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Originally posted by: Satrangi_Curls
nothing has been done about any of the posts I've reported a week ago.
Those posts are part of an ongoing debate. If you don't agree with them, then counter post, explaining your views. One can agree to disagree. Posts can not be removed, if they are reported, or not liked. Irrelevant posts may be removed. But reporting just to get topic closed, doesn't work here.
Avoid quoting or replying this post.
Please use pm service in future.
Originally posted by: Satrangi_Curls
I don't believe people's basic human rights is something debatable. We exist and we deserve to live with respect, without being oppressed, abused and killed.
Sure! Nothing more basic or fundamental than the right to speak/express. No one is getting oppressed or killed on these forums; if anyone is getting abused, mods will take care of it.
Originally posted by: BrhannadaArmour
Why do opposite-sex couples get married and divorced? Why do they bring innocent kids into such potentially unstable relationships, sometimes even resorting to surrogacy and adoption to fulfil their urges to create a family?
Why do same-sex and non-binary couples in unhappy marriages stay together for the sake of the kids? Do they know what happens to a child's psyche in a loveless household of compromise?
Why does the legal right to marry come with the legal right to divorce? What use is individual freedom when bystanders might not approve of what you do at every point in your life?
Why does anyone try to live when life is unpredictable? Why try to make someone else's life better with sex, love, commitment, nurture, parenting, or letting go, when someday you might reach a different stage of life with different priorities?
What a relief that no woman is ever raped by her husband! We would have to outlaw opposite-sex marriage just to feel safe, whenever we finish outlawing penises in the individual cubicles of ladies' public restrooms, where cis people go to urinate and defecate and trans people couldn't possibly want the same.
Why not force children to develop into adults with the wrong bodies - unwanted hair or breasts and wrong-sized bones and muscles? When they're finally allowed to transition, it will be like they never suffered throughout every day of puberty, right? There shouldn't be any lingering effects on self-esteem, especially when people point and say that you look too ..... to be a real .....
Should counselling include listening to the patient and discussing scientific treatment options? Surely it's enough to say "No, you're not!" until the patient is old enough for "You're a grown-up, deal with it!" - and dismiss childhood trans identity as "mental illness" needing that kind of "counselling."
Should the law permit medical professionals to prioritize the needs of powerless children over the parents' right to interfere? Whose voice should prevail - the adult custodian of a body or the child who has to live with that body?
It's saddening to read this thread with so much ridicule for people's differences or mental health. If you don't understand a person's behaviour, it must be fake, attention-seeking, immoral ... whatever label justifies mockery. It's easy to relate to mockery and dismiss an entire minority class of people as undeserving of equal rights and freedoms.
It takes more conscious effort to admit that you don't understand someone else's life experience or behaviour, but treat that person with empathy anyway.
^^ This . This. This.
Originally posted by: K.Universe.
Maybe they believe in free speech. Maybe they are tired of your constant moaning and complaining. After all, one can cry wolf only so many times!
Instead of trying to get people silenced or canceled, maybe you should try to participate in a debate once in a while.
Debating in debate mansion. That’s a novel idea!
By debate , you mean blatant and ignorant hate against a marginalized community??
Would you say the same thing, if some member exercise " free speech " against some other minor groups that are not so minor I wonder .. 🤔
Alexa is this what they call hypocrisy?
Originally posted by: return_to_hades
I am curious why some people have an obsession with the heteronormative concept of marriage. This is a general question and not addressed to you or anyone in particular.
People have been married to seal business deals and keep bloodlines pure. People have been married to ensure heirs to thrones and keep a tight hold on wealth. People can order a mail-order bride or have their parents fix them up with someone they will never see before a wedding. Why does this institution that has unfathomable corrupt and insidious uses evoke any sense of sanctity or purity?
Marriage is both a sociocultural and legal construct. People have their personal and religious notions about marriage. They will have marriage ceremonies that reflect their belief and faith. And yes, to some people marriage is the ultimate expression of love and commitment. But clearly, it means different to different people. So how can something that adapts to each couple be inadaptable to others.
Most importantly in most nations, the ceremonies, the vows, and the rituals are all meaningless without a piece of paper issued by courts. The USA and other nations had civil unions and domestic partnerships. But they were legally diluted substitutes for marriage. In most nations, full legal protections for a couple and their children (natural and adopted) are provided under marriage.
Gay and lesbian couples were fighting for equitable legal rights to protect their families. It just so happened that the legal rights fell under the marriage tag. The pragmatic thing to do was to expand the marriage tag, just as it had been done in the 60s to include interracial couples.
Let's say instead of gay marriage, LGBTQ+ couples had a separate institution called "Bob." First, they have to go through the whole legal process of establishing a second institution, "Bob" that has all the rights of marriage. But in addition, now they have to address - what if heterosexual couples want to apply for Bob? Then tax forms, passport and visa forms, school admission forms, and all sorts of forms across industries and sectors have to be updated to include Bob next to marriage. Now there is the matter of international affairs. We have to convince other nations that Bob is a clone of marriage and that our Bobbed citizens should get the same rights as married citizens abroad. And what if USA makes Bob and Canada makes Goose and UK makes Pringles and Australia makes Roos - how are we to keep the Bobs and Gooses and Pringles and Roos straight. If one is married in USA they are married in Canada. Now a person who is Bobbed in USA has to get Goosed in Canada. And if they move to UK they will get Pringled.
