the exclusion of LGBTQ+ and other minorities targeted by Nazis, their message is to watch out for scapegoating of minorities and genocide in progress anywhere in the world.

Whether the example is neglect of AIDS as if gay men deserved to die, or the incarceration and trafficking of refugee children in the U.S.A. in the name of "border security," or the disproportionate casualties of Black Americans in the COVID-19 pandemic, or efforts to eliminate life-saving gender-affirming care for transgender children by calling it "grooming," humans keep on proving our tendency to dehumanize, marginalize, and decimate each other.

The Nazi Holocaust wasn't a unique aberration. The systemic persecution of transgender individuals upto today is the same phenomenon as what ordinary German people through their democratically elected Nazi representatives allowed to happen to LGBTQ+ and other minorities.

You don't get to hijack the experiences of LGBTQ+ and other Nazi Holocaust victims to minimize what LGBTQ+ people still face today.

As one of the links in my earlier post informs you, there is clear overlap of hate speech and hate crimes against Jews, LGBTQ+, and other groups.

By the way, did you knowingly trivialize the word "thoughtcrime" from Orwell, or did you learn it from the FBI making fun of your threat to report a Canadian for writing about ancient India on Mumbai-based India Forums?

You may cram as many liberal talking points as possible in one post but the fact remains Germans targeted different groups (gays, political opponents, Roma and Sinti, Soviet and Polish civilians, POW) for different reasons. The term Holocaust however describes the Nazi extermination of Jews. It’s the default term reserved for the Nazi genocide of 6 million European Jews during World War II.

The Jerusalem center for public affairs states that:

“Holocaust trivialization is one among various categories of Holocaust distortion. It is a tool for some ideologically or politically motivated activists to metaphorically compare phenomena they oppose to the industrial-scale destruction of the Jews in World War II by Germans, Austrians, and their allies. Examples include environmental problems, abortion, the slaughter of animals, the use of tobacco, and human rights abuses.

Those abusing Holocaust comparisons for their ideological purposes want to exaggerate the evil nature of a phenomenon they condemn. With the Holocaust symbolizing absolute evil for many, they use it as an instrument for their purposes.”

To compare posts made on India Forums to Nazi ideology and invoke Holocaust in the same breath is deplorable. I can’t emphasize that enough!

Eh? You are a Canadian? Sorry to hear that. I understand not all of us are blessed! As for reporting, if I remember correctly, I said I don’t care if you report me to all the mods of these forums or even to the FBI. I don’t have to go out of my way to report people obsessed with kids in post after post. They will slip up sooner or later. Their brazenness will be their downfall.

I am not sure if this discussion is limited, or supposed to be limited, to only to the Q’s. People did bring up other categories.

If discussions on other categories are allowed, I would like to bring up the Otherkin category and discuss to what extent we should support this group and what rights of their members should be protected by the law.

To those who are unaware of the Otherkin:

Dictionary.com has Otherkin as a noun as a member of a community of people who believe or feel that their soul or essence is partly or fully something other than human, such as a mythological creature, fictional character, or animal.

As an adjective, it relates to the belief or feeling that one's soul or essence is partly or fully something other than human, such as believing one’s core identity to be a mythological creature, fictional character, or animal.

You may read up Otherkin on Wiki to gather more details.

I stand corrected. Some experts like Margaret Shane from the university of Alberta consider Otherkin as a subculture of queer community.

According to Margaret “alternative online niche communities are prone to ridicule, derision, and dismissal owing to the challenges they pose to prevailing onto-normativities, those ingrained modes of thought that dictate how we describe reality. Relying on the divergent approaches of classic SWOT analysis and post-structuralist philosophy and queer theory, this chapter explores how online connectivity shapes expressions of one niche community, the Otherkin. Otherkin are conceived as flows of desire, difference, and becoming rather than as a marginalized sub-culture occupying virtual space. As such, Otherkin are queering and destabilizing established norms in ways that call forth radically new ethics, aesthetics, ontologies, epistemologies, and social connections.”

I believe this is the right thread to discuss Otherkin.