So gay marriage may create controversy for the naysayers. But in the grand scheme of things it is a pragmatic solution. The alternates are impractical and expensive and confusing.
If it looks like a marriage, talks like a marriage, acts like a marriage, it is a marriage. Besides, Bob would be some weird Jim Crow - separate but equal shit as well. It would give the opportunity for all kinds of places to have Bobbed vs married sections and entrances - as long as they are equal they can be separated right?
^^ Excellent points raised. 👏
Do I support queer community = Do I support basic human rights
Duh, the answer is obviously yes. And I'm strongly judging those who says no . Because it reminds me of Hitler' Germany and the horror that happened to Jews as the privileged German folks looked on passively and even took part in inflicting the horror. They all had the same "argument" , "facts" , "logic" , "freedom of speech" ... that Jews are abnormal, abomination, "life without life " , freaks of nature , impure etc etc.
Human nature to hunt and inflict pain on those who are the weakest and have the least right .
Originally posted by: DanmeiLover
By debate , you mean blatant and ignorant hate against a marginalized community??
Would you say the same thing, if some member exercise " free speech " against some other minor groups that are not so minor I wonder .. 🤔
Barring obvious cases where members are hurling abuses at one another, individuals should be allowed to express themselves without moderator interference and if mods do decide to interfere and attempt to regulate/edit content, they should provide substantial justification. This, you would agree, is not an unreasonable expectation.
If you feel someone is ignorant, no better panacea than a robust debate.
Depending on the country, some forms of speech such as obscenity, child po*nography, threats etc., is unprotected. I admit I haven't read each and every page of this or other threads but if you found unprotected free speech, you are free to report.
"Hate speech" is subjective. I understand how some speech can incite people in some religious contexts but I also understand it can very easily be misused to silence people. It is for the law to define what constitutes as "hate". As far as I know, there is no legal definition for it.
There is equivalence, not mere similarity, between Nazi ideology and anti-LGBTQ+ "debate" on India Forums. The Nazi holocaust of thousands of LGBTQ+ people was fuelled by this same manufactured outrage against "anti-social" self-expression.
https://www.dw.com/en/lgbtq-people-germanys-long-forgotten-victims-of-the-nazis/a-64533968
Nazis convinced ordinary people that a pure race of cisgender, heterosexual children was possible if everyone did his/her part to report and erase LGBTQ+ non-conformity. "Let kids be [cisgender] kids" - as if kids in need of gender-affirming health care don't exist without visible role models - and similar carefully phrased concerns about "grooming" and "pedophiles" and "surgery" are nothing new.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/antisemitism-transphobia-lgbtq-hate-1.6729223
Even after I pointed out that her own cited video reference explained how Darwin's idea of "survival of the fit" got misquoted as the fascist slogan "survival of the fittest," a certain member insisted on using this slogan and spoke against same-sex and non-binary couples' equal access to assisted reproduction. Eugenics is harmful pseudoscience, but conceptually simple enough for those who are threatened by the real world's beautiful diversity.
The question shouldn't be "Do you support [the fact that] the queer community [exists]?" It should be "How can equal rights and freedoms be made a reality?"
Originally posted by: BrhannadaArmour
There is equivalence, not mere similarity, between Nazi ideology and anti-LGBTQ+ "debate" on India Forums. The Nazi holocaust of thousands of LGBTQ+ people was fuelled by this same manufactured outrage against "anti-social" self-expression.
https://www.dw.com/en/lgbtq-people-germanys-long-forgotten-victims-of-the-nazis/a-64533968
Nazis convinced ordinary people that a pure race of cisgender, heterosexual children was possible if everyone did his/her part to report and erase LGBTQ+ non-conformity. "Let kids be [cisgender] kids" - as if kids in need of gender-affirming health care don't exist without visible role models - and similar carefully phrased concerns about "grooming" and "pedophiles" and "surgery" are nothing new.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/antisemitism-transphobia-lgbtq-hate-1.6729223
Even after I pointed out that her own cited video reference explained how Darwin's idea of "survival of the fit" got misquoted as the fascist slogan "survival of the fittest," a certain member insisted on using this slogan and spoke against same-sex and non-binary couples' equal access to assisted reproduction. Eugenics is harmful pseudoscience, but conceptually simple enough for those who are threatened by the real world's beautiful diversity.
The question shouldn't be "Do you support [the fact that] the queer community [exists]?" It should be "How can equal rights and freedoms be made a reality?"
This.
Originally posted by: BrhannadaArmour
There is equivalence, not mere similarity, between Nazi ideology and anti-LGBTQ+ "debate" on India Forums. The Nazi holocaust of thousands of LGBTQ+ people was fuelled by this same manufactured outrage against "anti-social" self-expression.
You are trivializing holocaust and the atrocities committed by Nazis with these absurd statements just so you could demonize those members here who don’t quite share your radical leftist viewpoints. You and a few others here should refrain from using holocaust comparisons as fodder for political and social commentary even if you strongly believe that some people here are committing thoughtcrimes.
That said, you are exercising your free speech rights to enunciate what you want; the same rights should be accorded to others too.
